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Bombshell: FBI Investigating Sandy Hook Truthers Who Are Slandering Sandy Hook Dad David Wheeler & FBI Agent Aldenberg | Conspiracy Theories
Bombshell: FBI Investigating Sandy Hook Truthers Who Are Slandering Sandy Hook Dad David Wheeler & FBI Agent Aldenberg
Sandy Hook Truthers have been slandering a man by the name David Wheeler, a parent of a child that was murdered at Sandy Hook. Information was released days ago debunking their claims, now they’re in hot water with The FEDS for not retracting their slanderous claims upon a FBI agent. They still claim David Wheeler is an actor, playing two roles when presented with evidence. This matter is being looked at by The FBI now.
Slandering victims of a mass shooting is deplorable, even for a deranged conspiracy nut. Seek mental health counseling before you slip any deeper into psychosis.
I'm now going to prove my theory that when Ladybug "likes" a post on the conspiracy forum, you can be certain it is totally false information. Of course, reading this, she will probably "like" my posts from now on in hopes of proving she doesn't support just the kooks.
Passport Recovered
So your crazy story is just that, a crazy story. A conspiracy theory of sorts, created from a different story about a non-hijackers passport. Close enough for conspiracy nuts. They have a habit of taking a true story and changing it to suit their needs and then reposting it to create a conspiracy.
I'll post up the story and highlight a particular section that discussed a wallet that was recovered from the Flight 93 crash site. It won't change your mind and you will quickly dismiss it, but it is factual and the evidence is proof that once again, you are wrong.
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United Airlines Flight 93 slammed into the earth Sept. 11 near Shanksville, Somerset County, at more than 500 mph, with a ferocity that disintegrated metal, bone and flesh. It took more than three months to identify the remains of the 40 passengers and crew, and, by process of elimination, the four hijackers...
But searchers also gathered surprisingly intact mementos of lives lost.
Those items, such as a wedding ring and other jewelry, photos, credit cards, purses and their contents, shoes, a wallet and currency, are among seven boxes of identified personal effects salvaged from the site.
Flight 93 victims' effects to go back to families
The story...
The passport of one of the hijackers was found at the WTC. It's clearly impossible for any personal effects to survive the impact and explosion, therefore it must have been planted.
Our take...
Our first reaction is why would they bother? What does it add to the story? There was no need to “plant passports”. We’ve never seen anyone say “they must have been on the planes because look, the NYPD found that passport”. It’s completely unnecessary, and is only ever used as evidence of an “inside job”.
But could the passport have escaped destruction? Explosions are unpredictable things, it’s surprising what can survive, and there are accounts of personal effects being retrieved from other passengers.
There’s some support for the idea from other crash sites, then, but of course surviving the initial impact is only one problem. Others ask how could one passport be recovered so quickly from the rubble of the trade centre collapses? Fortunately the answer is a simple one. It wasn’t. Here’s the official account of what happened.
The passport was recovered by NYPD Detective Yuk H. Chin from a male passerby in a business suit, about 30 years old. The passerby left before being identified, while debris was falling from WTC 2. The tower collapsed shortly afterwards. The detective then gave the passport to the FBI on 9/11.
Page 40
http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_statements/911_TerrTrav_Ch2.pdf
Bushido, Ladybug,...any questions? Feel free to post evidence for the next round of theories you dream up. Better yet, if you don't have evidence, don't waste our time.
Passport Recovered
So your crazy story is just that, a crazy story. A conspiracy theory of sorts, created from a different story about a non-hijackers passport. Close enough for conspiracy nuts. They have a habit of taking a true story and changing it to suit their needs and then reposting it to create a conspiracy.
I'll post up the story and highlight a particular section that discussed a wallet that was recovered from the Flight 93 crash site. It won't change your mind and you will quickly dismiss it, but it is factual and the evidence is proof that once again, you are wrong.
_______________________________________________________________________________________
United Airlines Flight 93 slammed into the earth Sept. 11 near Shanksville, Somerset County, at more than 500 mph, with a ferocity that disintegrated metal, bone and flesh. It took more than three months to identify the remains of the 40 passengers and crew, and, by process of elimination, the four hijackers...
But searchers also gathered surprisingly intact mementos of lives lost.
Those items, such as a wedding ring and other jewelry, photos, credit cards, purses and their contents, shoes, a wallet and currency, are among seven boxes of identified personal effects salvaged from the site.
Flight 93 victims' effects to go back to families
The story...
The passport of one of the hijackers was found at the WTC. It's clearly impossible for any personal effects to survive the impact and explosion, therefore it must have been planted.
