Is the Vaccine the Mark of the Beast (MOTB)?

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ZNP

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IMO, they have us by the short and curlies. :devilish:
Why? The Lord is the Lord of life, He has the power of resurrection over death, how could they have anything on us? It is appointed for everyone once to die, after that the judgement. I'm not afraid of them when I have to stand before the Lord at the judgement seat, so to me Jesus has us by the short and curlies.
 

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Covid Vaccine is not the same as the Polio Vaccine


He concludes that the vaccination that is being mandated is not the mark of the beast.

I agree with many things he says in this video, probably 90% or more. However, we both come to very different conclusions about whether or not to get the vaccine. He and his wife have decided to get it so that they can continue with their evangelical ministry around the world (they wouldn't be permitted to travel without it). That is a special situation that I am not under. My personal situation played a role in my decision and it is quite different from his. Since I already had Covid I was immune. By resigning my position at school I made the strongest statement I could to the kids and parents at the school that I disagreed with the vaccine mandate for teachers and even more for the kids. I did not "riot", I did not do anything that was not legal and constitutional. So I obeyed the authorities while also making my voice heard loud and clear and legal.

Here is where I am concerned with this video (not necessarily disagree). Will people see his video as a license to get the vaccine without going to the Lord themselves? He does tell them they need to do that but many are not willing to do that, they'll say "If pastor so and so says its OK then it must be OK". Listen carefully, it isn't what he says, he says clearly that it is one step closer to the mark of the beast, he says it is one step closer to globalism, however for the sake of his evangelical ministry he will get this vaccine because he has been called to suffer. He is willing to risk the possible adverse health effects to continue evangelizing.

Covid Vaccine is not the same as the Polio Vaccine

The biggest issue I have with this is his equating not being able to go to school without a polio vaccine to this. These are completely different issues and everyone needs to be clear on this because even a brother this strong in the Lord can be deceived by it.

The polio vaccine is very different from the Covid19 vaccine. The first two attempts at a vaccine were made in 1935 and both were failures. It wasn't until 1953 that Salk made his vaccine and 1956 that Sabine made his vaccine. Human trials of the Salk vaccine began in 1954, then the US adopted the vaccine in 1955. However, various serious adverse reactions occurred and the vaccine was improved in 1980. The improved version was tested and then licensed in the US in 1987. Yes, it was 53 years of testing and failures and adverse reactions until the US had a vaccine that they recommended giving to children. In 1962 the Federal vaccination Assistance act provided funds to make the vaccine for kids 5 years old and younger free, no mandate. During these seven years from 1955 to 1962 the US saw a dramatic drop in polio. Still in 1965 NY state required any child who attended school to get the polio vaccine. That was 12 years after it was developed and tested on kids. We had tremendous amount of data demonstrating the vaccine was safe (relatively speaking) and effective. Not only so but there were no other options for treating polio.

Let's compare that with Covid 19. The risk to children under 12 is less than 0.01%. That means polio had a risk to kids 100x greater. We currently have several very effective treatments if you get Covid19, Ivermectin and HCQ have both been used safely for about 50 years with great success. So, unlike Polio we do have effective treatments. The vaccine is not effective long term. The term is "leaky". The delta variant is an example, the vaccine doesn't protect you against these variants and as a result vaccinating everyone in the country doesn't protect you from Covid rather it creates an environment that favors the new variants. Not only so but there are quite a few adverse reactions and for many people the risk from adverse reactions is greater than the risk from Covid. Also, it is true that school children were required to get the polio vaccine, but that was not a mandate that included everyone in the country and most importantly didn't include those who had already recovered from Polio. To my understanding it is exceedingly deceitful to compare the Polio vaccine with the Covid19 vaccine.
 
