Speaking in tongues

[Tintin]

That's great Blain but don't forget to read the Bible regularly too. That's the most concrete way God speaks to his people.

You know in a way i think I already speak in tongues just not like most people. You see God and I already have a special secret language that no one else can hear or understand. Sometimes I just lie down and let that connection between god and i be made, it's in that moment our hearts speak to each other with deep feelings. I can tell what is on his heart and he can see what is on mine, i learn so much of who he is and what he desires by this language of the hearts.

You see just as we have eyes ears and mouths so do our hearts. our hearts can see the living god, our hearts can hear his voice much better than our other senses, and our hearts have mouths that speak without any voice or words. Our hearts reveal who we truly are and it's by our hearts we can see hear and speak to god better than our mouths or thoughts

 

[notconformed2theworld]

Well, in all seriousness... fun on these forums is secondary. Not saying it can't be had with serious topics, but it is primarily a serious forum.


1) It is most commonly faked because pentecostal churches pressure people into yelling gibberish as necessary for salvation. This is unfortunately rather common, and used to be the way a rather large portion of Pentecostalism approached the matter.
2) You are on dangerous ground when you preach "Gospel +"; when you add to the Gospel you are on dangerous ground. Speaking in tongues doesn't save you.




It's not in there the way you preach it. Speaking in tongues on the basis of scripture isn't gibberish. In Acts 2, it's a human language.


There's a reason why Pentecostalism never existed for 1800 years of Christian history.

1 Corinthians 14:2 KJV

For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

Note: no man understands him...its not gibberish...we just can't understand what the holy spirit is speaking thru that person unto God.
In acts 2 they spoke human languages to show that God was now working threw gentiles because the Jews did not receive Jesus as God's son.
Although speaking in tounges is not they way to salvation but having the holy ghost is.
Romans 8:9 ...now if any man have not the spirit of Christ, he is none of his

 

[kenisyes]

You know in a way i think I already speak in tongues just not like most people. You see God and I already have a special secret language that no one else can hear or understand. Sometimes I just lie down and let that connection between god and i be made, it's in that moment our hearts speak to each other with deep feelings. I can tell what is on his heart and he can see what is on mine, i learn so much of who he is and what he desires by this language of the hearts.

You see just as we have eyes ears and mouths so do our hearts. our hearts can see the living god, our hearts can hear his voice much better than our other senses, and our hearts have mouths that speak without any voice or words. Our hearts reveal who we truly are and it's by our hearts we can see hear and speak to god better than our mouths or thoughts

People have used that analogy for many years, and tongues means that too. But it also means the audible sounds.

 

[PilgrimUK]

Just wanted to say something about the gift of tongues in general, but only my opinions after reading about it.

I believe the gift of tongues IS for today, but only a potential evidence of salvation, yet the gift is unnecessary for salvation. To me, saying that the gift is necessary for salvation is adding to the message of Christ; it is believing in Him and faith of what He did for us on the cross that saves, it suggests that it wasn't enough and an external sign is a requirement.
How unwise of Christ never to mention something so required if it was!

Speaking in tongues as mentioned in the bible IS from God for those that are given the gift, but there is an equal opposing counterfeit "gift" for every one of Gods gifts, there has to be to lead people astray from truth, such as Prophecy Vs Horoscopes/Tarot Cards or Prayer to God Vs Communicating with/seeking advice from the dead or Putting faith in Christ Vs faith in yourself...etc...etc

just as a little side note; or probably the main point! ...

There seems to be a lot of "infighting" in that one person has the gift and not someone else, which seems to lead to boasting in some.
A gathering is the body of Christ. All members of that church should ideally walk as one.
If one part of the body hurts, all of it should hurt, if one part of that body has received the gift of tongues then all parts of the body should rejoice for all have received it because it is in the body, and because it is used to edify the other parts of the body.

