Christian Nationalism (This deserves it's own thread)

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JTB

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What is different exactly?
It's teaching people how God would have things done, but leaving people with the choice to obey or not (which Jesus did), vs codifying it and forcing people to comply (which is what a lot of Christians are trying to do these days).
 

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What do you think the Europeans owed to those they found here? Did the "native Americans own the whole country?
They occupied the whole country. They didn't believe in owning the land, they believed in being a part and steward of the land.
 

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I live, yet not I; Christ lives within me. While it is a cooperative effort, our cooperation is in yielding; not doing. Apart from Christ we can do nothing.

What do you believe walking in the Spirit consists in?
I would say yielding includes doing.

Jesus even said, in His Name we will do what He has done and more.

Not watch Him do it, but we do it in His Name.
 

JTB

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Oh, basically a rip off of Sharia law.

Can you point me to a church and pastor that have clearly endorsed a Christian version of Sharia law for the US?
Christianity teaches that homosexuality is a sin. Christian nationalism passes a law that homosexuality is illegal.

Christianity teaches that abortion is a sin. Christian nationalism passes a law that abortion is illegal.

Christianity teaches that worshipping another god is a sin. Christian nationalism passes a law that worshipping another god is illegal.

I could go on but I think this makes the point
 

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I would say yielding includes doing.

Jesus even said, in His Name we will do what He has done and more.

Not watch Him do it, but we do it in His Name.
I agree there will be doing, but it is the direction of doing I am referring to. That is, who is sourcing the direction. We are yoked to Christ if we are moving as He moves. Christ Himself was yoked to the Father and did only what He saw the Father do. I imagine walking in the Spirit this same way...living in the moment by moment presence of God and fellowshipping and communing with Him...John 14:23. And out of this would flow our actions...Ephesians 2:10.
 
With apologies to Jeff Foxworthy...
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If you want Jesus to be President, you might be a Christian Nationalist.

If you want the Bible to be the codified law of the land, you might be a Christian Nationalist.

If you think all Americans should be forced to believe as you do, you might be a Christian Nationalist.

If you think those who believe differently than you should be silenced and jailed, you might be a Christian Nationalist.

If you think God would appoint someone who is the antithesis of His Ways to usher in Christian rule, you might be a Christian Nationalist.

If you think you can vote your way out from under future prophesy, you might be a Christian Nationalist.

If you think the Cross and the American flag belong together, you might be a Christian Nationalist.

If you think Jesus wore an "I love the USA" t-shirt, you might be a Christian Nationalist.

If you are looking for an earthly ruler to fix a spiritual problem, you might be a Christian Nationalist.
Hello JTB,

I read this post earlier, but while I get what you are saying, it does seem like a caricature/ It is early in this discussion, but I think the list you offer is not exactly said to be imposed by force, but rather there is to be less government, and more teaching by godly living. watch this if time permits;www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGLThab4clw&t=3167s
 
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Christianity teaches that homosexuality is a sin. Christian nationalism passes a law that homosexuality is illegal.

Christianity teaches that abortion is a sin. Christian nationalism passes a law that abortion is illegal.

Christianity teaches that worshipping another god is a sin. Christian nationalism passes a law that worshipping another god is illegal.

I could go on but I think this makes the point
Yeah exactly. The only reason to want same-sex Mary should be illegal is religious reasons and the first amendment to the
Christianity teaches that homosexuality is a sin. Christian nationalism passes a law that homosexuality is illegal.

Christianity teaches that abortion is a sin. Christian nationalism passes a law that abortion is illegal.

Christianity teaches that worshipping another god is a sin. Christian nationalism passes a law that worshipping another god is illegal.

I could go on but I think this makes the point
Yes. Exactly this... They think because the Bible says something is wrong then it should be illegal. When the first amendment to the Constitution makes it abundantly clear that all laws are to have a secular purpose and the only reason to ban same-sex marriage is religious reasons

And then they have the audacity to pretend to be persecuted when the rest of society says no, you don't get to use a law to push your religion on us
 

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Remember when everyone called Obama the Antichrist just because he didn't pander to Christians like Trump?
Same with Kamala
Sorry, just would like to see a post about what you said earlier about people on this forum (Post #112) who say "Christianity is to be the official state religion and that Christianity is to be privileged above all other religions So basically, if you're not Christian, your rights don't matter"
 

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Sorry, just would like to see a post about what you said earlier about people on this forum (Post #112) who say "Christianity is to be the official state religion and that Christianity is to be privileged above all other religions So basically, if you're not Christian, your rights don't matter"
maybe there is not one that can be shown??