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I have a theory...
I have not taken the jab and refuse to do so. I am currently refused entry to many public buildings. I have multiple chronic health problems, including Lupus, for which it is safe for me to take one treatment, which I know from past experience, is safe and effective for me.
This drug is hydroxychloroquine. I cannot get it prescribed. I can get less safe, effective, and more expensive drugs prescribed. It is clear to me that the reason is political. I suffer greatly due to this situation...and in my eyes, needlessly. The only reason I ever got was, "Stupid Trump."
People have vax cards. A black market is quickly developing. At the same time, Bill Gates is talking about an internet tattoo. Having one's vax record on an easily-scannable body area would eliminate fraudulent vax cards. This would "ensure" the public safety.
Bank cards, and the resulting loss and theft of these, would be done away with if banking info was included in the mark. It would also do away with the expense and virus transfer of cash. No one would be robbing anyone of money.
One's health info and basically all private info could be included in the mark. No more identity theft. At this point, the majority would have no patience for an ancient religious myth, that not even those who believed in it could agree on, as any sort of a reason at all to put themselves at risk.
Anyone who would not get the vax would be outside the system, unable to buy or sell, and since their situation would be of their own making, without sympathy and perhaps even hated.
I can see they courts turning a blind eye to those who hunted these sub-human vermin for sport. After all, they would be doing humanity a favor. Who knows, perhaps there would even be a bounty on these people!
Like I said, a theory, even sounding like science fiction. Though I find it quite plausible. Shalom.
 
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Why? The Lord is the Lord of life, He has the power of resurrection over death, how could they have anything on us? It is appointed for everyone once to die, after that the judgement. I'm not afraid of them when I have to stand before the Lord at the judgement seat, so to me Jesus has us by the short and curlies.
I mean in this life. Ultimately, what can man do to me? Nothing, that's what.
I am on the road...to my home...in the New Jerusalem! And nothing can stop me! Yeah!
 

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I have a theory...
I have not taken the jab and refuse to do so. I am currently refused entry to many public buildings. I have multiple chronic health problems, including Lupus, for which it is safe for me to take one treatment, which I know from past experience, is safe and effective for me.
This drug is hydroxychloroquine. I cannot get it prescribed. I can get less safe, effective, and more expensive drugs prescribed. It is clear to me that the reason is political. I suffer greatly due to this situation...and in my eyes, needlessly. The only reason I ever got was, "Stupid Trump."
People have vax cards. A black market is quickly developing. At the same time, Bill Gates is talking about an internet tattoo. Having one's vax record on an easily-scannable body area would eliminate fraudulent vax cards. This would "ensure" the public safety.
Bank cards, and the resulting loss and theft of these, would be done away with if banking info was included in the mark. It would also do away with the expense and virus transfer of cash. No one would be robbing anyone of money.
One's health info and basically all private info could be included in the mark. No more identity theft. At this point, the majority would have no patience for an ancient religious myth, that not even those who believed in it could agree on, as any sort of a reason at all to put themselves at risk.
Anyone who would not get the vax would be outside the system, unable to buy or sell, and since their situation would be of their own making, without sympathy and perhaps even hated.
I can see they courts turning a blind eye to those who hunted these sub-human vermin for sport. After all, they would be doing humanity a favor. Who knows, perhaps there would even be a bounty on these people!
Like I said, a theory, even sounding like science fiction. Though I find it quite plausible. Shalom.
It is easy to get HCQ, it is sold everywhere. Go to camping supply companies that sell it to purify water. You can also make it easy enough by boiling grapefruit and lemon peels for 3 hours.
 

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Brothers and sisters in Christ, I'm reposting this thread being most careful to follow the guidelines of this site.

I really appreciate all the commentaries on this site about all topics related to the vaccine and the mark of the beast. We are here to help each other understand, to help us have eyes that see and ears that hear. We are here to prevent deception. God Bless You all!!!

I want to respond to statements I've seen here and all over the web about the vax being a precursor to the mark of the beast (MOTB). I have not seen a good explanation of 'precursor'. Does that mean this pandemic/vaccine is a global practice session for the beast system, training people to accept the MOTB (while actually killing people in body and soul as well, given the poison that’s in it including graphene and aborted fetal cells)? Let's consider some issues to ponder concerning whether this is a precursor, and I will also explain why I believe the vaccine is in fact the MOTB:

1. All the vaccines modify human DNA via mRNA.

2. The mRNA modifies a human's DNA, making the recipients genetically modified; researchers and doctors performing autopsies and studies on the bodies of deceased vaccine recipients are telling us that the DNA is chimeric.