 

[jinx]

You don't get tongues to have salvation. You get the HOLY GHOST to have salvation. Tongues is the initial evidence of that rebirth.
any yahoo can fake tongues. I have a church right down the road where I live and have heard stories about how when a person goes to the altar they hand out a pamphlet showing them how to talk in tongues, aka.... say this and that.
That is blasphemous! They are mocking the spirit when they do such things.

 

[Bookreader]

You don't get tongues to have salvation. You get the HOLY GHOST to have salvation. Tongues is the initial evidence of that rebirth.
any yahoo can fake tongues. I have a church right down the road where I live and have heard stories about how when a person goes to the altar they hand out a pamphlet showing them how to talk in tongues, aka.... say this and that.
That is blasphemous! They are mocking the spirit when they do such things.

I'll shorten that...

You don't get tongues.
They are mocking the spirit when they pretend they do.

Clearer - I think.

 

[JaumeJ]

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[jinx]

I'll shorten that...

You don't get tongues.
They are mocking the spirit when they pretend they do.

Clearer - I think.

you forgot the part of tongues being the initial evidence of the infilling of the HOLY SPIRIT

 

[jinx]

getting tongues when you get the HOLY SPIRIT is like buying a pair of shoes.....the tongues come with it

 

[zone]

He's tall he's scraggly, with a dirty ZZ-Top look to him.

a hippie? metal-head? someone suffering from mental illness?
an Iraq war veteran dazed and homeless?
how old is he?

hmmm...a dirty ZZ Top look.

ok...i'm getting a mental picture of an apparently crazy person judging by his appearance.
(is that what i'm supposed to do? judge him by his appearance? is he a caricature of something?
i am clearly supposed to have an emotive response to whatever it is the character is about to do)

is he dangerous?
what does being tall have to do with it?
define scraggly - does he have a beard?

is he a nice person?
did we talk to him at all?
maybe he's in need of food and shelter.

maybe he's a Christian.

He stands on the corner ranting about how cars died in '45, while they whiz by all around him.

oh i see. he's mentally unwell, and hasn't taken his medication.
we have lots of folks among us who suffer this way.

what does his delusion have to do with this: "He's tall he's scraggly, with a dirty ZZ-Top look to him."?

just for dramatic effect? to drive home a coming point?
let's see - dirty scary mentally unwell person clearly deluded.

got it......

His demise will be when he steps off the curb without looking and gets broadsided by something he doesn't believe exists, even as it swarms around him.

the poor guy.

i wish we cared for the mentally ill better than we do.
there are folks in institutions who claim to be Napoleon.
and some claim to have been abducted by aliens.
i suppose they're all a danger to themselves (and quite probably others, even indirectly)

i wonder if someone had previously convinced that unwell (or naive) dirty scary man that cars indeed existed, but no one could actually see them. they were special cars that only some people saw and drove...that man not being one of them.

maybe that's why he didn't recognize the real cars. he thought there was another kind of special invisible car.

now THAT would be crazy.

And BTW I risked rotting in a Columbian prison cell to smuggle money and medicine to the slum churches of Bogata

God bless you for that Ricky.

and it was a prayer language covering over the bags that made them the only two bags out of 2 dozen that were not opened and searched.

it was a prayer language that did that?
is that like an invisible car that the dirty ZZ Top guy couldn't see?

wouldn't it be God who arranges for the safe passage (sometimes) of missionary material and persons?

what's a 'prayer language covering'?

i know i'm probably like our friend the ZZ Top guy (though i never cared for that band; i don't have a beard; i am reasonably well groomed; i'm only 5'8" tall) in having doubts about the 'prayer language covering'....mainly because i can't see it - IN SCRIPTURE.

could you show it me in scripture?

 

[Abiding]

I met a famous russian once zone who smuggled bibles
and he prayed also. But his prayers were just prayers.
And those prayers got bible into russia.

But that was 35+years ago maybe prayers have been recalled
and new types are required. I never got the memo

 

[zone]

I met a famous russian once zone who smuggled bibles
and he prayed also. But his prayers were just prayers.
And those prayers got bible into russia.

