Do you worry about Election interference

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What is your level of concern regarding Election integrity

  • 3. I am worried about election fraud in 2024

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Eli1

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Thank you, it's good to be on board.
I would like to know why you think your life is not impacted by elections? For instance, in 2021 when Trump left office, gas prices were $2.20 per gallen and inflation was less than 2%. Now gas prices are as high as $5.50 per gallen and inflation is over 3.5%.
That may not impact your life, you may be quite wealthy and are shielded from the horrors of not being able to make it from pay check to paycheck, Most Christians are not, and sometimes have to decide what bills you will not pay this month in order to make it.
So I have thought about it a lot. In order to make the kind of statement you made, tells me you are probably shielded from the impact of bad government somehow, and you don't have to worry at all or think much about it.
I wish we could do this over a coffee in real life, because here in text it's going to be very long and not as fun. :)
Here are some high-level ideas:

The United States Government was created with 3 branches to avoid dictatorships. The founders of this nation who came from Europe, did this on purpose to avoid the type of dictatorships found in Europe with kings and queens.
So, this means that a president alone, does not have absolute powers to make changes that you may have heard on Fox News.

The United States government model is by far the best in the world and it's less prone to dictatorship. Now, you may have been born here in USA so you have no idea what life was like in USSR or the old communist block, so you say a lot of Fox News talking points without realizing or appreciating that US, is so far the best government model or without being appreciative of your country.
Try living in Russia for a while and then you will kiss U.S. soil when you land at the airport.
That's what that lesbian, woke basketball player did who didn't want to kneel during the national anthem after she spent a few months in a Russian jail.

Let's start here. :):coffee:
 

stephen767

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I wish we could do this over a coffee in real life, because here in text it's going to be very long and not as fun. :)
Here are some high-level ideas:

The United States Government was created with 3 branches to avoid dictatorships. The founders of this nation who came from Europe, did this on purpose to avoid the type of dictatorships found in Europe with kings and queens.
So, this means that a president alone, does not have absolute powers to make changes that you may have heard on Fox News.

The United States government model is by far the best in the world and it's less prone to dictatorship. Now, you may have been born here in USA so you have no idea what life was like in USSR or the old communist block, so you say a lot of Fox News talking points without realizing or appreciating that US, is so far the best government model or without being appreciative of your country.
Try living in Russia for a while and then you will kiss U.S. soil when you land at the airport.
That's what that lesbian, woke basketball player did who didn't want to kneel during the national anthem after she spent a few months in a Russian jail.

Let's start here. :):coffee:
Since you single out Fox News, I take it that you are a very progressive Republican or a Democrat, perhaps a far-left Democrat. Furthermore, if you are not a Fox News fan, then I'm sure you would be comfortable with a Pravda-type media arrangement in America. You know, a controlled media that pretty much adheres to one controlled dialogue, and any opposition is banned, thrown into prison, or killed. I say that because Fox News only represents about 1/7 of the major TV media market (not including the internet), and Democrats cannot stand that Fox even exists, and they are furious they do not have 100% of the market. So where do you go to get your talking points?

This country has the best government in the world, no doubt. But as you know, it only takes a short time to remove the pillars of freedom, and our government turns into a banana republic like Venezuela.

For instance, if you never have another Republican president and the Democratic party controls all three branches of government, the door will be open to follow a course that they think is best for America. I can give you several scenarios that would allow the Democratic party to close the door on the Republicans and introduce a one-party system in the United States of America. Then, whatever they dictate will happen.
So, by controlling the 3 branches of government, they can look like a Democratic government, but they can create laws that lead people in the direction that the Democrats dictate. They control the judges to interpret those laws in the way that the Democrats dictate (constitutional or not). And they enforce those laws, just like a dictator would.

We are not far from that reality. If the Democrats steal this next election, as they did in 2020, you may not see another Republican president again, and it starts the ball rolling fast in the wrong direction. As you know, Russia and China are doing things that are making them act more like America. America is doing things that make them act more like Russia and China. Go figure.
 