3. Genetic modification of a human makes that human patentable because they are no longer found in nature; only those things NOT found in nature can be patented and owned; so now ownership of those who were previously human and are now modified becomes possible (you may be aware that patents for these vaccines existed prior to the COVID PLANdemic).

4. Revelation 18:13 tells us that in the beast system merchants will trade in the souls of men. This must be because by the time the beast system is fully fledged, those who were once men, who were previously made in God's image, and have been transformed into chimeras will be patented and owned and enslaved. Remember that the intent of the powers (that should not be) is that vast numbers who take this jab will die (gradually, in this staged genocide because it can't be obvious that the jab is the cause of death; also, they want us to bury our own dead so they don't have to deal with piles and piles). Those remaining or surviving as modified humanoids (ideal max population is written in the Georgia guidestones) will be patentable and owned.

5. God made us in his image, inclusive of our DNA. When our DNA is modified and we're patentable or owned by the beast, can our body still be the temple of God? Can such a soul that is patented and traded still be made in God's image? (Remember, historical slavery is NOT the same as the slavery resulting from being patented and traded in the beast system, because slaves like the Jews in ancient Egypt or African Americans in the United States were not genetically modified). The beast system takes slavery to a whole new level, without possibility of freedom, or even a fight for freedom. All minds are locked into the artificial intelligence (AI) hive.

6. It should be clear to Christians that we are in end times because of the magnitude of deception in the world (deception is a major birth pang of the end times see Matthew 24). The deception is very obvious because COVID is treatable and treatments are banned, abolished, and some pharmacies carrying the treatments are being destroyed in parts of the world.

7. I asked God for many months about this vaccine, whether it is the MOTB. He sent me a dream on June 23rd 2021 confirming that the vaccine is the mark of the beast. I’ll post a transcript of my dream in future).

Many insist that the vax is NOT the MOTB because it appears to be sneaked into the world, and is happening outside of the prophetic timeline ie., prior to prophetic events that are supposed to occur before it. Remember that even the MOTB has to have a starting point, an inception point, which builds up to the climax in the beast system where the penalty is death. Remember even Jesus came in a manner that was completely unexpected for the Jews; He did not appear to arrive in the manner they expected nor did He say the things they wanted to hear; so they proceeded to reject and crucify him. Remember that Eve ate the apple because she was deceived; she did not remember God's warning and instead believed Satan that she would 'surely not die', and so the fate of mankind was sealed. Similarly many misunderstand and reject God's teachings, and will be deceived and take the mark, and seal their eternal fate. Remember, that the Book of Revelation has been warning us about the mark of the beast for centuries and for Christians who have taken the time to truly understand His Holy Word, God will provide clear warnings. God sent me such a warning and I am compelled to declare it from as many rooftops as possible to His followers.

Is there salvation after taking the mark because you did not realize it is the mark, because it is being delivered via deception as a treatment? That is above my spiritual pay grade. However, as Christians, we love one another and pray ceaselessly for each other. Members of my immediate family have taken it despite my warnings, and despite showing them videos by very informed and highly respected doctors, pastors, and researchers. I pray for them daily, believing in the mercy of God, while very aware of the fate of those who take the mark which is spelled out in Revelation. Their fate is above my spiritual pay grade.

We have to understand that God turns those who are not true followers over to deception. And deception takes many forms. Who are the true followers of Jesus Christ? Each of us has to examine our souls and seek Him with all our heart, mind, body and soul.

What about children or the old who are given the MOTB without their consent? God is merciful and they are safely in His loving hands. He can do all things. He made us, He created the entire universe, He can certainly undo a mark imposed on the innocent. We pray for them.

As we witness the INCEPTION of the mark of the beast, many Christians believe the false doctors and apostate teachers and pastors that the vax is a protection and treatment. Christians have to ask themselves why a vaccine that does not prevent infection or transmission is protective? And we as Christians have to ask why a mask should be worn by only the unvaccinated, when the vaccinated also transmit and infect? And also ask why only the unvaccinated should be excluded from restaurants, gyms, etc, when in fact the vaccination itself does not prevent transmission or infection, and when there is ALWAYS asymptomatic spread? We have to ask ourselves what should be we vaccinated for even though the virus responds well to even natural treatments and supplements, not to mention hydrocholoroquine and ivermectin? Surely these, and many other obvious lies and inconsistencies should be a clear sign that there is a NEFARIOUS hidden agenda behind this jab.

