The Roman popes are the antichrist

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Howdy and welcome to the forum.

The pope is one of the more popular targets for people to point at and yell about the antichrist. The president is another popular target.

You are not saying anything that has not been said 14,000 times here.
Dear friend,
God must have a remnant to stand up for truth in the last days. Do you agree then, with Pope Francis blessing homosexual relationships? God calls homosexuality as an abomination. The Bible must be our truth, not culture. Not society. The Bible,
 
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Dear friend,
God must have a remnant church, to stand up for truth in the last days. Do you agree then, with Pope Francis blessing homosexual relationships? God calls homosexuality an abomination. The Bible must be our truth, not culture. Not society. The Bible!,
Not politics either.
 
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Listen up all of you christians and catholics who think the antichrist is coming soon. You fools. Have you no understanding that the ancient prophets told us that the antichrist would come in the context of Rome, which is the 4th beast of Daniel? Only one man has come in the context of Rome, fulfilling all the prophecies of what the antichrist would do, and it is the Roman kings, who were formerly called "emperors", and today they are called "popes". Understand that the antichrist is not just one man, but a succession of Roman authority. Each one has been the antichrist one after the other, under different titles and different names. And they have all collectively fulfilled what the scriptures have said the antichrist would do. This is what confuses many believers, and they look for the fulfillment of all the prophecies of the antichrist in just one man, not understanding that the antichrist is a succession of authority. They look at Pope Francis and say, "he cannot be the antichrist, because he has not persecuted anyone", not understanding that it was the Roman popes before him the ones that persecuted the people of God. In prior times the Roman popes were not as nice as the current one, and subjected the world under their religion and whoever did not uphold their teachings would be put to death. And throughout time the breath of the antichrist has been made manifest through each ruler of Rome, beginning with Titus, who became emperor of Rome, then the Roman succession of authority continued to Jorge Mario Bergoglio today, who is currently the pope of Vatican City, in Rome, and is called "Pope Francis". "Antichrist" in Greek means "false anointed", which is why Yeshua warned, "many will come in my name saying, I am anointed, and will deceive many", which is what the Roman popes have done. The antichrist was not someone that was prophesied to come speaking against Yeshua, but rather, someone that would come in the context of the belief in Yeshua, teaching lies in the context of the belief. And the Roman popes have come in the context of the belief in Yeshua. Titus was the antichrist the believers in the times of the apostles were waiting for, who surrounded Jerusalem with armies, and destroyed it and also the temple. And according to the writings of Josephus he was worshiped at the temple, and also an image of Caesar was placed at the temple, to be worshiped there. This was the abomination of desolation that the prophet Daniel spoke about, which is why Yeshua instructed people to flee Jerusalem and Judea once the abomination of desolation was established at the temple, because the city was going to be destroyed. The apostle Paul also warned that the antichrist would be worshiped at the temple, and many believers today erroneously think this is a future prophecy, not realizing this already happened with Titus at the second temple, which the writings of Josephus confirm already happened. But prophecy did not stop with Titus. The succession of Roman authority continued. And eventually, the Roman emperors became known as Roman popes, leading up to the man we see today, Pope Francis. People see a kind and gentle man in the current Roman pope, and think, "this cannot be the antichrist", and so are profoundly deceived. The lie the Roman popes have taught the world is that the Torah of Moses no longer needs to be obeyed, which is also why he is called the "man of lawlessness". And they mixed the teachings of Yeshua with Roman paganism, which became catholicism, which today has darkened the understanding of all humanity. And along with discarding the Torah, they have changed the appointed times of the Torah, like the Shabbath, changing it to Sunday, in honor of their god, the sun. They also established a false priesthood, usurping the priesthood given only to the Levites, and also Yeshua, according to the order of Melchizedek. And the Roman popes have promulgated other false teachings like the trinity, that Mary is the Queen of Heaven and the mother of God, that the dead go to heaven and do not sleep, that hell currently exists and the dead burn there for all eternity, that men can pray to Mary and the saints, and more lies upon lies and blasphemies upon blasphemies. Which is why through the Roman popes the 1st beast of Revelation is described as speaking blasphemies. And also arrogant words. And the Roman popes have also claimed to be the authority and representation of God on the earth. Which are arrogant words in falsely declaring themselves to be what they are truly not. And even in former times they were worshiped as can be seen in the art displayed in the Vatican Museum, with people bending the knee before the Roman popes, just as the Roman emperors were also worshiped as gods. And everything they teach is contrary to the truth and the Torah of God. Which therefore also makes them imposters pretending to teach the truth. And they are even called “Holy Father” by many believers, which is a title that belongs only to God. For even Yeshua said, “call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven”. And in this way the Roman popes are the true and full manifestation of the “antichrist” on the earth. The Roman popes have also subjected the entire world to their global financial system. All central banks of the world trace back to one bank, the Vatican Bank, in Vatican City, in Rome. This is why Vatican City is symbolizes by the prostitute of Babylon of Revelation, which is the city that rules over all the cities of the world, which Vatican City does clandestinely through central banks and money in all nations of the world. All central banks of the world have taken away the gold of all humanity, which for thousands of years since the beginning of creation was used to buy and sell, and is the true money of God, whose value is based on weight. And they have issued all humanity a new form of money whose value they can control, which is paper money and fiat currency. Which is the true mark of the beast of Revelation. Anyone who accepts this form of money and does not renounce it is cursed, and will be thrown over the lake of lava at the return of Yeshua. Anyone who wishes to remove the mark of the beast must get rid of all paper money and fiat currency once and for all. Under Vatican City a new republic is also emerging, the United States of Europe, which will be given authority by 10 nations. Which is the 8th and final head of the 1st beast of Revelation. It is the revived Roman empire, which was the 6th head of the 1st beast of Revelation, whose mortal wound was healed. The USE and its 10 nations will hate Vatican City, and 15 days after they federalize, they will expose her, then ransack her, then destroy her. Her destruction will also be their collapse, because she is the head of the global financial system. And because of her destruction all fiat currencies in the world will enter a state of hyperinflation. And the world will be in misery because of her. Therefore, because of all of this, renounce your allegiance to the Roman popes. Even though the world admires and loves him, we who study prophecy know that he is the antichrist.
The 1260 day prophecy, 1 day for 1 year is so accurate. God is good!
 

