Speaking in tongues

[maxwel]

whoa dude. girl can't have a fun time in chat. ok.

But I'm not on dangerous ground, everyone that I know that has been filled with the SPIRIT has talked in tongues as evidence.

It's ok if you don't believe me, I'm not looking for approval.

Read the book of Acts. it's all in there.

p.s. I like my signature.

I have to disagree with you on the issue of tongues.

But... I DO think your signature is really funny.

 

[hopesprings]

whoa dude. girl can't have a fun time in chat. ok.

But I'm not on dangerous ground, everyone that I know that has been filled with the SPIRIT has talked in tongues as evidence.

It's ok if you don't believe me, I'm not looking for approval.

Read the book of Acts. it's all in there.

p.s. I like my signature.

The book of Acts doesn't claim you are only a christian if you speak in tongues. I am pretty sure that all those people who were baptized in the Holy Spirit and spoke with other tongues, were already believers.

 

[jinx]

yup thanks for making me feel at "home"..... is now looking for delete profile. good jobs guys.

 

[jimmydiggs]

yup thanks for making me feel at "home"..... is now looking for delete profile. good jobs guys.

If the truth hurts, so be it. It's only a click of a red X away from no longer being a problem.


That being said, I don't think anyone's intent has been malicious.

 

[Chesed]

Yep. Pentecostals tend to disregard scripture and embrace anything they deem "Spiritual" which typically is just "how emotional does it make me feel?"

Well that's an unfair statement. I go to a Pentecostal church and I don't disregard scripture, in fact I take it pretty seriously. I also was filled with the Holy Spirt and can speak in tongues but it has nothing to do with how emotional it makes me feel...it has to do with how God moves. He's in control of His church, the baptism of the Holy Ghost, and all other gifts He gives. All of it is about giving God glory not about being super spiritual or if it makes us feel emotional.

 

[MidniteWelder]

Tongues are for self edification...prophecy is for the church...so what's the problem.

1 Cor 14:4
Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church.

 

[TheMachine]

Jimmy

Some folks faking something does not mean all folks fake something. Also , your reference to gibberish is wrong. On the day of pentecost they spoke human languages, but Paul refers to a heavenly language and the tongues(or language) of Angels. Why say that he speaks it if it doesn't exist.

An opposing view point doesn't really require bashing a branch of Christianity. You refer to Pentecostals looking for a good "feeling", why would that be wrong? Oh I get the don't let your feelings lead your faith, but can't a believer feel good about their faith? Jinx made some valid points without bashing and smashing. We don't always have to agree, and surely you can have fun in here. Your relationship with God is yours, it doesn't have to be mine.

God Bless
The Machine

 

[JCluvsme]

It could be so amazing when someone speak in tongues and someone translate it... ( some christians they speak in tongues but the message was only for them and some instances someone can interpret it) it could be fake depends on the motive of the heart of an individual..God sees our heart anyways..

 

[Tintin]

The speaking in tongues that I've heard only ever sounds like the Hebrew language, which is cool.

 

[JaumeJ]

It is for certain we are permitted to ask for any specific gift, but there is nothing beyond asking in all the innocence of a child of Yahweh that any can do that will assure the assignation of any specific gift. If one believes he knows Yeshua is the Only Begotten Son of Yahweh, this in itself is witness to that person's having the spirit of prophecy indwelling, see Revelation for this teaching.

Not all people have all the gifts, not all people have specific gifts.

It lifts my spirit that people believe the power of the Most High to this day, as they should, for there are many, as foretold, who hold the form of religion while denying the power of Yahweh, God, and this is a terrible shame, but it is what is to be before our Lord's return. Praise Yeshua, Jesus, now and forever, amen.

Okay so i don't know much about it, i heard it's a gift that anyone can receive if they ask for it. Which would be great because for some reason i feel i need to start speaking in tongues in my prayers and my praises. It seems to me to be a powerful weapon of sort, Every testimony i hear of it they talk about how it somehow empowered them. So what exactly does one do to receive this gift? And what exactly does it do?I guess to me it seems to be a booster drink of sorts, like it not just empowers us but greatly pleases the lord as well.

 

[JaumeJ]

From the Word here is one reference to this subject there are more. Not all teach, not all speak in tongues, not all heal on down the litany of gifts. If everyone had every gift there would be no congregation of people learning revelation and teaching from each other, it would not be necessary. It is a very nice thought that all knew all, but we do not. Yahweh is a god of order.