What has to be understood is that the MOTB system as depicted in Revelation 13 will not happen overnight, in one instance, where the old serpent appears as the Antichrist and blatantly declares 'TAKE MY MARK OR DIE'. However, when the beast system is fully in place I do think that the Antichrist will blatantly threaten those who are highly resistant to the mark. The vast majority of those who will strongly resist the mark are Christians so it's really only the Christians who will be threatened with death; non Christians will likely take it long before the penalty is death; for these, the penalty will be livelihood (buying and selling). The buying and selling threat has already started in 2021 in the guise of a fake vaccine.

Christians have to understand that we are in tribulation; our livelihoods are being threatened by these mandates. Our faith in Jesus is being tested. Do we trust Him to provide? That is the question we are faced with. We are appointed to tribulation, not to wrath.

We have to understand that Satan is not in the business of warning or disclosing; one must use wisdom and discernment to recognize the MOTB, that is why in Revelation 13:18 it is written 'here is wisdom' . Remember that Satan did not give Eve any disclosure, and God proceeded to curse mankind, and look at the fate of mankind since then. Nor will Satan give disclosure when it comes to the mark of the beast, he's not and has never been in the business of warning or telling the truth. It will be delivered via deception, just like the knowledge gained by eating the apple was delivered via deception; the old serpent told Eve, 'you will surely not die'. Regarding the vaccine, Satan's mouthpieces are proclaiming, 'you will surely not die'. Sound familiar?

Remember that the entire Bible and the prophetic Books including Jeremiah, Daniel, Ezekiel and the Book of Revelation, as well as the first Book of Enoch are God's warnings. If we have been studying the Holy Word, and walk the talk of our faith, and are truly born again, we cannot be taken by surprise; these warnings have been proclaimed by the prophets from the rooftops for thousands of years. The question is do we understand, or are we deceived?

Remember that Noah warned humankind for over 100 years before the flood (in those days people lived to 1000+ years of age), that the flood was coming. Yet they were eating and marrying and being given in marriage until the day Noah entered the ark. As Jesus warned us the end times will be as in the days of Noah (Matthew 24:37).

Remember that only 7 people entered Noah's ark.

Friends, let us pray those that refuse the mark of the beast will number more than 7.

Amen & Amen!
THis has to be one of the most ridiculous posts I've ever seen posted in ALL seriousness...
 
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It is easy to get HCQ, it is sold everywhere. Go to camping supply companies that sell it to purify water. You can also make it easy enough by boiling grapefruit and lemon peels for 3 hours.
Maybe where you live...I know one can make it, my health doesn't permit it. I've been wanting to work towards it, but possible renal failure is slowing me down. I have a very complicated medical situation. If I get feeling better, I'll make some.
 

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It is easy to get HCQ, it is sold everywhere. Go to camping supply companies that sell it to purify water. You can also make it easy enough by boiling grapefruit and lemon peels for 3 hours.
My doctor doesn't tell me about this. I didn't know they used it to purify water. I thought it was just a pill. I need a new doctor.
 

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Comparing the Mark of the Beast with what Germany did to the Jews

The best analogy to the mark of the beast is the number put on the arms of the inmates at the concentration camps in Germany.

You don't get there in one step.

1. First, you give every Jew and every business owned by a Jew a Star of David.

2. You now have to show your papers travelling around the city and if you are a Jew you had better be wearing that Star of David or else you go to jail.

3. By doing the first two steps the government can create a list of all those who have not been vaccinated. This is why many are seeing that RFID readers can read a code number to those who were vaccinated. You are being marked. This is like the opposite of what they did in Germany, they are marking all those who will be their obedient servants, anyone refusing the vaccine will be rounded up.

4. The Jews were then rounded up and sent to the Ghettos. This is like the vaccine mandate where you can no longer work at your job unless you have been vaccinated. Again, it is the mirror image of what they did in Germany.

5. The next step is to seal off the Ghetto in the middle of the night and round up everyone for the concentration camps. Since all the Jews live in the Ghetto few non Jews really see or know what just happened. Obviously you can't do this until the camps are ready and that includes the guillotines. This is where we are right now, we are this close to the tribulation.

