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[JaumeJ]

I have noticed a consistent tendency of your putting your own labels on others. This habit should be stopped if you are truly fellowshiping.

I have never been denominational. As I have posted before, any time a name is placed on a structured form of believing, a theology, it has varied from the Word, and is to some degree apostetic.

I was never given such wisdom as to select the correct denomination aside from joining in the faith of Abraham. All who believe Yeshua are of this same faith.

Any here who do not have love in heart, soul and mind when addressing and posting but rather wish to push what they are learning should best avoid addressing me.

Worship God, learn from Him in prayer and meditation. Also, by your own standard, consult the officers of your structured religion for guidance and truth by means of the Holy Spirit. Otherwise you will be studying all your days without ever coming to know our Father.

JaumeJ.... are you an SDA?

 

[jinx]

I have noticed a consistent tendency of your putting your own labels on others. This habit should be stopped if you are truly fellowshiping.

um, this is my way to figure out where people stand, sorry it doesn't meet up with your standards.
wait, no I'm not. It's a simple. you dont have to answer me but dont insult me in the process.

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

Jack is to far from law to be SDA.

 

[jinx]

SDA do follow alot of laws dont they. I forgot about that bit of information. thanks

 

[JaumeJ]

Exactly what is the label SDA? I realize I could Google it, but it is most proper to supply the actual meaning of these labels.

 

[jinx]

SDA: Seventh Day Adventist.

 

[RedTent]

There is a BIG difference between reasoning together, or even reading or listening to the ideas that a scholar or teacher has about what God says as opposed to saying you are a ---- and here people put on some fancy word, often with ism or ist at the end. For instance, I have read some people who say they are a Calvinist. I haven't studied Calvin, I am sure he had some wonderful ideas in line with God's principles, but to say you belong to one man's ideas or a certain way to worship except God's is not right.

We are told to reason together in scripture. We are told to follow God, none other.

I see nothing wrong with judging a poster's thinking as not in line with God's thinking. They are easy to spot, for they sneer at other people rather than reason with them, or they talk more about some group of ideas or methods of learning from the bible than they do about God's word. They are often more interested in displaying their "superior" knowledge than in understanding God. When I find this is true of a poster, I do not bother with reading their ideas.

 

[JaumeJ]

It is very important for me to confess something I believe. If I ever boast, I boast of our Father.

I believe there are believers of the True Living God in all walks of life, be they members of the RCC, SDA, and all other denominations and non-denominations, even among professed atheists and agnostics.

What people forget when they label others is what our Lord, Yeshua, teaches us plainly, and that is in part not to judge others and we will not be judged, also we are to judge with right judgment and not by appearances.

Not only are intellectuals judging other here, they are denying the Love that is God, Yahweh, by not allowing for others to continue each's own plight in his effort to find truth.

We who already know Jesus, Yeshua, must believe Him, learn from HIM, and above all worship Him, amen.

 

[jinx]

****sigh****

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

Jinx, you keep sighing. For what.

 

[Cobus]

Abiding asked a good question... He asked what does it mean to go and make disciples...

Well I found this VERY GOOD...

Let us look at the GREAT COMMAND and just how IT IS ONLY ONE COMMAND...
But first let us see what is THE NAME ... ONE NAME.... of the Father (YHVH), the Son (Yeshuah Ha Mashiah) and the Holy Ghost (Christ Jesus)
In Revelation 19 : 13...And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
And he (YHVH) was clothed with a vesture (The Holy Ghost) dipped in blood (Jesus Christ) and His Name is called: The WORD OF GOD....

The ONE NAME we have to baptize people in is the WORD OF GOD!!!!

Ok let us look at the command.... and what we are to do to fulfill this command...Go ye therefore, and (1) teach all nations, (2) baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: (3) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you:

Pont (1) .... Go and teach (make disciples) all nations... Jesus gave His disciples this command, and yet He was not finished with them YET! Before Jesus was crucified He said to His disciples: There are many things I still want to teach you, but you cannot bear it YET! Well, this was certainly clear that they NEEDED something before they could bear ALL TEACHINGS... And that was the holy Ghost... they NEEDED TO BE FILLED WITH THE HOLY GHOST BEFORE THEY COULD BEAR THE WHOLE TRUTH... THE WHOLE WORD OF GOD...
These men DID as Jesus said but only AFTER they were filled with the Holy Spirit on pentacost... So even they had to have ALL the teachings before God did send them out,.,. God send them AFTER they were filled with the Holy Spirit, and they preached the WHOLE TRUTH in all languages in Jerusalem... to ALL NATIONS... They Teached the WORD OF GOD....
So how do we teach all nations... and make disciples... WE TEACH THE WORD OF GOD.....

