The question no flat-earther can answer
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Everybody thinks there has to be a single verse of scripture that will fully answer their question...
Can you show me a verse of scripture that states the earth is a spinning ball flying through space?
Can you show me a verse of scripture that states the earth is a spinning ball flying through space?
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Sure - you are excused...
Your current contention seems to be to cause contention.
You seem to want to evade the question of where in the Word of God we are told that the Earth is a spinning ball flying through space.
Not every question can be answered by a single verse in the Bible.
You are being silly.
However, Common Sense may be used to obtain the answer you seek.
Oh yeah - I call it Rare Sense now - because, it does not seem to be that common anymore...
Your current contention seems to be to cause contention.
You seem to want to evade the question of where in the Word of God we are told that the Earth is a spinning ball flying through space.
Not every question can be answered by a single verse in the Bible.
You are being silly.
However, Common Sense may be used to obtain the answer you seek.
Oh yeah - I call it Rare Sense now - because, it does not seem to be that common anymore...
Sure - you are excused...
Your current contention seems to be to cause contention.
You seem to want to evade the question of where in the Word of God we are told that the Earth is a spinning ball flying through space.
Not every question can be answered by a single verse in the Bible.
You are being silly.
However, Common Sense may be used to obtain the answer you seek.
Oh yeah - I call it Rare Sense now - because, it does not seem to be that common anymore...
Your current contention seems to be to cause contention.
You seem to want to evade the question of where in the Word of God we are told that the Earth is a spinning ball flying through space.
Not every question can be answered by a single verse in the Bible.
You are being silly.
However, Common Sense may be used to obtain the answer you seek.
Oh yeah - I call it Rare Sense now - because, it does not seem to be that common anymore...
If you could you might have a case against me, but I know you can't because you are being dishonest.
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Chester, Jerusalem is the center of the world (Ezekiel 5:5, Revelation 20:9, Zechariah 2:7,8). The way the firmament (Job 37:18) works is that it acts like a giant kaleidoscope that is above us. That is why in the claimed Southern Hemisphere the sun is presented as being where it is not, for most of the time, along with being able to see it anyway, because of it's size (around 6 feet wide (Genesis 37:9,10, Revelation 12:1), and 2 inches thick (Isaiah 3:18, Revelation 12:1)), and it's height above the world in the firmament (Genesis 1:17) (around 73 miles above the world over the north, and 100 miles above the world at it's highest - due south of Jerusalem (in June)), as it is magnified all of the time, along with being shown at a high elevation angle, up from the horizon, all of the time.
While the diameter of the Tropic of Capricorn, 9,978 miles, is greater than the diameter of the Tropic of Cancer, 5,846 miles (the diameter of the Equator is 7,912 miles), the way the firmament bends the lines of longitude going over the Tropic of Capricorn on their way to their respective north and south geographic South Poles is the reason South America, Australia, and New Zealand for that matter (as it is close, just claimed south of it), and Southern Africa appear as if they are on a Tropic of Capricorn that equals the size of the Tropic of Cancer, and we are on a globe.
The sun does travel a greater distance every day, during December, than it does during June. And during December it is going faster, as it rises, speeding up (Judges 5:31, Psalms 19:5), cresting exactly due south of Jerusalem, praise God, and slowing down, as it goes down from there and sets in the northwest, to pass over the north, every day - respectively, than it is as it does the same thing above the world every day during June. But remember, the kaleidoscope acting firmament is always presenting the heaven as if we were on a globe, presenting the observer with a view of where they are on any given longitude line - following it to the claimed north that would bring them to the geographic North Pole, and to the claimed south that would bring them to their respective north or south geographic South Poles - except near the logitude lines 002.674307786083575528416318295194° E and 067.795183748390479467629116785566° E, that would bring them to the southeast and southwest sides of the world, respectively. Glory to God.
The sun actually passes closer to the world - because of being inside of a firmament that is descending toward the edge of the world, as it's measurement in arc minutes is greater during December than it is in June. So that also contributes to why the days are not longer during December, in the claimed Southern Hemisphere, than they are during June, as a lower sun, along with a bending view from the firmament presents an equally appearing amount of sunlight during the day on reciprocal north and south lines of latitude (the Equator obviously being in the center of this activity of a higher sun/shorter route, lower sun/longer route, and warping view descending firmament)- with a much greater distance being covered in December, every day, than in June.
Glory to God.
While the diameter of the Tropic of Capricorn, 9,978 miles, is greater than the diameter of the Tropic of Cancer, 5,846 miles (the diameter of the Equator is 7,912 miles), the way the firmament bends the lines of longitude going over the Tropic of Capricorn on their way to their respective north and south geographic South Poles is the reason South America, Australia, and New Zealand for that matter (as it is close, just claimed south of it), and Southern Africa appear as if they are on a Tropic of Capricorn that equals the size of the Tropic of Cancer, and we are on a globe.
The sun does travel a greater distance every day, during December, than it does during June. And during December it is going faster, as it rises, speeding up (Judges 5:31, Psalms 19:5), cresting exactly due south of Jerusalem, praise God, and slowing down, as it goes down from there and sets in the northwest, to pass over the north, every day - respectively, than it is as it does the same thing above the world every day during June. But remember, the kaleidoscope acting firmament is always presenting the heaven as if we were on a globe, presenting the observer with a view of where they are on any given longitude line - following it to the claimed north that would bring them to the geographic North Pole, and to the claimed south that would bring them to their respective north or south geographic South Poles - except near the logitude lines 002.674307786083575528416318295194° E and 067.795183748390479467629116785566° E, that would bring them to the southeast and southwest sides of the world, respectively. Glory to God.