Eli1

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Since you single out Fox News, I take it that you are a very progressive Republican or a Democrat, perhaps a far-left Democrat. Furthermore, if you are not a Fox News fan, then I'm sure you would be comfortable with a Pravda-type media arrangement in America. You know, a controlled media that pretty much adheres to one controlled dialogue, and any opposition is banned, thrown into prison, or killed. I say that because Fox News only represents about 1/7 of the major TV media market (not including the internet), and Democrats cannot stand that Fox even exists, and they are furious they do not have 100% of the market. So where do you go to get your talking points?

This country has the best government in the world, no doubt. But as you know, it only takes a short time to remove the pillars of freedom, and our government turns into a banana republic like Venezuela.

For instance, if you never have another Republican president and the Democratic party controls all three branches of government, the door will be open to follow a course that they think is best for America. I can give you several scenarios that would allow the Democratic party to close the door on the Republicans and introduce a one-party system in the United States of America. Then, whatever they dictate will happen.
So, by controlling the 3 branches of government, they can look like a Democratic government, but they can create laws that lead people in the direction that the Democrats dictate. They control the judges to interpret those laws in the way that the Democrats dictate (constitutional or not). And they enforce those laws, just like a dictator would.

We are not far from that reality. If the Democrats steal this next election, as they did in 2020, you may not see another Republican president again, and it starts the ball rolling fast in the wrong direction. As you know, Russia and China are doing things that are making them act more like America. America is doing things that make them act more like Russia and China. Go figure.
I can see by your responses that you're a very fast driver and you swallow bite-sized right-wing media talking points without slowing down and enjoying the scenic route. :)
I can see that since you mentioned words like "Venezuela" or "The steal" or "Pravda doomsday movie scenarios" and of course the best one that the "Republican party gives you salvation". :LOL:

However despite this confusion, we do agree that USA has a great government and a great standard of living. So, what are you complaining about? Have you tried living in Venezuela or Russia or China or Iraq so you can compare things, or do you just like to say Fox-News talking points?
Why don't you go live in China or Moscow and then come back and talk to me about these so-called "Democratic values" of China or Russia.
 

stephen767

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I can see by your responses that you're a very fast driver and you swallow bite-sized right-wing media talking points without slowing down and enjoying the scenic route. :)
I can see that since you mentioned words like "Venezuela" or "The steal" or "Pravda doomsday movie scenarios" and of course the best one that the "Republican party gives you salvation". :LOL:

However despite this confusion, we do agree that USA has a great government and a great standard of living. So, what are you complaining about? Have you tried living in Venezuela or Russia or China or Iraq so you can compare things, or do you just like to say Fox-News talking points?
Why don't you go live in China or Moscow and then come back and talk to me about these so-called "Democratic values" of China or Russia.
The Democrats did steal the 2020 elections and bought the judges that would adjudicate the results. Plenty of information about
"the steal" that just cannot make its way to a forum that can do anything about it.

Pravda is the Russian news agency. The only news agency in Russia. It only provides Russian propaganda to its people.

The Republican party is not necessarily our salvation. But it sometimes is in opposition to the Democrats who are taking our nation off the cliff at 1,000 miles per hour.

I will again agree with you that the USA is still the best government in the world, but it is teetering on disaster, as free elections are interfered with, free speech is hanging by a thread, inflation is gutting the middle and lower classes, interest rates are gutting the economy, state arrest laws are allowing felons to post no bail and go free after being caught stealing and committing all manner of crimes. I could go on and on.
I just want America to be like it was when I was 10. Those days are long gone, and every year we creep closer to what I believe living in Russia or China would be like. A strong dictatorship, with a super-rich class, very few in the middle class, and primarily those that are poor.

If you are oblivious and cannot see the creep toward Russia and China, you must be in the super-rich class. You must be watching all the news media except Fox News. Their sound bites are leading you joyfully on a wonderful scenic journey of America that is fast becoming a dictatorship. The sad thing is, you will not even know it is happening until it happens, and you can no longer see Fox News.
 

