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Abiding

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#21
Im not here to contend or push my view....but im not
familiar with scripture driving this OP in fact quite the opposite.
And id bet my house those claiming this have learned most of what they
know from means outside their own homework. Why do i think that?
Because thats how God set it up.
 
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Maybe I'm not being clear. If not I apologize.
Is it wrong to listen to what people teach? No, as long as it lines up with what YAH's word says. If it doesn't then it is false teaching, cut and dry.

Does ANYONE need to learn from man for someone to learn the truth of YAH's word? No we don't.

YAH is more than capable of teaching and revealing His truth to us without the help of man. To think He's not, is a serious error.

So, to say again. We are in no need of man's teachings for us to grow, learn, receive YAH's truth. We need only 3 things, the Holy Spirit, a surrendered heart, and an ear to hear.
 
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what does it mean to go make disciples? how can that be done If noone listens to anyone? and
gets it on their own? seems the great commision would be wrong.

I don't disagree with you here. But this is not my point, please see my recent post just before yours here.
 
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Maybe I'm not being clear. If not I apologize.
Is it wrong to listen to what people teach? No, as long as it lines up with what YAH's word says. If it doesn't then it is false teaching, cut and dry.

Does ANYONE need to learn from man for someone to learn the truth of YAH's word? No we don't.

YAH is more than capable of teaching and revealing His truth to us without the help of man. To think He's not, is a serious error.

So, to say again. We are in no need of man's teachings for us to grow, learn, receive YAH's truth. We need only 3 things, the Holy Spirit, a surrendered heart, and an ear to hear.
Basing your arguement on what God is capable of doing is not a good one.
What the bible says the Lord does and what we should do is truth.
Going it on your own based on Gods ability is pride, not from His revealed word.
Nearly every major cult was started with that belief.
 
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Powemm

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#25
The HS is
Indeed an excellent teacher ..
 
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Abiding

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#26
I don't disagree with you here. But this is not my point, please see my recent post just before yours here.
alot easier to recall it...i dont want to reread all your posts.
 
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Basing your arguement on what God is capable of doing is not a good one.
What the bible says the Lord does and what we should do is truth.
Going it on your own based on Gods ability is pride, not from His revealed word.
Nearly every major cult was started with that belief.
Everything I do, is based on the Holy Scriptures. My spiritual growth is also based on the Holy Scriptures. Does that mean that I can't receive truth through someone's teaching? No I can, AS LONG as it is confirmed by YAH's Scriptures.
So, I don't know how much clearer I can make my point. YAH is the revealer of all truth, NEVER is man. Seems pretty easy to understand.

As for cults, they are started by the same as all the rest, listening to satan.
 
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Powemm

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#28
Red flag coming up in the word "avoid"
There is something " hiding" within it ..
 
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#29
I have a question....lets suppose you study something and have a view the Holyspirit
reveals to you all truth(which qualified is true) But He doesnt want to teach you yet
because you are not mature enuf. I wont teach a 5 yr old how to fly a plane..nope not yet.
The result is claiming you know and that the Holyspirit taught you...when He didnt.
It has nothing to do with Gods ability. He lacks no ability...yet we grow.

He has set up means for our growth, some private through events, some from private study
some from other teachers He placed in the body etc.....the lone wolf doesnt prosper...or
at least will have a more difficult go of it.
 
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#30
Everything I do, is based on the Holy Scriptures. My spiritual growth is also based on the Holy Scriptures. Does that mean that I can't receive truth through someone's teaching? No I can, AS LONG as it is confirmed by YAH's Scriptures.
So, I don't know how much clearer I can make my point. YAH is the revealer of all truth, NEVER is man. Seems pretty easy to understand.

As for cults, they are started by the same as all the rest, listening to satan.
So why are you fussing with me? Didnt i say "test" all along? Are you seeing nonexistant contesting?
Why do you keep harping someone isnt seeing your point? sheesh!
 
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Powemm

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#31
The word "avoid" is a "death" word ...
Avoid - causing separation
Nope not a good word ..( In this case)
Jesus came for sinners .. Not the righteous ..
 