6. Once they get to the concentration camp they put the identifying number on you for the camp, this is like the Mark of the Beast. With the mark of the beast they bring those who refuse to get the mark and give them a choice, receive the mark or have your head chopped off.

These things have to be done delicately, you don't want to spook people. If they knew the plan from the beginning 80% would revolt, but once you have 70% vaccinated it is not hard to think that everyone should, after all you did. They know that some will learn of the concentration camps, but just censor the news, call these people insurrectionists and spreaders of lies, and arrest them as well.
 
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Comparing the Mark of the Beast with what Germany did to the Jews

The best analogy to the mark of the beast is the number put on the arms of the inmates at the concentration camps in Germany.

You don't get there in one step.

1. First, you give every Jew and every business owned by a Jew a Star of David.

2. You now have to show your papers travelling around the city and if you are a Jew you had better be wearing that Star of David or else you go to jail.

3. By doing the first two steps the government can create a list of all those who have not been vaccinated. This is why many are seeing that RFID readers can read a code number to those who were vaccinated. You are being marked. This is like the opposite of what they did in Germany, they are marking all those who will be their obedient servants, anyone refusing the vaccine will be rounded up.

4. The Jews were then rounded up and sent to the Ghettos. This is like the vaccine mandate where you can no longer work at your job unless you have been vaccinated. Again, it is the mirror image of what they did in Germany.

5. The next step is to seal off the Ghetto in the middle of the night and round up everyone for the concentration camps. Since all the Jews live in the Ghetto few non Jews really see or know what just happened. Obviously you can't do this until the camps are ready and that includes the guillotines. This is where we are right now, we are this close to the tribulation.

6. Once they get to the concentration camp they put the identifying number on you for the camp, this is like the Mark of the Beast. With the mark of the beast they bring those who refuse to get the mark and give them a choice, receive the mark or have your head chopped off.

These things have to be done delicately, you don't want to spook people. If they knew the plan from the beginning 80% would revolt, but once you have 70% vaccinated it is not hard to think that everyone should, after all you did. They know that some will learn of the concentration camps, but just censor the news, call these people insurrectionists and spreaders of lies, and arrest them as well.
Do you understand what the greater exodus is? Of course this is happening! And they don't care about collateral damage as even that furthers their agenda. The church is part of Ephraim. Ezekiel 37
 

ZNP

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Do you understand what the greater exodus is?
The kingdom of the heavens coming to Earth. The Lord's millennial kingdom. God will judge the Earth. The separation of the wheat from the tares.

Of course this is happening! And they don't care about collateral damage as even that furthers their agenda. The church is part of Ephraim. Ezekiel 37
The Lesson from Germany is to not comply with tyrannical unconstitutional actions.
 

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Dr. Zdelenko says, Covid Vaccine has nano-bots that will be used to transmit a payment system through crypto-currency, and also says, it's part of the mark of the beast. He is a Jewish doctor, that also says, it's a poison kill shot. He stresses, protect your children, and take them out of schools.....NOW!

https://banned.video/watch?id=61897f79b2140737c32728d6
 

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Even if it's not the mark of the beast, the mandates need to be stopped regardless. The government- NO government, not just the US government, should be coercing people into taking vaccines... unless a virus is so severe there is a serious danger to most people.

There has already been so many lies about this vaccine, and it's rollout... Changing the definition of words, and making up lies...
It's pretty obvious that at this point they just want control. They want to use vaccine mandates as a pretense for a database the will control the entire population.

It's super obvious, and it needs to be stopped- or it will lead to the MOTB, and probably very quickly.

These people that are so on board with the program "Yeah, we need to make everyone get vaccinated!" have no idea what they are getting the world into- or maybe they do, and just don't care.

The politicians and people in power that are coercing people into vaccination- I'd be okay if they were tried and hanged. Threatening people with job-loss if they don't take an unnecessary risk with their life/health is wrong.
 

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CNN News Nov 12/21 : " Lockdowns to start for the un-vaccinated in Austria ". Its coming folks ! getting closer and closer to the Mark of the Beast, just a matter of time.