Rom 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
Rom 12:6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
Rom 12:7 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;
Rom 12:8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.
Rom 12:9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

I apologise. I understand that you're not looking for approval but I want to follow God's Truth, not a Pentecostal understanding of his truth. I've read the book of Acts and if you read it in context, you'll find there are a myriad of spiritual gifts, only one of them is speaking in tongues.

 

[fredjames]

Peace be with you, greetings in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST. Pleased to meet someone who wants to slide along with others bragging about things that they don't even know about. Can you please quote from the HOLY SCRIPTURE all that you have shared is written and true. Unsure as a Christian you utter great things and want to posses them, but according to Scripture you do not know what is said about them.
Sadly people are being deceived themselves and they are also deceiving others. Do not be deceived yourself' May GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST bless and help you in all truth.

 

[Tintin]

I don't see anyone bragging here. Also, could you be any more vague?

Peace be with you, greetings in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST. Pleased to meet someone who wants to slide along with others bragging about things that they don't even know about. Can you please quote from the HOLY SCRIPTURE all that you have shared is written and true. Unsure as a Christian you utter great things and want to posses them, but according to Scripture you do not know what is said about them.
Sadly people are being deceived themselves and they are also deceiving others. Do not be deceived yourself' May GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST bless and help you in all truth.

 

[JaumeJ]

Pentecostles like any other theology has its hypocrites and delusionals, this cannot be avoided, however there are those who are truly in Yeshua in all walks. The most secure course is to read the Word and believe Yeshua, doing His teaching, and not just reapeating the words by the lips. It is certain that most try with their heart, soul and mind. Nothing more can be asked of the Children of the Most High. (Test slightly enhanced for the vision impaired.)

 

[RickyZ]

Okay so i don't know much about it, i heard it's a gift that anyone can receive if they ask for it. Which would be great because for some reason i feel i need to start speaking in tongues in my prayers and my praises. It seems to me to be a powerful weapon of sort, Every testimony i hear of it they talk about how it somehow empowered them. So what exactly does one do to receive this gift? And what exactly does it do?I guess to me it seems to be a booster drink of sorts, like it not just empowers us but greatly pleases the lord as well.

Wow Blain way to start fights! Funny how the subject gets mired in vehement dissention.

There are 2 types of tongues

The gift of tongues is a personal issue, to be shared only among a very few if that. Think of this as a prayer language and not for public consumption. It is to be an adjunct to prayer; so that the Holy Spirit may pray thru us to speak to things and ways we otherwise wouldn't know to address. This tongue is for believers; since it is a tool to be used by believers for the spiritual edification of ourselves and those we pray for. Use in small prayers circles within an assembly may be appropriate if kept private among that group. Personal tongues may be also used in lifting praise and worship towards God in an assembly that is doing so. It is a partnering with the Spirit in which you speak but the Spirit gives the words.

Then there is a public tongue, or prophecy, intended to be spoken among an assembly. If one feels they are being led to give a word to an assembly, they should report to church leadership. Someone else should likewise report being led to interpret a word, before leadership permission is given to address the assembly. This tongue is given to an assembly as an exhortation, and a sign and wonder.

And then there's the origin of 'tongues'. As man's numbers grew after creation he had a single spiritual language. It was one of the few things he kept out of the fall, and it persisted until the tower of Babel. When Christ returns to restore all that man has lost, one of those things restored will be that pure singular spiritual language. Tongues are an accessing now of that future restored language thru the Holy Spirit. Where it talks about tongues 'ceasing', it's not that speaking in that manner will stop, but that doing so will cease to be known as a tongue because it is in fact our native language. English at that point would be the tongue.

Tongues are not necessary for salvation, nor should they be demanded as proof of Spiritual Baptism. As with all gifts of the Spirit, it is available to all but not required of any. Other than being extremely effective in helping produce the fruits that are required. The gifts of the Spirit are intended to help us produce the fruits of the Spirit.

Given a good thing, we humans will find some way to screw it up. We will over-use, over-sell, and over-the-top it. That's just our nature. That's when outsiders start thinking we're crazy, and that's where Paul tells some to put a leash on it. Place and moderation are key to tongues being useful vs being foolish.