Eli1

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I just want America to be like it was when I was 10. Those days are long gone, and every year we creep closer to what I believe living in Russia or China would be like. A strong dictatorship, with a super-rich class, very few in the middle class, and primarily those that are poor.
I think this is the key right here because many can relate to it including myself. I also want things to go back how they were when i was 10, but this nostalgia should not make you incapable of moving forward in a constant state of change.
Nostalgia for most people (myself included) who had a childhood free from suffering, is a period of innocence and bliss so of course we all want to go back there free of responsibilities.
But, we then have to deal with the situation we are given, not the one we wish we had. And the tides of history are bigger than us and we should focus on God as believers to get back to that peace we had as children.
If you try to compare things with other nations U.S. still remains the best and I wasn't born in US, but i chose to live here and not in Europe because a lot of things are better here compared to Europe and i chose to live in NorthEast USA because i again looked at a whole set of things such as education, healthcare, safety and NorthEast seemed the best place to raise a family.
So i'm far from rich or any ultra-liberal that you thought of :) I just appreciate things, because i've seen worse.
Whereas you, might have seen only some talking points on TV :)

Yeah, things were better in the 90s in NewYork when it wasn't run by woke policies, but they're still better now compared to many places around the world.
So, appreciate what you have first.
 

stephen767

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I think this is the key right here because many can relate to it including myself. I also want things to go back how they were when i was 10, but this nostalgia should not make you incapable of moving forward in a constant state of change.
Nostalgia for most people (myself included) who had a childhood free from suffering, is a period of innocence and bliss so of course we all want to go back there free of responsibilities.
But, we then have to deal with the situation we are given, not the one we wish we had. And the tides of history are bigger than us and we should focus on God as believers to get back to that peace we had as children.
If you try to compare things with other nations U.S. still remains the best and I wasn't born in US, but i chose to live here and not in Europe because a lot of things are better here compared to Europe and i chose to live in NorthEast USA because i again looked at a whole set of things such as education, healthcare, safety and NorthEast seemed the best place to raise a family.
So i'm far from rich or any ultra-liberal that you thought of :) I just appreciate things, because i've seen worse.
Whereas you, might have seen only some talking points on TV :)

Yeah, things were better in the 90s in NewYork when it wasn't run by woke policies, but they're still better now compared to many places around the world.
So, appreciate what you have first.
Have you seen a trend in our government away from Democracy and towards communism? I did not live abroad, so I have not seen how other governments run, but I have noticed that things precious to freedom in America that are on the verge of being taken away from us. Do you notice the same things?
 

Eli1

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Have you seen a trend in our government away from Democracy and towards communism? I did not live abroad, so I have not seen how other governments run, but I have noticed that things precious to freedom in America that are on the verge of being taken away from us. Do you notice the same things?
What i notice here is fads, which then the rest of the world tries to copy (mainly Europe). Because i see how the young people in Europe respond to many topics. It's very similar to woke schools in US.
The gay fad and the woke fad to name a couple. I blame the internet for the rise of these views which is another fun topic, but as far as the functionality and process of the government, U.S. is good for many years to come.
There is so much money here that Biden just leaves about 9 billion dollars in equipment in Afghanistan.
There is so much money here that US military spends more than 6 more powerful nations combined.
So you're good and enjoy the scenic route. When you run out of money as a nation, then things will get serious, but now USA has money to wage a war with a country and then give that country a trillion dollars in aid.

This country will not become communist anytime soon, it's not in the nature, spirit or the dna of the nation.
These woke fads do have some effects which further divide the nation but compared to many areas of the world, it's still the best place.
 

stephen767

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What i notice here is fads, which then the rest of the world tries to copy (mainly Europe). Because i see how the young people in Europe respond to many topics. It's very similar to woke schools in US.
The gay fad and the woke fad to name a couple. I blame the internet for the rise of these views which is another fun topic, but as far as the functionality and process of the government, U.S. is good for many years to come.
There is so much money here that Biden just leaves about 9 billion dollars in equipment in Afghanistan.
There is so much money here that US military spends more than 6 more powerful nations combined.
So you're good and enjoy the scenic route. When you run out of money as a nation, then things will get serious, but now USA has money to wage a war with a country and then give that country a trillion dollars in aid.