Our take...
Our first reaction is why would they bother? What does it add to the story? There was no need to “plant passports”. We’ve never seen anyone say “they must have been on the planes because look, the NYPD found that passport”. It’s completely unnecessary, and is only ever used as evidence of an “inside job”.
But could the passport have escaped destruction? Explosions are unpredictable things, it’s surprising what can survive, and there are accounts of personal effects being retrieved from other passengers.
There’s some support for the idea from other crash sites, then, but of course surviving the initial impact is only one problem. Others ask how could one passport be recovered so quickly from the rubble of the trade centre collapses? Fortunately the answer is a simple one. It wasn’t. Here’s the official account of what happened.
The passport was recovered by NYPD Detective Yuk H. Chin from a male passerby in a business suit, about 30 years old. The passerby left before being identified, while debris was falling from WTC 2. The tower collapsed shortly afterwards. The detective then gave the passport to the FBI on 9/11.
Page 40
http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_statements/911_TerrTrav_Ch2.pdf
Bushido, Ladybug,...any questions? Feel free to post evidence for the next round of theories you dream up. Better yet, if you don't have evidence, don't waste our time.
Is there ever going to be a point where you provide any real evidence or proof of your conspiracy theory? United Airlines, Flight 93 went into the ground almost vertically, in Stony Creek Township, Pennsylvania, at a speed of 500mph. I already showed you the evidence that many items, including a wallet, survived that crash. That debunks numerous conspiracy theories about nothing could have survived any of the crash sites.
What is your response? A video from CNN, saying a wallet was found near the crash site of American Airlines flight 11, that hit the north tower of the WTC at 8:45am. The wallet belonged to Satam Al Suqami - Date of birth used: June 28, 1976; Last known address: United Arab Emirates.
Just for reference purpose, the following list of notes and references that came from Wikipedia, are the type of information that you and all other conspiracy theorists always ignore and always fail to present when attempting to sell your stories. Plus the link. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks
Notes and references
References
What is your response? A video from CNN, saying a wallet was found near the crash site of American Airlines flight 11, that hit the north tower of the WTC at 8:45am. The wallet belonged to Satam Al Suqami - Date of birth used: June 28, 1976; Last known address: United Arab Emirates.
Just for reference purpose, the following list of notes and references that came from Wikipedia, are the type of information that you and all other conspiracy theorists always ignore and always fail to present when attempting to sell your stories. Plus the link. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks
Notes and references
- CIA Document "DCI Testimony Before the Joint Inquiry into Terrorist Attacks Against the United States", Date June 18, 2002, Website https://www.cia.gov/news-information/speeches-testimony/2002/dci_testimony_06182002.html
- Mazzetti, Mark (November 14, 2009). "Portrait of 9/11 ‘Jackal’ Emerges as He Awaits Trial". New York Times. Retrieved November 15, 2009.
- John J. Lumpkin. "Global Security". Global Security. Retrieved 2011-09-11.
- Kushner, Harvey W. (2003). Encyclopedia of Terrorism. SAGE Publications. p. 238. ISBN978-0-7619-2408-1.
- McDermott (2005), p. 191
- 9/11 and Terrorist Travel, pp. 9–10
- 9/11 Commission Report, Chapter 5.2, pp. 153–159
- "The Hamburg connection". BBC News. August 19, 2005.
- http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf
- Video on YouTube
- Glen Johnson (2001-09-23). "Probe reconstructs horror, calculated attacks on planes". Boston Globe.
- "Calm Before the Crash". ABC News. 2002-07-18. Archived from the original on 2002-09-21.
- Sherwell, Philip (2011-09-10). "9/11: Voices from the doomed planes". The Telegraph (London). Retrieved 2011-09-24.
- "Boston.com / Fighting Terrorism". The Boston Globe. Archived from the original on August 16, 2015.
- "Investigating 9-11 -- The doomed flights". San Francisco Chronicle. 2004-07-23. Archived from the original on May 23, 2012.
- "Transcript: America's New War: Recovering From Tragedy". CNN. 2001-09-14.
- "Remains Of 9 Sept. 11 Hijackers Held". CBS News. 2002-08-17.
- "Flight 93: Forty lives, one destiny". Post-gazette.com. 2001-10-28. Retrieved 2011-09-11.
- "Context of '(9:37 a.m.) 11 September 2001: Flight 93 Passenger Jeremy Glick Describes Hijackers, Bomb'". Cooperativeresearch.org. Retrieved 2011-09-11.