But that was 35+years ago maybe prayers have been recalled
and new types are required. I never got the memo

why ANYONE would pray to the Creator LORD GOD Almighty not knowing what they are uttering is beyond me.

*shiver*

 

[Blain]

Honestly I was shocked when I read some of you say we do not receive or use tongues, I suppose the apostles really were drunk like the people thought? Oh and obviously that tongue of fire over their heads was probably just their imagination. what i hear a lot is how people say or think is that certain things they did back then do not apply today. such as healing, bringing back the dead or even walking on water. The lord never changes and he said we will do those things and even greater things.

If none of this is happening today who is it that changed? The truth is God is searching for such a person who has the faith to bring back the dead or walk on water. We are known as a generation of little faith, if you want to see proof of such things the only thing holding us back from it is us

 

[JaumeJ]

The beginning and the end of this instruction in the Epistles teaches that tongues is edifying for the soul of the gifted person. They should not be spoken loudly enough to interrupt any assembly of the Most High God unless there is someone else with the gift to interpret. This is teaching from the Word, not an opinion. It is a gift to worship God in a more personal manner.



1Co 14:3
But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

1Co 14:4
He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

1Co 14:5
I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

1Co 14:6
Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

1Co 14:7
And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?

1Co 14:8
For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

1Co 14:9
So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.

1Co 14:10
There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.

1Co 14:11
Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.

1Co 14:12
Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

1Co 14:13
Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

1Co 14:14
For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.


1Co 14:15
What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

 

[Bookreader]

Acts : ~30AD
Outpouring of the spirit of God because needed to start the church off and no writings of NT.
The people speaking in foreign languages didn't even know it. But the listeners heard their own languages.

New Testament written by inspiration of the spirit of God.

Today : 2013AD
Languages no longer needed to spread the gospel as Bible available.
People pretend to have God-given 'tongues' but are never real foreign languages.
Some churches insist one must have tongues or you're not really Christian. So people fake to fit in.

Big difference between 30AD and now is stark in both need and genuine indwelling of the spirit of God.

I'll not post on the thread anymore though - I know many of you cannot change your position as you have already stated that you do "speak in tongues". And I don't wish to be rude. Reading this thread would necessitate that.

 

[yahuadah]

A tongue only means a different language. And the holy ghost is when you walk in truth and belief.
A tongue and the holy ghost have nothing to do withe each other. That is a misinterpretation. Thier is nowhere in the bible where it says speaking gibberish is the evidence of the holy ghost.
The decipals never did that. They spoke in tongues meaning a different language.

Its a demonic possession when people start speaking in tongues. Thiers nothing holy about it. Its the same as a possessed person. Yes you are to a so called god but not the god your thinking of. Why do you think you can't understand in tongues.
It is very important what name you call on in prayer.
YHWH, Yahweh, Yahua, Jehovah, Yahovah or YHVH are not the god Abraham, Isaac and Jacobs god.
That is Lucifer and his angles. The Jewish powers that be injected their gods name in Christianity. Satan has deceived the whole world into worshiping him. After all he said" I will be like the most high" and he was given authority
on on the earth for a short time until christs second coming. The god of the Israelites his holy name is AHAYAH.
That's what he told moses after moses asked him what his name was. God said my name is (I AM THAT I AM) in the Hebrew its AHAYAH ASHER AHAYAH
That's the name you should be praying to.
And don't pray to christ neither. He is not god. After all he himself always prayed to the father.

 

[Blain]

A tongue only means a different language. And the holy ghost is when you walk in truth and belief.
A tongue and the holy ghost have nothing to do withe each other. That is a misinterpretation. Thier is nowhere in the bible where it says speaking gibberish is the evidence of the holy ghost.
The decipals never did that. They spoke in tongues meaning a different language.