This country will not become communist anytime soon, it's not in the nature, spirit or the dna of the nation.
These woke fads do have some effects which further divide the nation but compared to many areas of the world, it's still the best place.
Complacent people can change the nature, spirit, or DNA of a nation quickly.

If certain things happen, and the USA loses the good faith of the world, or our enemies create a situation where the good faith of our nation comes into doubt, our supply of money can practically vanish overnight. So your many years' scenario, to me is overly optimistic.

Do you think during the last 3 years, our nation has stayed the constitutional course? Are we better off after 3 years than we were under the Trump administration?

Let me tell you a few things that concerns me about where the country is headed:
1- the first thing Biden did when he became the president was to shut down the oil pipeline from Canada. That act alone cost our nation thousands of jobs. It was the prime cause of inflation that hit as high as 9%. When it got to 9% the democrats started to figure inflation a different way and with that different calculation inflation began to deceivingly ease up.

2- our free speech rights have been reduced because democrats cry about misinformation. They are the stars of misinformation, yet the different platforms owned by democrat supporters have allowed real misinformation to continue while any facts against democrat propaganda to be silenced. There are a few platforms that tell a different story, but they are far and in between what the democrats own and operate. Free speech is the foundation of our nation. We lose that and we are done for.

3- Democrats and Republicans are complicit in keeping our nations debts so high that any year we could be broke and out of business.

4- The Trump rally of 2021 on January 6 has produced hundreds of arrests that have kept these people in jail for years for trespassing. Nobody seems to care about these hapless people as they languish behind bars, many in solitary confinement for just being on the grounds that day. While the perpetrators of the real crime go unnoticed without any care of the FBI to bring them to justice. It is a black eye on America and most people don't even care.

I could go to 60 but time does not allow.

So are we headed the right way in your opinion?
 

Eli1

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Complacent people can change the nature, spirit, or DNA of a nation quickly.

If certain things happen, and the USA loses the good faith of the world, or our enemies create a situation where the good faith of our nation comes into doubt, our supply of money can practically vanish overnight. So your many years' scenario, to me is overly optimistic.

Do you think during the last 3 years, our nation has stayed the constitutional course? Are we better off after 3 years than we were under the Trump administration?

Let me tell you a few things that concerns me about where the country is headed:
1- the first thing Biden did when he became the president was to shut down the oil pipeline from Canada. That act alone cost our nation thousands of jobs. It was the prime cause of inflation that hit as high as 9%. When it got to 9% the democrats started to figure inflation a different way and with that different calculation inflation began to deceivingly ease up.

2- our free speech rights have been reduced because democrats cry about misinformation. They are the stars of misinformation, yet the different platforms owned by democrat supporters have allowed real misinformation to continue while any facts against democrat propaganda to be silenced. There are a few platforms that tell a different story, but they are far and in between what the democrats own and operate. Free speech is the foundation of our nation. We lose that and we are done for.

3- Democrats and Republicans are complicit in keeping our nations debts so high that any year we could be broke and out of business.

4- The Trump rally of 2021 on January 6 has produced hundreds of arrests that have kept these people in jail for years for trespassing. Nobody seems to care about these hapless people as they languish behind bars, many in solitary confinement for just being on the grounds that day. While the perpetrators of the real crime go unnoticed without any care of the FBI to bring them to justice. It is a black eye on America and most people don't even care.

I could go to 60 but time does not allow.

So are we headed the right way in your opinion?
United States is an empire.
Empires have a certain path to walk on and they’re bound by their fate it seems.
An empire is usually defined by a strong military and plenty of abundance in wealth and materials.
This is what USA has right now.
When the status of the empire expires, then maybe people might try communism, but I doubt it, taking into consideration the spirit of this nation.

This country remains very stable compared to many other areas of the world.
You have not been affected by many long wars in your soil and are protected by two oceans and friendly nations in the north and south.
You’ve only had a civil war which still affects your nation’s psyche but in Europe they had wars or skirmishes over the weekend which is why Europe is tired of wars now and they want to take long vacations and they’ve passed the empire baton to USA.
So your ideas of instability in relation to history or other nations are minor.
You got nothing to worry about here.
This country has abundance.