- The 9/11 Commission Report, pp. 12, 29
- "Cockpit Voice Recorder transcript"(PDF). FindLaw.
- "How The FBI Identified The 19 Hijackers's Identities"(PDF). 911 Myths.
- Bamford, James; Willis, Scott (February 3, 2009). "The Spy Factory". PBS. Retrieved July 2, 2013.
- C-SPAN video, address to the National Press Club on May 30, 2002, with Judicial Watch, via rationalveracity.com
- Shadow Factory, James Bamford, Doubleday, 2008, Chapter 1: Intercept
- Bamford, Chapter 1
- Spy Factory, Nova, interview with Mark Rossini 2.3.2009
- Bamford, Chapter 2: San Diego
- FBI Announces List of 19 Hijackers, FBI, national Press Release September 14, 2001 Archived July 26, 2015, at the Wayback Machine.
- The FBI releases 19 photographs of individuals believed to be the hijackers of the four airliners that crashed on 11 September 2001FBI, national Press Release 27 September 2001 Archived May 23, 2015, at the Wayback Machine.
- Las Vegas Review Journal, September 16, 2001.
- Giuliani holds on to hope, BBC News, 16 September 2001
- "National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States". 9-11commission.gov. Retrieved 2011-09-11.
- Gilles, Rob (May 27, 2009). "Napolitano addresses Sept. 11 Canada controversy". Associated Press. Retrieved May 30, 2009.
- "Alleged shooter tied to mosque of 9/11 hijackers". Associated Press. November 8, 2009.
- Uncloaking Terrorist Networks | Krebs | First Monday
- "Der Spiegel – Panoply of the Absurd". Spiegel.de. 2001-09-11. Retrieved 2011-09-11.
- Steve Herrmann (2006-10-27). "BBC News – 9/11 conspiracy theory". Bbc.co.uk. Retrieved 2011-09-11.
- "Hijack 'suspects' alive and well". BBC News. 2001-09-23. Retrieved 2011-09-11.
- Islam Online – Saudi Suspects in U.S. Attacks Were Not in the U.S.
- LA Times – FBI Chief Raises New Doubts Over Hijackers' Identities
References
- "9/11 Commission Report" (PDF). National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States. 2004. Retrieved 2008-09-30.
- "Appendix". 9/11 and Terror Travel (PDF). National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States. 2004. Retrieved 2008-09-30.
- Aust, Stefan; Der Spiegel Magazine (2002). Inside 9-11: What Really Happened. Schnibben, Cordt. MacMillan. ISBN 0-312-98748-X.
- Bamford, James (2008). Shadow Factory. Doubleday. ISBN 978-0385521321.
- Burke, Jason (2004). Al-Qaeda: The True Story of Radical Islam. I.B. Tauris. ISBN 1-85043-666-5.
- Federal Bureau of Investigation (2008-02-04). "Hijackers' Timeline" (PDF). NEFA Foundation. Retrieved 2008-10-06.
- Fouda, Yosri; Fielding, Nick (2003). Masterminds of Terror: The Truth Behind the Most Devastating Terrorist Attack the World Has Ever Seen. Arcade. ISBN 1-55970-708-9.
- McDermott, Terry (2005). Perfect Soldiers: The Hijackers: Who They Were, Why They Did It. Harper Collins. ISBN 0-06-058469-6.
- Smith, Paul J. (2005). Terrorism and Violence in Southeast Asia: Transnational Challenges to States and Regional Stability. M.E. Sharpe. ISBN 0-7656-1433-2.
- Wright, Lawrence (2006). The Looming Tower: Al Qaeda and the Road to 9/11. Alfred A. Knopf. ISBN 0-375-41486-X.
How do you do it? How do you read a thread that provides evidence of objects that survived at several crash sites, and then act as though you are unaware and uninformed? Is it Arkansas corn liquor, or those blinders they put on horses? What? Just once can a conspiracy believer come onto a conspiracy thread and bring something with them, like a well thought out scenario where they provide links to site showing evidence that proves something? Is that asking too much of you guys? It's always just story time with conspiracy folks. Whatever they feel like making up or repeating that they heard from some nut on a youtube video.
Tell people what it is you believe and then go about proving it by providing evidence. Can you just try to do that once?
Tell people what it is you believe and then go about proving it by providing evidence. Can you just try to do that once?