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putting western "traditions" over what the bible says. men don't wear skirts (even if it's a kilt) pants were totally what the disciples wore, they ban men from wearing anything outside the walmart "man Box" women of course can wear anything.
 

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Christianity teaches that homosexuality is a sin. Christian nationalism passes a law that homosexuality is illegal.

Christianity teaches that abortion is a sin. Christian nationalism passes a law that abortion is illegal.

Christianity teaches that worshipping another god is a sin. Christian nationalism passes a law that worshipping another god is illegal.

I could go on but I think this makes the point
I am not aware of anyone trying to pass a law that worshipping an other god other than worshipping Jesus is illegal, especially not on this forum, so if you could direct me to that post I would appreciate it.

I do know the Noahide laws are making it illegal to worship Jesus, that is something that is real, so as usual this assumed threat of Christian nationalism is likely projection, at least in part by those trying to outlaw Evangelical Christians.

Also, passing a law against abortion being practiced is simply democracy in action. It is pure evil to assume that aborting babies is an inherent right that society should support.

As for making homosexuality a crime that sounds like legalism, and it is far more common in Muslim countries so I see no reason to characterize that as "Christian nationalism". I think that is simply legalism or extremism and does not come with a Christian brand.
 
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putting western "traditions" over what the bible says. men don't wear skirts (even if it's a kilt) pants were totally what the disciples wore, they ban men from wearing anything outside the walmart "man Box" women of course can wear anything.
Tradition is just peer pressure from dead people
 
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Probably one of the biggest lies I hear coming from some Christian nationalists is the idea that the US was uniquely chosen by God to stand as a bulwark against all the evils of the world. Anyone who has any familiarity with God's word knows the US doesn't fill this role, but His ekklesia does. But for Christian nationalists, it's not enough to be a follower of Jesus Christ, you must also be a patriotic American. Only by doing this can the world be saved from evil. So I guess all those people in other lands who are faithfully following Christ, under severe persecution in many cases, don't matter.
 
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Probably one of the biggest lies I hear coming from some Christian nationalists is the idea that the US was uniquely chosen by God to stand as a bulwark against all the evils of the world. Anyone who has any familiarity with God's word knows the US doesn't fill this role, but His ekklesia does. But for Christian nationalists, it's not enough to be a follower of Jesus Christ, you must also be a patriotic American. Only by doing this can the world be saved from evil. So I guess all those people in other lands who are faithfully following Christ, under severe persecution in many cases, don't matter.
I wish every American would read the founding myth by Andrew Seidel
 
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It's teaching people how God would have things done, but leaving people with the choice to obey or not (which Jesus did), vs codifying it and forcing people to comply (which is what a lot of Christians are trying to do these days).
So we should just allow murder and rape and chaos in the streets? Which is pretty close to where we are.
 
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I would say yielding includes doing.

Jesus even said, in His Name we will do what He has done and more.

Not watch Him do it, but we do it in His Name.
We totally agree on this one! If only Christians could grab hold of it. We'd see a lot more people healed.
 
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Christianity teaches that homosexuality is a sin. Christian nationalism passes a law that homosexuality is illegal.

Christianity teaches that abortion is a sin. Christian nationalism passes a law that abortion is illegal.

Christianity teaches that worshipping another god is a sin. Christian nationalism passes a law that worshipping another god is illegal.

I could go on but I think this makes the point
So again, murder, rape, theft, and dozens of others laws, they should all be abolished in your opinion?
 
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Probably one of the biggest lies I hear coming from some Christian nationalists is the idea that the US was uniquely chosen by God to stand as a bulwark against all the evils of the world. Anyone who has any familiarity with God's word knows the US doesn't fill this role, but His ekklesia does. But for Christian nationalists, it's not enough to be a follower of Jesus Christ, you must also be a patriotic American. Only by doing this can the world be saved from evil. So I guess all those people in other lands who are faithfully following Christ, under severe persecution in many cases, don't matter.

Christian nationalism is made up by the MSM to cause fear over Trump voters. But RA knows this.