Cameron143

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Hi Cameron143, any contribution to the discussion?
Bless you friend.
I said my piece. When someone starts by calling others fools, I like to know who his audience is. So I asked the question.
The rest to me is a tired, old rant.
 
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I said my piece. When someone starts by calling others fools, I like to know who his audience is. So I asked the question.
The rest to me is a tired, old rant.
Hi Cameron143,
The way I read what they were saying, was maybe they felt a sense of urgency, probably trying to push an urgent message. Of course none of us are fools as we are believers of Jesus. Should we not be praying for one another rather than tearing each other down. I saw their argument and am still reflecting on their discussion. People can agree to disagree? It is called freedom of choice.
 
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That is very true, seventh day sabbath church, not a Sunday one. In line with memorialising God as our Creator. Very true. I’m already grateful to be a member now. I was once lost, now I am found. I came out of error. The 1260 day prophecy is so accurate, I wish more of our brothers and sisters could see the truth.
 

Lynx

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Dear friend,
God must have a remnant to stand up for truth in the last days. Do you agree then, with Pope Francis blessing homosexual relationships? God calls homosexuality as an abomination. The Bible must be our truth, not culture. Not society. The Bible,
There's lots of stuff the catholic church does that I don't agree with.

But I also don't agree with the initial premise of this thread, which claims the current pope is the antichrist. It's VERY popular for Christians to call (someone they don't like) an antichrist, and whomever is the current pope is a popular target for such accusation.
 

Cameron143

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Hi Cameron143,
The way I read what they were saying, was maybe they felt a sense of urgency, probably trying to push an urgent message. Of course none of us are fools as we are believers of Jesus. Should we not be praying for one another rather than tearing each other down. I saw their argument and am still reflecting on their discussion. People can agree to disagree? It is called freedom of choice.
I'm sure they do feel a sense of urgency. And who did I tear down? How do you know I didn't pray?
I'm all for choices. But choices are not without consequences. Calling someone a fool generally has consequences. And why do you tell me about choices and then don't want me to choose as I see fit?
 