The sun actually passes closer to the world - because of being inside of a firmament that is descending toward the edge of the world, as it's measurement in arc minutes is greater during December than it is in June. So that also contributes to why the days are not longer during December, in the claimed Southern Hemisphere, than they are during June, as a lower sun, along with a bending view from the firmament presents an equally appearing amount of sunlight during the day on reciprocal north and south lines of latitude (the Equator obviously being in the center of this activity of a higher sun/shorter route, lower sun/longer route, and warping view descending firmament)- with a much greater distance being covered in December, every day, than in June.
Glory to God.
Chester, the word of God is filled with scriptures showing Jerusalem is the center of the world. How my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ described it:
And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. Luke 13:29
- literally means the people that come from the west, keep coming from the west, all the way until they get to the temple in Jerusalem, more specifically "the most holy place" (Ezekiel 41:4) of the temple, the top of mount Zion, the center of the world, position Latitude 31.776839547786177105831533477322° N Longitude 035.23474576723702749802271754038037° E. If this were not true, and Jerusalem was not the center of the world, and was in the east for example, the people coming from the west would keep coming from the west until they got to the east, then those same people would be coming from the east, as they already would have entered into the east. And this is true for every other direction.
The word of God also describes Jerusalem as being the center of the world in:
And gathered them out of the lands, from the east, and from the west, from the north, and from the south. Psalms 107:3
This means when Jesus will gather all of Israel - all of those who have accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior - out of all of the nations of the world, when he returns, to live in Israel (Ezekiel 47:13-23, 48:1-29). And it means gathering them to Jerusalem once a year to worship Jesus, praise God! (Zechariah 14:16,17).
And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. Luke 13:29
- literally means the people that come from the west, keep coming from the west, all the way until they get to the temple in Jerusalem, more specifically "the most holy place" (Ezekiel 41:4) of the temple, the top of mount Zion, the center of the world, position Latitude 31.776839547786177105831533477322° N Longitude 035.23474576723702749802271754038037° E. If this were not true, and Jerusalem was not the center of the world, and was in the east for example, the people coming from the west would keep coming from the west until they got to the east, then those same people would be coming from the east, as they already would have entered into the east. And this is true for every other direction.
The word of God also describes Jerusalem as being the center of the world in:
And gathered them out of the lands, from the east, and from the west, from the north, and from the south. Psalms 107:3
This means when Jesus will gather all of Israel - all of those who have accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior - out of all of the nations of the world, when he returns, to live in Israel (Ezekiel 47:13-23, 48:1-29). And it means gathering them to Jerusalem once a year to worship Jesus, praise God! (Zechariah 14:16,17).
If you want to use Scripture to prove that Jerusalem is the center of the Earth, then please do so.
But since you are using human reasoning then I will reason back . . . !
Then my home time must be the center of the Earth. Because people come here (my home town) from the East, the South, the West, and the North. We use that terminology all the time.
Sorry, Luke 13:29 does not even come close to saying Jerusalem is the center of the Earth. It just says people come from the four directions to get to the kingdom of God - and the context is not even clear that this "kingdom of God" is Jerusalem as you say.
You may believe and teach what you want - that is OK - and if you believe Jerusalem is in the center of the world, that is fine - and who know - you may be right? But if you want to use Scripture to prove it, please find a verse or passage that says so clearly.
But since you are using human reasoning then I will reason back . . . !
Then my home time must be the center of the Earth. Because people come here (my home town) from the East, the South, the West, and the North. We use that terminology all the time.
Sorry, Luke 13:29 does not even come close to saying Jerusalem is the center of the Earth. It just says people come from the four directions to get to the kingdom of God - and the context is not even clear that this "kingdom of God" is Jerusalem as you say.
You may believe and teach what you want - that is OK - and if you believe Jerusalem is in the center of the world, that is fine - and who know - you may be right? But if you want to use Scripture to prove it, please find a verse or passage that says so clearly.
Just revisiting this thread - and again the root of the question here is that if the Earth was flat and the North Pole was the center of a circular flat Earth, then distances in the Southern Hemisphere would be much greater than they actually are.
This one just makes no sense to me at all: all you need to is to go to the southern hemisphere (South Africa, Argentina, etc.) and verify yourself that the distances between points follow the globe model.
If distances between points in the Southern Hemisphere followed the flat Earth model, then it would be easy to verify!
This one just makes no sense to me at all: all you need to is to go to the southern hemisphere (South Africa, Argentina, etc.) and verify yourself that the distances between points follow the globe model.
If distances between points in the Southern Hemisphere followed the flat Earth model, then it would be easy to verify!
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The next time that occurs - please take a picture of it and post it.
The other day it was so clear , the moon on the left and the sun on the right , I see it often , but yes I will take a pic...
...xox...
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That one's easy; it's a matter of perspective. Your eyes can perceive angular distance, but not absolute distance. You are seeing the sun and moon from one point of a triangle; they are the other two. Anything along the side of that triangle, regardless of absolute distance from you, will appear to be the same angular distance apart from anything along the other side of the triangle, regardless of absolute distance.