At the hospital I work at, there are young students who want to be doctors who come from France, Germany, Italy, Greece , Spain , Norway, Israel to name a few. They come here to practice their residency and they get paid.
None of them want to go back to their countries because they get better pay here.

My friend who came from Greece as a master plumber, worked for 20 years in Greece and didn’t even own a home.
He’s been in usa for 6 years, owns a home and makes more money than he ever did in Greece. He’s married and has one daughter who goes to college.

So you got nothing to worry about.
There’s plenty of abundance here, be adaptable and enjoy the prosperity.
 

ResidentAlien

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Hello, the foundation of a free society is an interference-free election. Otherwise you will end up with the far-far-far-left communist party. Good luck with that. Perhaps you will enjoy working for $1.40 per hour and 80 hours a week with only 6 non-paid vacation days a year.
Go ahead and worry, that's your right. I'm at peace.
 

ZNP

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So are we headed the right way in your opinion?
What everyone on earth is seeing is the Satanists coming out of the shadows and into the spotlight. We see this at the Superbowl, at various awards shows, at the Olympics and various international events. You see this at rock concerts, you see this with government leaders being exposed for their corruption, their association with Epstein island or human trafficking. But you should understand that part of that is due to Satan being dragged out of the shadows. A thief does not want to be exposed, a liar and a murderer does not want to be exposed.

So for all this negative stuff we see happening you should realize it is due to "the restrainer". Think of Spirit filled believers as one side of a tug of war with the Satanists on the other side. Atheists are fools, it is not Christians vs Atheists it is Christ filled beleivers vs Satanists. The Satanists have ruled the world for thousands of years because the fallen ones have worked with them. It is the kingdom of darkness that Paul told us about. Most people are useful idiots. So although "most" people identify as "Christians" only a small percentage of them are truly Spirit filled. Three simple questions on the checklist to determine where you are in your spiritual walk.

1. Are you a constructive member of your church, serving, praying, and avoiding gossip and being separated from the drunken who are eating and drinking with the world.

2. If so, do you have a daily time with the Lord, in His word, in prayer, time that is set aside for the Lord. Not simply listening to a Christian radio show as you drive to work. Do you read through the Bible each year? Are your prayers answered?

3. If so, are you also involved in ministry for the Lord Jesus? Are people being saved and healed and delivered from the kingdom of darkness as a result? Do you have a testimony of how in the last seven days the ministry you are in has taken it to the kingdom of darkness?

If the answer to these three things is yes, then when you look at what is happening in the world you are full of thanksgiving because these are all a result of the restrainer pulling the Satanists out of the shadows and into the light. If on the other hand you feel confused about what is going on, helpless, then you are still in darkness.
 

stephen767

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United States is an empire.
Empires have a certain path to walk on and they’re bound by their fate it seems.
An empire is usually defined by a strong military and plenty of abundance in wealth and materials.
This is what USA has right now.
When the status of the empire expires, then maybe people might try communism, but I doubt it, taking into consideration the spirit of this nation.

This country remains very stable compared to many other areas of the world.
You have not been affected by many long wars in your soil and are protected by two oceans and friendly nations in the north and south.
You’ve only had a civil war which still affects your nation’s psyche but in Europe they had wars or skirmishes over the weekend which is why Europe is tired of wars now and they want to take long vacations and they’ve passed the empire baton to USA.
So your ideas of instability in relation to history or other nations are minor.
You got nothing to worry about here.
This country has abundance.

At the hospital I work at, there are young students who want to be doctors who come from France, Germany, Italy, Greece , Spain , Norway, Israel to name a few. They come here to practice their residency and they get paid.
None of them want to go back to their countries because they get better pay here.

My friend who came from Greece as a master plumber, worked for 20 years in Greece and didn’t even own a home.
He’s been in usa for 6 years, owns a home and makes more money than he ever did in Greece. He’s married and has one daughter who goes to college.