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I'm sure they do feel a sense of urgency. And who did I tear down? How do you know I didn't pray?
I'm all for choices. But choices are not without consequences. Calling someone a fool generally has consequences. And why do you tell me about choices and then don't want me to choose as I see fit?
I understand what you’re saying though. So sorry, it seems they probably were trying to bring an effect, that was my initial thought. They would need to respond to their message as they posted the fools term.
Blessings.
 

Cameron143

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I understand what you’re saying though. So sorry, it seems they probably were trying to bring an effect, that was my initial thought. They would need to respond to their message as they posted the fools term.
Blessings.
I appreciate the apology, but not necessary. I'm not harmed in any way.
And welcome to the site.
 
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I appreciate the apology, but not necessary. I'm not harmed in any way.
And welcome to the site.
Dear Cameron143, it’s 4.35am where I am. But I understand, it was difficult at first when I read their initial post. I also perceived what they were getting at, as I came out of error myself, I seemed to have turned the other cheek to the fools term. If I can share?

Daniel 7’s prophecy speaks about the Roman Papal church, the power being the little horn that Daniel explains that power would align itself against the covenant of God. Daniel speaks of imperial Rome that would exist historically, he was bound on knowing what these visions were. God gave the answers. It tells me God is very personable. He cares. Sad that, I’m still getting my head around how a Christian entity would also wage war against God and his children, exalting itself above the Messiah, magnifying itself. That power, seeking to cast the truth (The Holy Bible) to the ground. The Roman church is now bringing the truth down, again, by allowing Homosexual unions to be blessed, when God clearly names homosexuality an abomination. Note when Jesus comes to earth the first time, He's persecuted on a Roman cross, by the Pagan Roman Empire. God’s children is also persecuted through the Middle Ages. Millions of people died for our faith. The truth was deformed by Papal Rome and therefore that is why the truth needed to be reformed. Hence the Protestant reformation, Huss, Wycliffe, Jerome, Luther etc. The Roman church is still going against the covenant, this includes the law of God, basically what God has put in place. The Roman church is meddling against God's concepts. The Roman church is obscuring the truth that God gave. The Christian movement grew significantly, historically, then you get Constantine, a Roman emperor now emerging with his influence. He was bringing his pagan rituals into the church.

So what happened was that man was gravitating away from God's truths, with the changing of times and laws. Adding its own flavour to the Christian phase, Rome emerges powerfully, the church starts growing. You now have the emergence by the 5th and 6th century, Papal Rome drawing systems of powers that then gets transferred over to Christian Rome. When Constantine converts, he then mingles church and state together. This should never be the case, then Christianity possesses the power it never had. The Christian church starts using the power of the sword to push its belief systems. God was now being misconstrued, as someone who holds a sword, instead of the loving caring personable God, I’ve come to know Him as. The mingling of church with the state took away the trueness of grace, love and freedom. Now, we seem to be on a course of seeing Christianity from a political process, rather than about freedom, love and choosing to become a Christian from your heart, rather than by force.

Lastly, my understanding is that God wants his children to embrace the truth because we want to, not because politics tells us to, it must allow us to choose for ourselves. Love that forces, is not love, but is force. God‘s kingdom is built on love, kindness, goodness. Jesus is a gentleman and he is our High Priest in heaven, not the Pope. God’s character, according to the Bible, is in the sanctuary, "Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God?" (God told Moses to build an earthly sanctuary with furnishings corresponding to each item. The sanctuary tells us about the work of redemption, what Jesus did to redeem humanity, through his blood. But also what Jesus is doing now, and what Jesus will do in the sanctuary, future wise. He receives our prayers, he forgives sins. Not the pope. Jesus told his disciple, never to receive payment for healing the sick. Yet, the Catholic Church has insisted people had to pay them for forgiveness of sins, no wonder that power was blasphemous, still is. God is the business of opening our hearts to truth. God cares. That’s why God pit his own son on the cross, his law is so important, the breaking of his covenant was done by man, but Jesus took our
punishment. God is my forever friend. He continues to stand in the breach. Many people don’t realise, that we are in the judgement now. Jesus will return again. According to Revelation 22:12. “And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.”
Blessings.
 