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i was taught common sense and raised by people that taught me to question things. not believe everything i hear because someone says its "official".
there is evidence on both sides, which one you gonna believe, we can post links to evidence from here to Christmas, whats it gonna prove.
here is a thought, who has benefited from 911?? Islam - no, Arab countries - no, american people - no, the US goverment - yes.
has this been done before? yes many times, go read a history book.
there is evidence on both sides, which one you gonna believe, we can post links to evidence from here to Christmas, whats it gonna prove.
here is a thought, who has benefited from 911?? Islam - no, Arab countries - no, american people - no, the US goverment - yes.
has this been done before? yes many times, go read a history book.
Every response seems to prove the opposite, that you lack common sense and that you do not question the nonsense you embrace.
Where is this evidence of which you claim? I don't see it and the reason is you and others do not provide it. What it proves, Mr. common sense, is that something is likely to be true. The lack of credible evidence proves something is likely not true. Have you ever been in a courtroom? Do you understand how they prove something is most likely to be true? Evidence.
Islam absolutely benefitted from 9/11. ISIS and other radical groups benefitted from 9/11. It emboldened them. The U.S. government did not benefit. They had to pay the victims billions. They had to create a new department of Homeland security, spending a lot of our money. They had to do exhaustive investigations of the attacks and they had to know that kooks wouldn't believe any of the findings, no matter how many pages of evidence they provided. There is now a cottage industry of conspiracy theories being embraced by feeble minded people who don't trust the government and can't be reached by simply showing them things like evidence that proves a plane, not a missile, hit the Pentagon.
Do you even realize that everything you posted above is false. Of course not. What I find amazing is that everything you say is exactly what I expect you to say. I even predict it. I say that next conspiracy person will refuse to provide any evidence for their theory and then you post a message refusing to provide any evidence, suggesting evidence doesn't prove anything. Say that to yourself a few times and let it soak in. Evidence doesn't prove anything. Sounds crazy doesn't it? Yet, some lunatic posted something far less compelling online somewhere, to attempt to create a conspiracy, and you bought it hook, line, and sinker, without question.
My next prediction is you will do it again. Your next response will be as void of evidence as your last one. To make it even more absurd, Ladybug is probably going to "like" your response.
Where is this evidence of which you claim? I don't see it and the reason is you and others do not provide it. What it proves, Mr. common sense, is that something is likely to be true. The lack of credible evidence proves something is likely not true. Have you ever been in a courtroom? Do you understand how they prove something is most likely to be true? Evidence.
Islam absolutely benefitted from 9/11. ISIS and other radical groups benefitted from 9/11. It emboldened them. The U.S. government did not benefit. They had to pay the victims billions. They had to create a new department of Homeland security, spending a lot of our money. They had to do exhaustive investigations of the attacks and they had to know that kooks wouldn't believe any of the findings, no matter how many pages of evidence they provided. There is now a cottage industry of conspiracy theories being embraced by feeble minded people who don't trust the government and can't be reached by simply showing them things like evidence that proves a plane, not a missile, hit the Pentagon.
Do you even realize that everything you posted above is false. Of course not. What I find amazing is that everything you say is exactly what I expect you to say. I even predict it. I say that next conspiracy person will refuse to provide any evidence for their theory and then you post a message refusing to provide any evidence, suggesting evidence doesn't prove anything. Say that to yourself a few times and let it soak in. Evidence doesn't prove anything. Sounds crazy doesn't it? Yet, some lunatic posted something far less compelling online somewhere, to attempt to create a conspiracy, and you bought it hook, line, and sinker, without question.
My next prediction is you will do it again. Your next response will be as void of evidence as your last one. To make it even more absurd, Ladybug is probably going to "like" your response.
I don't want to hijack this thread and take it in another direction necessarily but I happen to be well informed on the subject of global warming / climate change. I think it's safe to say that you are not informed on the subject. The bunch of scientists who share the theory of catastrophic global warming are absolutely linked, professionally and socially. That was the point. They shared grants provided they turned in specific findings. They exchanged emails socially, telling each other not to provide pier review to scientists who challenged their findings. They gave each other advice on how to hide data that contradicted their theories. Spend an hour pouring over data and findings of research scientists on WUWT https://wattsupwiththat.com/ and you will discover more than you've ever known on the topic.
To think that all Arabs wear head turbans shows profound ignorance of their culture. You could fill a warehouse with the things gathered from the crash sites. Human remains, wedding rings, credit cards, jewelry, shoes, luggage, plane parts, change, wallets.
When you say that "I think...", I have to question whether you really do think things out before you post messages here. I see no sign of thinking on your posts.
When you say that "I think...", I have to question whether you really do think things out before you post messages here. I see no sign of thinking on your posts.