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Umm.... *scoots a few chairs away from Zman...
Eh, i like some level of variation from standards of metal. But just becomes something deviates from the norm doesn't make it good. Some aspects of the variety were good, but some of it was just weird.
Oh, and i found a pre-Alexia demo. BOOM!
Also the Electro-Shock Therapy compilation from Flaming Fish, back in the day. And Barren Cross live C-Stone 86. BOOM, AND BOOM!
Eh, i like some level of variation from standards of metal. But just becomes something deviates from the norm doesn't make it good. Some aspects of the variety were good, but some of it was just weird.
Oh, and i found a pre-Alexia demo. BOOM!
Also the Electro-Shock Therapy compilation from Flaming Fish, back in the day. And Barren Cross live C-Stone 86. BOOM, AND BOOM!
U
You know, i was thinking. Music stopped evolving in the 2000's. Look at the crazy range of variations made in the 90's. Hair metal, thrash, death metal. We also had popular industrial bands. Some bands that didn't fit categories, such as White Zombie. Rapcore. Even rappers starting to act more metal, and metal and rap groups coming together. Near the end hardcore started gaining momentum. And the birth of metalcore. Even some goth bands got more popular. Or even Red Hot Chili Peppers. The introduction of black metal. Grunge made an appearance. Pop punk. Ska.
What real variations do we see in the 2000's? We saw metalcore go from being defined by bands like Zao to bands like Killswitch Engage.
I mean, we may have some variations in subgeneres, like black metal spawning folk/viking/pagan/funeral, etc.. but really, those are just tweeks of one key style.
And yes, i know not all those styles started in the 90's, but those were all popular styles in the 90's. And some did start in the 90s.
I don't know, seems like the scene has turned into this unevolving, dead parody of itself. No wonder i so often find myself reverting back to that time, musically.
What real variations do we see in the 2000's? We saw metalcore go from being defined by bands like Zao to bands like Killswitch Engage.
I mean, we may have some variations in subgeneres, like black metal spawning folk/viking/pagan/funeral, etc.. but really, those are just tweeks of one key style.
And yes, i know not all those styles started in the 90's, but those were all popular styles in the 90's. And some did start in the 90s.
I don't know, seems like the scene has turned into this unevolving, dead parody of itself. No wonder i so often find myself reverting back to that time, musically.
Z
It's funny, I had a similar conversation with an old school mate of mine years ago about this. There have been very few good bands that have started after 2000. There are definitely some, but not many. All the great albums that have come out are still being done by bands that existed before then. Some of it gets old but not a lot. I go back and listen to older albums that people rave about and there are some that I just don't care for, and others that I just really like instantly. Either way, a lot of people call classics are timeless, and still good. And a lot of the more recent bands just aren't doing albums like that. They're not writing to push boundries, and express emotion, they're writing what people buy.
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That has nothing to do with a lack of originality. Look at some of the biggest bands in the 90's that were successful. Pantera, Slayer, Metallica, White Zombie, Rage Against The Machine, Cannibal Corpse, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Nine Inch Nails.. and that's just off the top of my head. And these bands are all unique from each other. None of them went pop and were successful, as well. And some of them were unique compared to other genres in general.
The problem is people jumping the bandwagon. KsE got big, so now everyone wants to be the 'next' KsE. That's normal, but no one has stopped this. People are no longer innovating in the scene. Its just KsE got big, then another similar band got big, so they all follow that one, then the next one pops up that sounds similar, and everyone follows them. And it goes on and on.
The problem is people jumping the bandwagon. KsE got big, so now everyone wants to be the 'next' KsE. That's normal, but no one has stopped this. People are no longer innovating in the scene. Its just KsE got big, then another similar band got big, so they all follow that one, then the next one pops up that sounds similar, and everyone follows them. And it goes on and on.
Z
Rock and metal were definitely the big things in the 90's. I went to highschool in the very early 2000's when rapcore got really big, there were a lot of rapcore bands, but they still were all kind of separate from each other....at least the good ones. Then at some point everyone just got into rap...weird