Point (2).... Baptizing them in THE NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost... As we saw in Revelation that this NAME is the WORD OF GOD... so how do we baptize people in THE NAME... WE TEACH THE WORD OF GOD...

Point (3).... Teaching them to observe ALL things whatsoever I have COMMANDED you.... What did Jesus command them? What did Jesus TEACH them and what did Jesus GIVE them to teach? THE WORD OF GOD.... How do we teach people to observe what Jesus taught HIS DISCIPLES?.... WE TEACH THE WORD OF GOD....

If we TEACH THE WORD OF GOD, we obey the great command. And we obey ALL commands. Even this one.... Matthew 5:48... Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Exactly like the Disciples we would not BEAR all if we have not the HOLY SPIRIT fulfill in us... So this is why GOD APPOINTS HIS teachers... HE KNOWS WHOM HE FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT!!!!! And these MEN are the ones that can PERFECT A SAINT.... Eph 4:11 to 13...

Praise the Lord God, that HE is faithful, and that he is still the perfector of His BODY in Christ Jesus.... Father, please make me part of that body, Amen!

 

[jinx]

Jinx, you keep sighing. For what.

my sleeping pill is kicking in and the topic hasn't made any progress... LOL

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

my sleeping pill is kicking in and the topic hasn't made any progress... LOL

Well eat some liver and rest. God bless. I'm About to hit the hay.

 

[Katy-follower]

There is a BIG difference between reasoning together, or even reading or listening to the ideas that a scholar or teacher has about what God says as opposed to saying you are a ---- and here people put on some fancy word, often with ism or ist at the end. For instance, I have read some people who say they are a Calvinist. I haven't studied Calvin, I am sure he had some wonderful ideas in line with God's principles, but to say you belong to one man's ideas or a certain way to worship except God's is not right.

We are told to reason together in scripture. We are told to follow God, none other.

I see nothing wrong with judging a poster's thinking as not in line with God's thinking. They are easy to spot, for they sneer at other people rather than reason with them, or they talk more about some group of ideas or methods of learning from the bible than they do about God's word. They are often more interested in displaying their "superior" knowledge than in understanding God. When I find this is true of a poster, I do not bother with reading their ideas.

I wish I could give another 'like' to this

I keep thinking of this scripture....

Sectarianism Is Sin

1 Cor 1:10-17: "Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name. Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas. Besides, I do not know whether I baptized any other. For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect"

 

[my_adonai_]

I wish I could give another 'like' to this

I keep thinking of this scripture....

Sectarianism Is Sin

1 Cor 1:10-17: "Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name. Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas. Besides, I do not know whether I baptized any other. For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect"

Amen amen amen
I believe that is Spiritual immaturity still needing the milk lol. milk of UNITY over misunderstandings.
And as reading that The Lord reminded me of the Samaritan woman,
Joh 4:9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.

Now if one was a muslim and the other was a christian then ahh we would understand. and how is it through our words and posts speak the above so clearly "that we have NO DEALINGS with each other" when we all believe that JESUS CHRIST came in the flesh and indeed have ONE GOAL, and that is to attain eternal life and fulfil our calling here on earth.

Should we not help each other in all humility? trying the best we can to understand each other and not to be proved BETTER or STATING BETTER points than the other. and with misunderstandings AGREEING to pray about it and seek the Lord about it? There is a solution to everything, and i do not believe that one them is Pointless arguing and contentions. The apostles knew this, and they glorified GOD together.

See the LORD destroyed the whole i am of samaritan and i am a jew, or i am the president or i am the vice president. and the FATHER said one thing, We worship HIM in SPIRIT and IN TRUTH, not in the flesh where there are contentions, pride, hate, discord, bitterness, but in the SPIRIT where there is unity, same mind(the mind of CHRIST) where we are all part of the body of Christ, edifying one another, loving one another as Christ loves us.
bearing each others burdens, showing compassion, and with others saving from the fire, hating the garment spotted by the flesh.
let GOD be true and ALL man liars.