Cameron143

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Dear Cameron143, it’s 4.35am where I am. But I understand, it was difficult at first when I read their initial post. I also perceived what they were getting at, as I came out of error myself, I seemed to have turned the other cheek to the fools term. If I can share?

Daniel 7’s prophecy speaks about the Roman Papal church, the power being the little horn that Daniel explains that power would align itself against the covenant of God. Daniel speaks of imperial Rome that would exist historically, he was bound on knowing what these visions were. God gave the answers. It tells me God is very personable. He cares. Sad that, I’m still getting my head around how a Christian entity would also wage war against God and his children, exalting itself above the Messiah, magnifying itself. That power, seeking to cast the truth (The Holy Bible) to the ground. The Roman church is now bringing the truth down, again, by allowing Homosexual unions to be blessed, when God clearly names homosexuality an abomination. Note when Jesus comes to earth the first time, He's persecuted on a Roman cross, by the Pagan Roman Empire. God’s children is also persecuted through the Middle Ages. Millions of people died for our faith. The truth was deformed by Papal Rome and therefore that is why the truth needed to be reformed. Hence the Protestant reformation, Huss, Wycliffe, Jerome, Luther etc. The Roman church is still going against the covenant, this includes the law of God, basically what God has put in place. The Roman church is meddling against God's concepts. The Roman church is obscuring the truth that God gave. The Christian movement grew significantly, historically, then you get Constantine, a Roman emperor now emerging with his influence. He was bringing his pagan rituals into the church.

So what happened was that man was gravitating away from God's truths, with the changing of times and laws. Adding its own flavour to the Christian phase, Rome emerges powerfully, the church starts growing. You now have the emergence by the 5th and 6th century, Papal Rome drawing systems of powers that then gets transferred over to Christian Rome. When Constantine converts, he then mingles church and state together. This should never be the case, then Christianity possesses the power it never had. The Christian church starts using the power of the sword to push its belief systems. God was now being misconstrued, as someone who holds a sword, instead of the loving caring personable God, I’ve come to know Him as. The mingling of church with the state took away the trueness of grace, love and freedom. Now, we seem to be on a course of seeing Christianity from a political process, rather than about freedom, love and choosing to become a Christian from your heart, rather than by force.

Lastly, my understanding is that God wants his children to embrace the truth because we want to, not because politics tells us to, it must allow us to choose for ourselves. Love that forces, is not love, but is force. God‘s kingdom is built on love, kindness, goodness. Jesus is a gentleman and he is our High Priest in heaven, not the Pope. God’s character, according to the Bible, is in the sanctuary, "Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God?" (God told Moses to build an earthly sanctuary with furnishings corresponding to each item. The sanctuary tells us about the work of redemption, what Jesus did to redeem humanity, through his blood. But also what Jesus is doing now, and what Jesus will do in the sanctuary, future wise. He receives our prayers, he forgives sins. Not the pope. Jesus told his disciple, never to receive payment for healing the sick. Yet, the Catholic Church has insisted people had to pay them for forgiveness of sins, no wonder that power was blasphemous, still is. God is the business of opening our hearts to truth. God cares. That’s why God pit his own son on the cross, his law is so important, the breaking of his covenant was done by man, but Jesus took our
punishment. God is my forever friend. He continues to stand in the breach. Many people don’t realise, that we are in the judgement now. Jesus will return again. According to Revelation 22:12. “And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.”
Blessings.
I appreciate you sharing. Grace and peace.
 
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I appreciate you sharing. Grace and peace.
Nah, it’s not mine to hold onto, but to share. God’s grace. Freely received, freely giving.
Jesus changes lives, he touched my life, I have life now and am happy, with joy, peace, laughter! I just needed to be still and let God take over. He wants us to plant the seed and He will do the rest.
Blessings.
 

Zandar

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We say antichrist, but antichrist are people who don't believe Jesus was the Son of God. That would include a lot of religions that aren't Christian.
 

SomeDisciple

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I actually appreciate OP opening with an insult- I might have actually read that massive wall of text.