So you got nothing to worry about.
There’s plenty of abundance here, be adaptable and enjoy the prosperity.
I will reiterate, the abundance we have can vanish as if overnight if the people are not watching and ever faithful to the values of our founding fathers and to God. The leadership of the nation now is pretty much godless. I hope we can change that before God loses patience with us.
 

stephen767

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Go ahead and worry, that's your right. I'm at peace.
I am glad you are at peace. Be watchful, for your peace can change quickly. Jesus is not pleased with things that are going on in our nation, and he will not allow it to continue without consequences. For instance, your wife or your girlfriend can now have an abortion in the last trimester of birth, when the baby is about ready to be born. Killed for the sake of not having to shoulder the responsibility of parenthood. Killed, so a person can go out and have fun every night. If, by the way, they get pregnant again, they just abort another human life for the sake of expediency.

How long will God let us thrive as a peaceful nation?

So peace be unto you until you don't have it anymore.
 

Eli1

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I will reiterate, the abundance we have can vanish as if overnight if the people are not watching and ever faithful to the values of our founding fathers and to God. The leadership of the nation now is pretty much godless. I hope we can change that before God loses patience with us.
So if you don't have something, you worry how are you going to get it, and when you get it you worry that you might lose it.
Why do you beat yourself up like this?
 

stephen767

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What everyone on earth is seeing is the Satanists coming out of the shadows and into the spotlight. We see this at the Superbowl, at various awards shows, at the Olympics and various international events. You see this at rock concerts, you see this with government leaders being exposed for their corruption, their association with Epstein island or human trafficking. But you should understand that part of that is due to Satan being dragged out of the shadows. A thief does not want to be exposed, a liar and a murderer does not want to be exposed.

So for all this negative stuff we see happening you should realize it is due to "the restrainer". Think of Spirit filled believers as one side of a tug of war with the Satanists on the other side. Atheists are fools, it is not Christians vs Atheists it is Christ filled beleivers vs Satanists. The Satanists have ruled the world for thousands of years because the fallen ones have worked with them. It is the kingdom of darkness that Paul told us about. Most people are useful idiots. So although "most" people identify as "Christians" only a small percentage of them are truly Spirit filled. Three simple questions on the checklist to determine where you are in your spiritual walk.

1. Are you a constructive member of your church, serving, praying, and avoiding gossip and being separated from the drunken who are eating and drinking with the world.

2. If so, do you have a daily time with the Lord, in His word, in prayer, time that is set aside for the Lord. Not simply listening to a Christian radio show as you drive to work. Do you read through the Bible each year? Are your prayers answered?

3. If so, are you also involved in ministry for the Lord Jesus? Are people being saved and healed and delivered from the kingdom of darkness as a result? Do you have a testimony of how in the last seven days the ministry you are in has taken it to the kingdom of darkness?

If the answer to these three things is yes, then when you look at what is happening in the world you are full of thanksgiving because these are all a result of the restrainer pulling the Satanists out of the shadows and into the light. If on the other hand you feel confused about what is going on, helpless, then you are still in darkness.
Thank you for that, and I pray every day that God is still in charge and that the USA is still a nation that has much good to offer the world. I hope that for the sake of the Christian church and all other good peoples the Lord will get us past these satanists and preserve us a nation, for his glory.
 

stephen767

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So if you don't have something, you worry how are you going to get it, and when you get it you worry that you might lose it.
Why do you beat yourself up like this?
All I am saying is if we are faithful to God and our values, we will not lose them, but if we are not, we can. For the last 3.5 years our leadership has not been faithful, and it is spreading outward quickly. I am afraid if we do not remedy this situation in November, the nation may turn into a European or Mexican type country. Why are people fleeing Europe and Mexico, and coming to America. Yet they seem poised to create Mexico and Europe again here in America. Good going?
 

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So peace be unto you until you don't have it anymore.
What could possibly take my peace away? It doesn't come from this world so how can anything in this world take it from me?
 

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Thank you for that, and I pray every day that God is still in charge and that the USA is still a nation that has much good to offer the world. I hope that for the sake of the Christian church and all other good peoples the Lord will get us past these satanists and preserve us a nation, for his glory.
And I pray that the Lord's will will be done. Amen.