Survey Poll: Will you take the Covid 19 Vaccine

[wolfwint]

Given the ideology @wolfwint has shared, maybe we should ask him if he would have obeyed man's law and turned in the Jews to be gassed and burned?
He currently resides in Germany. The WW2 history is still a stark reminder there.
And there are laws against Holocaust denial as well.

Which Ideologie i am sharing? Tell me please.
To follow gods word is always the right way.
I never told to obey goverment when they told you to do crime? No
Is the constitution of the USA commands you to do crime? Says the german Grundgesetz you should do crime? No

If you following conspiracy theorys and seeing in everything the devil, thats your buisseness.
The world lives godless, yes. People makes buisseness with the vaccine, for shure yes.
People makes buisseness with creating conspiracy theorys for shure yes.

But to change Gods word should not be our way of believe. Many people try to change Gods word not what they pleases them.

Romans 13, 1-2 was written in a time where nobody can claim that the governments were following Gods word. Almost all of them where pagan governments.
So the governments today are not more worse then in Pauls time.

But its right, if they comand you to do something what is against God, you must not follow.

To see in a vaccine such a thing, is realy strange.
Then you should avoid uesing the Internet, too.

 

[wolfwint]

Which Ideologie i am sharing? Tell me please.
To follow gods word is always the right way.
I never told to obey goverment when they told you to do crime? No
Is the constitution of the USA commands you to do crime? Says the german Grundgesetz you should do crime? No

If you following conspiracy theorys and seeing in everything the devil, thats your buisseness.
The world lives godless, yes. People makes buisseness with the vaccine, for shure yes.
People makes buisseness with creating conspiracy theorys for shure yes.

But to change Gods word should not be our way of believe. Many people try to change Gods word not what they pleases them.

Romans 13, 1-2 was written in a time where nobody can claim that the governments were following Gods word. Almost all of them where pagan governments.
So the governments today are not more worse then in Pauls time.

But its right, if they comand you to do something what is against God, you must not follow.

To see in a vaccine such a thing, is realy strange.
Then you should avoid uesing the Internet, too.

Sorry the "No" should be behind the second question which is ending with "crime"
The sentence: "I never told to obey goverment when they told you to do crime should end with an "!"

 

[ZNP]

So, Romans 13, 1- 2 belongs not to the bible?

13 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers.

Let every soul be subject. That includes Fauci, that includes Biden, that includes every soul. Every single person on this planet must be subject to the higher powers. In the US that would be our constitution. But for all countries that would be the Nuremberg laws that they have agreed to.

For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

The US Constitution is ordained by God. The Nuremberg laws are ordained by God.

2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

So for example, the crucifixion of Jesus violated the Jewish laws ordained by God and it violated the Roman laws that the Romans were under. So just because they accused Him didn't make it true and just because they crucified Him did not justify them. On the contrary they received damnation to themselves, His blood was on their heads and the heads of their children.

Another example are the laws and practices of the Nazi's during Hitler's reign. You cannot have a human law that violates the 10 commandments. If Hitler wants to legalize the murder of the Jews that is a violation of the ten Commandments. He is not being subject to the higher powers. Instead Hitler is resisting the power and he received damnation to himself.

 

[ZNP]

Which Ideologie i am sharing? Tell me please.
To follow gods word is always the right way.
I never told to obey goverment when they told you to do crime? No
Is the constitution of the USA commands you to do crime? Says the german Grundgesetz you should do crime? No

If you following conspiracy theorys and seeing in everything the devil, thats your buisseness.
The world lives godless, yes. People makes buisseness with the vaccine, for shure yes.
People makes buisseness with creating conspiracy theorys for shure yes.

But to change Gods word should not be our way of believe. Many people try to change Gods word not what they pleases them.

Romans 13, 1-2 was written in a time where nobody can claim that the governments were following Gods word. Almost all of them where pagan governments.
So the governments today are not more worse then in Pauls time.

But its right, if they comand you to do something what is against God, you must not follow.

To see in a vaccine such a thing, is realy strange.
Then you should avoid uesing the Internet, too.

We are not required to follow man's law if it violates God's law

Romans 13:1-2 does not say to blindly follow human government's laws. I told you already you are seeing that wrong.

See post 2203

The book of Revelation makes it clear that the Antichrist will require all both small and great to get a mark on their human body that they belong to him and to worship the beast and the image of the beast.

This violates the word of God. Romans 13:1-2 says every soul must be subject to the higher powers, the word of God is the highest power and "every soul" includes the antichrist.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

That's a non sequitur.

What I'm saying is that there are murders in this world every day. If I'm going to take time to think about it, I'll think about the fact that millions of babies are slaughtered who have no means of protection. Their own mothers are going to the back ally hospitals so some demon possessed worms can destroy their children. I don't go out of my way to "outrage" over what happened to the sodomite's pick up joint ten years ago, or whenever it happened. The communist media wants us to fixate on the queers. That's what they want too. They had a whole month devoted to them having sex on the streets in front of children, promoting Drag Queen Story Hour in all the public libraries...... I'm tired of it.
If the preacher offends you with his statement, then don't listen to him.