 

[my_adonai_]

Php 2:1 If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies,
Php 2:2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
Php 2:3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
Php 2:4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.
Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
i repeat if a person is haughty, we tell them, if they do not listen. God will deal with them. No heart is hard for Him to humble.

Glory to GOD. i pray for unity amongst believers. Knowing that knowledge puffs up but LOVE edifies, YES GOD edifies.

 

[PennEd]

Aniohevtorah, Can you talk a little about the physical persecution you have endured? Are you a converted Jew? I'm new here and a little confused as to why there is so much strife going on here especially toward you. I don't think anything you've said is worthy of the negative treatment you've received.

 

[ANIOHEVTORAH]

Aniohevtorah, Can you talk a little about the physical persecution you have endured? Are you a converted Jew? I'm new here and a little confused as to why there is so much strife going on here especially toward you. I don't think anything you've said is worthy of the negative treatment you've received.

If you don't mind PM me, I would be glad to share. Unfortunately there are some on here who would turn it into a joke or side show. So talking about it openly here would be futile. I'm not a converted jew, I grew up with a believing mother. But in Israel it can get pretty bad for believers by other jews, and even muslims. A few yrs. ago, a openly christian believer who had a book store and sold bibles and christian stuff. A few muslims came in grabbed him took him out in the middle of the street in front of his family and everyone else and slit his throat because he was a believer. Some of the hardcore orthodox neighborhoods will actually stone you if you come through their street and they know you're a believer. As for me, I talk with you privately. Blessings

 

[Angela53510]

I was at a ladies meeting once and the ladies there were so ignorant of what the bible teaches about certain things, I couldn't believe it. So when I said "it's such and such chapter and verse" they were amazed that it was indeed in the bible. My perception of the situation was that they believed everything that was said across the pulpit, and didn't know where it was found. They didn't study for themselves, so it wasn't a surprise when I heard things being said over pulpit that wasn't in bible and they just opened their arms and took it all in.
We left that church shortly after, which I am very glad of because it was literally turning my hair grey.

On the other hand, I go to a church which varies from good knowledge of the bible to almost total ignorance. The pastor got people on a read through the Bible program yearly progralm. I started to teach a "Biblical Backgrounds" course to our ladies group, and they learned about the context of the Bible - the geography, history and archeology. For everything, we looked up verses, verse and more verses. We used maps and corresponded them to places in the Bible. By the end of the year, the ladies were hungry for more, and beginning to put the "Big Picture" of the "Big Story" - that the Bible is the revelation of Jesus Christ! And that archeology verifies the Bible, which was very affirming.

Of course, if leadership is the problem, that is difficult! Sometimes God puts us in a place where we can teach and disciple, and help other believers grow. But if they are not willing to learn, then I guess it is time to "shake the dust off your feet."

 

[pickles]

It is so easy to forget, that all we are, all we do, all we see, all we understand, all that is life in us?
Is God's creation and work done in us in Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh!
For God works all things to His good perpose!

Everything given is from God, Jesus said, I am the way, the truth and the life.
All witness, all scripture, every fruit, every teaching,all created is given, and made perfect in Jesus.
We seek through scripture, we work, we learn, but not by our own streangth, knowladge, understanding or wisdom, but all that is given by God, through His holy Spirit in Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh.
And all is recieved through faith.
We cannot claim anything as our boast, for all we know is from God above.
As Paul said, it is in our weaknesses, that God's power is made perfect!
If we cannot humble ourselves in Jesus before God.
Then all we claim is of self.
But when we know, that everything we recieve is given from God above?
It is then in Jesus that all is revieled and given, and the truth is within us.
And even if we do come by faith to see, know and understand all that is given and lived?
If we do not have the love of God within us.
Then all is as nothing, just noise.
And all we do is fruitless, and without life.

In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.
Through Him everything that was made, was made.
And everything that was not, was not made.

May we never forget, that all is from God above, given in Jesus as a sacrifice for our sake, because of God's love for us and the perfect love we are called to.
We claim nothing on our own, for all is given and created by God, and all is His love given and His glory!

Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh!

God bless
pickles