Its a demonic possession when people start speaking in tongues. Thiers nothing holy about it. Its the same as a possessed person. Yes you are to a so called god but not the god your thinking of. Why do you think you can't understand in tongues.
It is very important what name you call on in prayer.
YHWH, Yahweh, Yahua, Jehovah, Yahovah or YHVH are not the god Abraham, Isaac and Jacobs god.
That is Lucifer and his angles. The Jewish powers that be injected their gods name in Christianity. Satan has deceived the whole world into worshiping him. After all he said" I will be like the most high" and he was given authority
on on the earth for a short time until christs second coming. The god of the Israelites his holy name is AHAYAH.
That's what he told moses after moses asked him what his name was. God said my name is (I AM THAT I AM) in the Hebrew its AHAYAH ASHER AHAYAH
That's the name you should be praying to.
And don't pray to christ neither. He is not god. After all he himself always prayed to the father.

Can you show me me one scripture that says speaking in tongues is not holy? But more importantly i think the motive of speaking in tongues makes the difference. If i receive it in the way spoken of i only want it to be because The lord and i are having a special connection, for it to be for his glory and out of deep love. All things are possible through christ, Jesus refered to us as a generation of little faith for a reason.

 

[zone]

Can you show me me one scripture that says speaking in tongues is not holy? But more importantly i think the motive of speaking in tongues makes the difference. If i receive it in the way spoken of i only want it to be because The lord and i are having a special connection, for it to be for his glory and out of deep love. All things are possible through christ, Jesus refered to us as a generation of little faith for a reason.

you don't seem to want to listen to people who tell you the Truth is in Scripture - not in your feelings and experiences.
faith cometh BY HEARING - THE WORD - THE BIBLE.
not faith cometh by experiences and sensations.

but, many go that way.
some never come back.
take care, lad.

 

[JaumeJ]

Once more, here is one Holy Scripture teaching that tongues is also for the edification of the person with that gift. Apparently it needs reposting. Of course the day of Pentecost with the tongues of fire and the, by all appearances, uneducated apostles spoke in tongues in a manner where all who heard from many countries heard them in their own native tongue. According to the writings there were the two types of tongues, one is in unknown speech, as mentioned here.

The beginning and the end of this instruction in the Epistles teaches that tongues is edifying for the soul of the gifted person. They should not be spoken loudly enough to interrupt any assembly of the Most High God unless there is someone else with the gift to interpret. This is teaching from the Word, not an opinion. It is a gift to worship God in a more personal manner.



1Co 14:3
But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

1Co 14:4
He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

1Co 14:5
I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

1Co 14:6
Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

1Co 14:7
And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?

1Co 14:8
For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

1Co 14:9
So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.

1Co 14:10
There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.

1Co 14:11
Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.

1Co 14:12
Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

1Co 14:13
Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

1Co 14:14
For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.


1Co 14:15
What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

 

[Blain]

you don't seem to want to listen to people who tell you the Truth is in Scripture - not in your feelings and experiences.
faith cometh BY HEARING - THE WORD - THE BIBLE.
not faith cometh by experiences and sensations.

but, many go that way.
some never come back.
take care, lad.

This is true that faith comes from hearing the word and listening to it, but i would hardly call the love god and i share a feeling. Feelings come and go, day to day but the love that we share is constant and active every day, whether i can feel the love or not i know it's there because i know what the depths of my heart is and i know the heart of the lord.

You cannot call such deep love and care with the father a feeling, it literally drowns you and consumes you. It changes how you think, how you believe, what you trust and don't trust. It gives you a new pair of eyes, it allows your heart to welcome the light that searches our hearts everyday because we can look inside our hearts and only see him in there.

My desire and love for him, the desires and love from him to me is not just my love and his love as if it was comparing two people madly in love. But it's a single love, as if his heart and my heart made us one. This why i speak so often of his heart and love. Because such a relationship with him is far to great and powerful to rely on (Feelings)

Felling disconnected from him is a part of my everyday life, my our love is far richer in those times because I tell him and let my heart speak to him even in those times how deeply i care and love him. This is how i know our love is true because even in those horrible times of disconnection our love shines ever brighter