 

[zone]

if you're not speaking a coherent human language you're babbling like pagans.
one branch identifying with Christ does this - none of the others do.
the signs and wonders and waggling tongues crowd - usually the least Biblically literate as well.

this stuff was NEVER accepted in the historical church - until:

Pentecostalism or Classical Pentecostalism is a renewal movement[1] within Christianity that places special emphasis on a direct personal experience of God through the baptism with the Holy Spirit.

These early 20th century Pentecostals were radical adherents of the Holiness Movement, and were energized by revivalism and expectation for the imminent Second Coming of Christ. Believing that they were living in the end times, these evangelicals expected God to spiritually renew the Christian Church thereby bringing to pass the restoration of spiritual gifts and the evangelization of the world. In 1900, Charles Parham, an American evangelist and faith healer, began teaching that speaking in tongues was the Bible evidence of Spirit baptism. The three-year-long Azusa Street Revival in Los Angeles, California, resulted in the spread of Pentecostalism throughout the United States and the rest of the world as visitors carried the Pentecostal experience back to their home churches or felt called to the mission field. While virtually all Pentecostal denominations trace their origins to Azusa Street, the movement has experienced a variety of divisions and controversies. An early dispute centered around challenges to the doctrine of the Trinity. As a result, the Pentecostal Movement is divided between trinitarian and non-trinitarian branches. Comprising over 700 denominations and a large number of independent churches, there is no central authority governing Pentecostalism; however, many denominations are affiliated with the Pentecostal World Fellowship.

which came from"

The holiness movement refers to a set of beliefs and practices emerging from 19th-century Methodism, and to a number of evangelical Christian denominations who emphasize those beliefs as a central doctrine. The movement is distinguished by its emphasis on John Wesley's "Christian perfection" teaching—the belief that it is possible to live free of voluntary sin, and particularly by the belief that this may be accomplished instantaneously through a second work of grace.
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all nonsense.
end of story. figure it out before it's too late.

 

[kenisyes]

I have known many people filled with the Holy Spirit who did not speak in tongues. This has been a dividing point of theology between the Assembly of God and the Catholic Charismatic renewal, since the latter began.

Back in the 1970's and 80's when this got big, there was scientific research into faked tongues. There is also demonic tongues. I can tell as could my wife. One of the results of "faked" tongues is that it cannot be continued for more than half a minute or so, if one seriously intends to pray.

 

[zone]

message for the tongue-talkers out there:

a particular question for the tongue-talkers who claim to be interpreters of someone else's babbling:

you know you're lying. how can you continue to do it? and attribute this chaos to God?



G. Campbell Morgan described the Azusa Street activities as "the last vomit of Satan."
("From Holy Laughter to Holy Fire" by Michael L. Brown, pages 197 & 198)

 

[Bookreader]

It's all fake and nonsense.
Those who claim it to be speaking in tongues (a better translation would be "speaking in languages") are deluded and deluding.
How often does this silliness go on and no-one is there to translate or understand?

If it's not speaking in a foreign language then it is not so much a gift of God. It's best described and faked and aimed to persuade others that one "fits in" or that one is "more blessed than others"

It does great harm to Christianity that these shenanigans continue without ridicule from within the wider church. Without speaking out we accept such things as real and associate ourselves with it through our silence.

How often do pentacostal churches (or those that believe in such things) send folks to Africa (or wherever) and say "don't worry about not knowing the language, God will allow you to speak it and understand what they say" ? They don't. They get a local translator or only send someone who has learned the language. Because even they don't believe it.

 

[danschance]

I have known many people filled with the Holy Spirit who did not speak in tongues. This has been a dividing point of theology between the Assembly of God and the Catholic Charismatic renewal, since the latter began.

Back in the 1970's and 80's when this got big, there was scientific research into faked tongues. There is also demonic tongues. I can tell as could my wife. One of the results of "faked" tongues is that it cannot be continued for more than half a minute or so, if one seriously intends to pray.

I have also seen spirit filled people who do not speak in tongues Many people think the evidence of the baptism in the Spirit means the person WILL speak in tongues. I disagree with that. I have also seen one case of demonic tongues. It was in a good looking young lady who was seeking freedom from the demonic. Often when she in the presence of someone praying, she would speak in tongues. Once she was asked to stop speaking in tongues and she had to write down that she could not control it. I said "I demonic tongues, in Jesus name" and it stopped on a dime. Are tongues for today? I don't know but I do see that they are used in a way that seems to contradict scripture. Even so I am not sure and do not consider it a big deal either way.