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More and more we have people ignoring the sound teaching of the Word by means of the Holy Spirit favoring varied theologians and scholars who teach about the Word and not the Word itself.

This falls under the heading of what is falsely called knowledge, and we are advised and taught not to destroy ourselves with what is falsely called knowledge.

When reading a post and the person sounds as though he has swallowed an encyclopedia, it is a good indication to avoid that one's confusion, and it is worse when that one posts as though he wrote the encyclopedia.

When you see them gathering with others of the same ilk, and avoiding teaching from the Word only, rather than get into mindless banter about theologies, sects, different interpretations of prophecy, and more, avoid at all costs; these people, though they may have good intentions, are not able to help themselves. You may also know them if they seem to be undergoing some self gratification rather than giving glory to God and to His Word.

If you do not understand it as being from Yeshua, Jesus.....avoid it. You do not want to become as confused as these perpetrators of self, absent of glorifying God.

God is good all of the time. Unless we turn and become as children we cannot enter the Kingdom of God, and the thought of approaching the Father as an adult is ludicrous at best. He's our Dad, amen.
As you give us YOUR words and avoid teaching the Word only.

And we're supposed to grow into maturity. Become a man and put away childish things.
 
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So why are you fussing with me? Didnt i say "test" all along? Are you seeing nonexistant contesting?
Why do you keep harping someone isnt seeing your point? sheesh!

Who's fussing? You're the one who chose to respond to my comments, as well as I did yours. I don't care if someone sees my point or not for it matters not. If you're not liking to conversation between us, you are free to bow out.
 
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As you give us YOUR words and avoid teaching the Word only.

And we're supposed to grow into maturity. Become a man and put away childish things.

Just from the way you make your comment here, shows that you still are in need of putting away those childish things, and in need of becoming mature.
 
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#35
Choose life :)
 
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I fully agree as I know that listening to what others wrote and seeking in the scriptures to find justification for what they said based upon my perception that they were lead of God's spirit, proved to only cause me to have in me their way of seeing things.

That is why what I advocate has not as much to do with length as it does logical ties of each thought to a passage of scripture or to a logical link of scriptures.

I believe scripture one says this, and I believe scripture one says this based upon scripture two, and when necessary I then show scripture three to reinforce why I think scripture two supports my conclusion as to scripture one.

I need no man's encyclopedia as I have God's full word. The only thing I might ever need is something to assist me to understand the original words of those passages. Not a man's encyclopedia.

And I will share a secret with you about how I use even the dictionaries of the original languages. I see in them that they too are not unable to be tailored by some personal interpretation. So I let my survey of the use of a word throughout scripture act as seasoning for their definitions.

For example, we need to know and understand basic Greek prepositions for many are translated imprecisely into our English. I would not have known that but that I began to see that our translators are guilty of translating various Greek prepositions by a common English word. And the spirit nagged me to see that they existed separately in Greek for a reason, that reason being that they have differences in meaning.
 
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I fully agree as I know that listening to what others wrote and seeking in the scriptures to find justification for what they said based upon my perception that they were lead of God's spirit, proved to only cause me to have in me their way of seeing things.

That is why what I advocate has not as much to do with length as it does logical ties of each thought to a passage of scripture or to a logical link of scriptures.

I believe scripture one says this, and I believe scripture one says this based upon scripture two, and when necessary I then show scripture three to reinforce why I think scripture two supports my conclusion as to scripture one.

I need no man's encyclopedia as I have God's full word. The only thing I might ever need is something to assist me to understand the original words of those passages. Not a man's encyclopedia.

And I will share a secret with you about how I use even the dictionaries of the original languages. I see in them that they too are not unable to be tailored by some personal interpretation. So I let my survey of the use of a word throughout scripture act as seasoning for their definitions.

For example, we need to know and understand basic Greek prepositions for many are translated imprecisely into our English. I would not have known that but that I began to see that our translators are guilty of translating various Greek prepositions by a common English word. And the spirit nagged me to see that they existed separately in Greek for a reason, that reason being that they have differences in meaning.

I truly enjoy your gentle wisdom, even when it is for my correction. YAH bless you.
 
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#40
Have we gotten over the bump in the road that says we can't have teachers to help us understand or did I miss some post?