I agree with you a 100% on both statements. See, we do have common ground.
That's why I'm asking you to let God's creation speak for itself, just as you said.
Observe God's creation, the stars, before you come to a conclusion on the issue, of course! Because we both know the Bible doesn't say the earth is a sphere or flat. And the issue has no bearing on God's unfailing love for us or our salvation through Jesus/Yeshua. It simply is as Almighty God made it.
Observe the (apparent) motion of the stars in the night sky and see for yourself if they demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt that the earth is a spinning sphere or a flat earth. After you do this, tell me what you find. All the more so, Gen 1 says God will use the stars for signs. God is in control of stars.
-- In the northern hemisphere (such as Ohio), looking north, the constellations circle counter-clockwise around the star Polaris (actually pretty close to this point, called the North Celestial Pole).
-- At the equator (such as Bogota, Columbia), if you're looking east, the stars rising on that straight-east-line, rise in the exactly east and go in a straight line descending in the exactly west (that 0-degree line). Then as you look south the stars spin clockwise around the southern horizon vanishing point. You look north and the stars spin clockwise around Polaris at the northern horizon vanishing point.
-- In the southern hemisphere, looking south, the constellations circle clockwise around the star Sigma Octantis (called the South Celestial Pole).
Meditate, study and think this through. The motion of God's stars is only possible if the earth is a spinning sphere (which it is, and there are many other proofs beside the stars, which I've presented to you). And these observations are not possible for a flat earth with "stars spinning around the northern point, as if they were hanging from a baby crib spinner over a baby crib".
Not sure how to make these observations yourself yet? I can help. You'll be making these observations with your own eyes, at least the northern one, assuming that's where you live. You can get the equator and/or southern observations anyway you choose to: take a vacation there, or ask someone who lives there, or make a Christian friend who lives there, or checkout time-lapse video of it from anyone and everyone. But get out into God's creation, as He made it, and make the required observations before you come to a conclusion, rather than assuming it's as you wish it would be.
Think about it, Romans34, if the earth is a spinning sphere, what is the damage you're doing by suggesting it's flat on a Christian website?
You, and anyone, can start by understanding the simple concept as it is observed by watching this short video: Introductory Astronomy: Motions of the Stars (youtube.com).
And use this web program Stellarium Web Online Star Map (stellarium-web.org) which will show you what constellations you will see looking at the night sky. At the bottom right of the main page you'll see a Date/Time box; when you click on it, there's a slider you can move that will set the stars in motion.
You simply go outside at night and identify, the Big Dipper, and then check it every 30 mins and track it's motion.
Below is a screen shot of the Stellerium website page. You can see at the bottom left you can enter your location, or any location in the world. Don't believe it, go out and confirm it with your own eyes.
That's why I'm asking you to let God's creation speak for itself, just as you said.
Observe God's creation, the stars, before you come to a conclusion on the issue, of course! Because we both know the Bible doesn't say the earth is a sphere or flat. And the issue has no bearing on God's unfailing love for us or our salvation through Jesus/Yeshua. It simply is as Almighty God made it.
Observe the (apparent) motion of the stars in the night sky and see for yourself if they demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt that the earth is a spinning sphere or a flat earth. After you do this, tell me what you find. All the more so, Gen 1 says God will use the stars for signs. God is in control of stars.
-- In the northern hemisphere (such as Ohio), looking north, the constellations circle counter-clockwise around the star Polaris (actually pretty close to this point, called the North Celestial Pole).
-- At the equator (such as Bogota, Columbia), if you're looking east, the stars rising on that straight-east-line, rise in the exactly east and go in a straight line descending in the exactly west (that 0-degree line). Then as you look south the stars spin clockwise around the southern horizon vanishing point. You look north and the stars spin clockwise around Polaris at the northern horizon vanishing point.
-- In the southern hemisphere, looking south, the constellations circle clockwise around the star Sigma Octantis (called the South Celestial Pole).
Meditate, study and think this through. The motion of God's stars is only possible if the earth is a spinning sphere (which it is, and there are many other proofs beside the stars, which I've presented to you). And these observations are not possible for a flat earth with "stars spinning around the northern point, as if they were hanging from a baby crib spinner over a baby crib".
Not sure how to make these observations yourself yet? I can help. You'll be making these observations with your own eyes, at least the northern one, assuming that's where you live. You can get the equator and/or southern observations anyway you choose to: take a vacation there, or ask someone who lives there, or make a Christian friend who lives there, or checkout time-lapse video of it from anyone and everyone. But get out into God's creation, as He made it, and make the required observations before you come to a conclusion, rather than assuming it's as you wish it would be.
Think about it, Romans34, if the earth is a spinning sphere, what is the damage you're doing by suggesting it's flat on a Christian website?
You, and anyone, can start by understanding the simple concept as it is observed by watching this short video: Introductory Astronomy: Motions of the Stars (youtube.com).
And use this web program Stellarium Web Online Star Map (stellarium-web.org) which will show you what constellations you will see looking at the night sky. At the bottom right of the main page you'll see a Date/Time box; when you click on it, there's a slider you can move that will set the stars in motion.
You simply go outside at night and identify, the Big Dipper, and then check it every 30 mins and track it's motion.
Below is a screen shot of the Stellerium website page. You can see at the bottom left you can enter your location, or any location in the world. Don't believe it, go out and confirm it with your own eyes.