 

[ZNP]

Superior Orders

I am surprised that this issue is still alive, especially from a German. There are many examples in the law court where someone who committed a heinous crime said that they had no choice, they were acting under orders from their superiors and that has been rejected as a defense time and again.

Derek Chauvin is a good example, yes it was his job to apprehend the suspect, yes, he had been ordered there to apprehend the suspect and that is what he did. You could argue that he and his colleagues did everything according to the letter of the orders they were given. However, we understand that if a person is dying underneath you that you need to act in a humane way to save that life. Why do we know this? Because we are not apes, we are humans and we have the ten commandments and we know that it is wrong to murder someone.

There are many soldiers who are put in a very tough spot, they are asked to commit atrocities, they know they are illegal. But if they don't commit them they may be executed, either on the spot, or by friendly fire of those who did commit the atrocity and don't want you being a witness back home after the war. This is the situation every believer in the tribulation will be put in when asked to worship the beast and the image of the beast. If they refuse they will have their head chopped off. If they agree they lose their salvation.

So you tell me, who has the "superior orders"?

 

[wolfwint]

The Nuremberg trials already answered this question, claiming you were simply "following orders" is not a defense when committing crimes against humanity. Machine gunning a bunch of elderly to fall into a ditch, or gassing people in these camps or even administering kill shots is not something that you can claim "I was just following orders" and avoid being prosecuted.

This was not what I had said!

 

[wolfwint]

Who is breaking what human laws?

And by the way, it was breaking the law to hide or not turn in Jews in Nazi Germany.

Do you think Jesus would have turned people over to be gassed and burned?

No government can expect that people obey them to do crime.
And I cant see that God meant this.

We are not required to follow man's law if it violates God's law

Romans 13:1-2 does not say to blindly follow human government's laws. I told you already you are seeing that wrong.

See post 2203

The book of Revelation makes it clear that the Antichrist will require all both small and great to get a mark on their human body that they belong to him and to worship the beast and the image of the beast.

This violates the word of God. Romans 13:1-2 says every soul must be subject to the higher powers, the word of God is the highest power and "every soul" includes the antichrist.

Maby you should read my post till the end.

 

[ZNP]

If Jesus did not broke the human laws. Then also we should not. Or do I see this wrong?

This was not what I had said!

Yes, "human laws" must be covered by God's laws. Hitler doesn't get to make his own laws. Romans never once tells us we need to be in subjection to Hitler or the Antichrist or any other "human laws". What it says is that we need to be in subjection to the powers ordained by God. Hitler is not "the higher powers" nor is Stalin or Mao or anyone else.

The US constitution is ordained by God, the Nuremberg codes are ordained by God, but ultimately, if you have a question, it is the Bible which is the highest power and authority. Jesus is Lord and Jesus is the incarnated word of God.

 

[ZNP]

This was not what I had said!

No government can expect that people obey them to do crime.
And I cant see that God meant this.
Maby you should read my post till the end.

Your post asked if we are required to keep human laws and you said that Jesus never broke the human laws.

Of course human governments expect people obey them to do crime. When Xi wants his portrait and the Chinese national anthem sung in all church services he is overstepping. The church is the embassy of the kingdom of the heavens, Xi has no right to go into a foreign embassy and put these mandates on them.

When they kill Uigers and harvest their organs that is a crime against humanity yet the Chinese government expects people to do that.

Hitler's government, Stalin's government, Mao's government all expected the people to commit crimes.

 

[ZNP]

For the good of Society

If getting a vaccine (4 shots and counting at this point) is not something you do to prevent getting the disease, nor is it to prevent transmitting the disease, no the only justification at this point is this flimsy claim that it will help society and help us open back up the businesses. If that is the justification then what about forced organ donation? Why can't the government have forced organ donation again, for the benefit of society. How about sterilization for the good of society? How about forced abortions for the good of society?

 

[PennEd]

Vaccine kills another young athlete:

Dillon Quirke: Tipperary hurler dies after collapsing mid-game

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62447390

 

[ZNP]

I expect them to fix this right away.

When Biden became president they changed the way they did the Covid test to eliminate the false positives and show that Biden was having success against the virus. Now that they need a new outbreak of the Midterm variant I expect they'll have to change the test back to increase the false positives.

 

[cv5]

No government can expect that people obey them to do crime.
And I cant see that God meant this.
Maby you should read my post till the end.

This is yet another COVID crime unfolding before our very eyes....

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/...nes-induce-temporary-menstrual-irregularities


Dr. James Thorp is an extensively published 69-year-old physician MD board-certified in obstetrics and gynecology, as well as maternal-fetal medicine, who has been practicing obstetrics for over 42 years.

“The significant and dramatic changes in menstrual patterns occurring after COVID-19 vaccines should not be marginalized. It is indicative of major adverse effects on women of reproductive age. The stakeholders claimed that the vaccine would remain at the injection site in the deltoid muscle. This was misinformation. The lipid nanoparticles (LNP’s) are now known to be distributed throughout the entire body and to be concentrated in the ovaries, according to at least two studies. Schadlich and colleagues demonstrated concentration of the LNP’s in ovaries of different mouse species and Wistar rats, in vivo, in vitro and by sophisticated microscopic imaging in 2012,” he told The Epoch Times.

A lipid nanoparticle is an extremely small particle, a fat-soluble membrane that is the cargo of the messenger RNA.

Pfizer’s Internal Documents

Pfizer’s internal documents, obtained via the Freedom of Information Act, show a 118-fold increase in the concentration of LNPs from the time of injection to 48 hours.

“The LNP’s are known to include toxic substances including polyethylene glycol and pseudo-uridinated mRNA. The limited number of ovum in the ovaries (about 1 million) are exposed to potentially toxic substances and could potentially have catastrophic effects on human reproduction,” Thorp said.

“The stakeholders claimed that the pseudo-uridinated mRNA could not be reverse transcribed into the human DNA. This was misinformation,” he added, referring to a Swedish study published in February 2022 that concluded that Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine is able to enter human liver cells and is converted into DNA.

Thorp and former Pfizer VP Michael Yeadon believe that the medical industrial complex had unequivocal evidence on the vaccine’s danger in pregnant women.

 

[PennEd]

Accelerating carnage:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1555952358885957632

 

[shittim]

Thank you and blessings to you PennEd

 

[wolfwint]

Yes, "human laws" must be covered by God's laws. Hitler doesn't get to make his own laws. Romans never once tells us we need to be in subjection to Hitler or the Antichrist or any other "human laws". What it says is that we need to be in subjection to the powers ordained by God. Hitler is not "the higher powers" nor is Stalin or Mao or anyone else.

The US constitution is ordained by God, the Nuremberg codes are ordained by God, but ultimately, if you have a question, it is the Bible which is the highest power and authority. Jesus is Lord and Jesus is the incarnated word of God.

I am fully agreeing with you. Of course is Gods word higher then human word that is no question.

But, till yet the german western goverment after 1945 never forced someone to do some crime.
If it will come so I know thats Gods word is higher.

But when people and I mean special anti vaccine people try to sabotage the goverment because they beliving strange conspiracy theories then Christians should not follow them.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Accelerating carnage:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1555952358885957632

Brother PennEd,

Please pray that God does a work, John 16:8-11, in everyone as I preach the gospel at a friend's funeral. She took the shot and got dementia. She later was brain scanned because she never had a seizure before. They found a tumor. I'm not 100% sure, but that's very likely why she died. The shot gave her cancer.

I'm going to ask the mortician if he's been finding those strange clots that others have been reporting.

 

[wolfwint]

Using that logic, we should just go around healing people as did Jesus. Don't take any vaccines and forget the ER, doctors in general and let's just demolish hospitals.

Let's not pretend we all do what Jesus did every day and hide behind that in some kind of illegitimate argument that is nothing more than virtue signaling.

So what Jesus taught? If you are not agree with your goverment then rebell against it?
I never found that teaching.

And of course I believe that I dont must follow a human law if it is against Gods word.

Nobody claimed that the vaccine is perfect.
The hope was there it would helpes against a virus. And it did.
Sometimes it comes in my mind that you ( and i mean the antivax supporters) expect from not perfect humans to be perfect and present perfect results.
You expecting from sinners to live sinless.

Today we know more then 2 years ago about the virus and the vaccine.
Today we know that some false decisions were made. And we know also that the virus is still there. And for certain people groups the vaccine is still better then nothing.
And we know still that many more people died because of the virus, then the vaccine.
You may agree or not.

Btw, the purpose of Jesus healings were in the first point that the people could see that he is the prommised Messajah.

 

[ZNP]

I am fully agreeing with you. Of course is Gods word higher then human word that is no question.

But, till yet the german western goverment after 1945 never forced someone to do some crime.
If it will come so I know thats Gods word is higher.

But when people and I mean special anti vaccine people try to sabotage the goverment because they beliving strange conspiracy theories then Christians should not follow them.

You have to be more specific on what you mean by "sabotage". I agree that no one has the right to plant a pipe bomb at the capitol as a protest against the vaccine mandate (I do expect them to find the person who did that during Jan 6th), No one has the right to loot and burn down government buildings because they feel they are protesting some other injustice, don't understand why that isn't treated more seriously in the US. No one has the right to just violate immigration law because they want to come to the US (don't understand the people in the US who want to ignore that, but I also agree these mayors do have the right to declare their cities as sanctuary cities).

Now if you mean that 'sabotage" refers to spreading information about the vaccine that might discourage others from getting it, then I disagree, in the US that is a right. This includes the right to spread information that you or the government disagrees with, doesn't like, or even deems false. You were the one who gave the example of Jesus not breaking human laws. The authorities were very upset with the information that Jesus and His disciples were spreading, but according to the Bible God charges us to be His witnesses, so that rule trump's human law on that point.