ALERT: THE VACCINE MIGHT BE THE MARK OF THE BEAST

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california health dept. is recommending a pause on the moderna vax after several adverse reactions.
Actually the pause applies only to a specific batch lot 41L20A of the Moderna. I am letting everyone know this in case you see a social media post saying that they have halted the vaccine due to severe allergic reactions. NOT TRUE.

After allergic reactions at 1 clinic, California pauses use of large batch of Moderna COVID-19 vaccine

by: Nouran Salahieh
Posted: Jan 17, 2021 / 10:13 PM PST / Updated: Jan 18, 2021 / 12:04 PM PST

After several people had apparent allergic reactions at one California clinic, state health officials on Sunday told providers across the state to pause administering doses from one COVID-19 vaccine lot that arrived from Moderna.

The move, made “out of an extreme abundance of caution,” means that 330,000 doses distributed to 287 providers across the state can’t be used amid an already slow vaccine rollout.

“A higher-than-usual number of possible allergic reactions were reported with a specific lot of Moderna vaccine administered at one community vaccination clinic,” California State Epidemiologist Dr. Erica Pan said.
Officials said fewer than 10 people needed medical attention over the span of 24 hours, but didn’t clarify what their allergic reactions were.

“All appeared to be experiencing a possible severe allergic reaction during the standard observation period – a type of adverse event that the CDC reports some people have experienced when receiving a COVID-19 vaccine,” state health officials said in a news release.
The reactions are under investigation.

Meanwhile, providers were told to use doses from other available vaccine inventory until the investigation is complete. The pause applies only to one lot that came from Moderna, and not all the vaccine doses from the company.

The 330,000 doses of the affected lot arrived in California between Jan. 5 and 12 and were distributed across the state.
Health officials reminded residents that risk of a serious adverse reaction to the COVID-19 vaccine is very small, and the expected rate of anaphylaxis is about 1 in 100,000.

“The state has not been notified of any other cluster or individual events related to this lot,” officials said.

The clinic that had the allergic reactions switched to another lot of Moderna vaccine after closing for a few hours, according to the state. Official’s didn’t disclose the clinic’s name or location.
The manufacturer, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and U.S. Food and Drug Administration are reviewing the lot and related medical information.
In a recommendation letter sent to providers Sunday, the state health department said it recognizes the extremely limited supply of vaccine, but added that there were no immediate replacement doses available during the pause.
 
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And social media won't (EVER) try to censor free speech.
I don't think that it is realistic, (or reality) to imagine multiple millions of health care workers keeping secrets. Or that the many millions of people reporting to apps like VSAFE and the many disparate organizations with eyes on the data being able to coverup. It is not one entity that has eyes on it. It is not possible for Pfyzer or Moderna to cover up something that is already been made public world wide.

But if you imagine a scenario that does not exist, like only Pfyzer knowing about the adverse affect then you can imagine a coverup. But that is not reality. It is an imagination. :)
 

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This is the guy who made ALL of the Vaccines possible so quickly...this has been his field of study for decades...right here in Nashville TN. He was there for SARS and MERS.
 

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Interesting, now.... what does Holy Spirit lead one to? IF we are Christian, that is where our truth comes from.
 

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Why Hardly Anyone Trusts The Virus 'Experts'
TUESDAY, JAN 19, 2021 - 10:05
Authored by John Rubino via DollarCollapse.com,
Early in the pandemic, “trust the science!” could actually be used in a debate without attracting derisive laughter. But as the flip-flops, mistakes and, yes, lies have accumulated, a consensus seems to be forming that the health care authorities are no more trustworthy than the people running Congress or the Fed.
For proof, let’s start with vitamin D, which sure seems to lessen the severity of coronavirus infections. As the chart below illustrates (couldn’t find the source, but google “covid vitamin D” and you’ll find lots of studies that track with this data), people with higher levels of vitamin D in their bloodstream tend to experience covid-19 as a non-event while people low levels found the infection life-threatening.



There are obvious questions about causality here, so calling vitamin D a “cure” is going way too far. But if it has even a marginal effect – and the data suggest considerably more — a rational government would, you’d think, be handing out vitamin D like Halloween candy. In fact, since we’re mandating/prohibiting all kinds of other behaviors, we might expect vitamin D consumption to be required along with masks and social distancing.
Even covid-czar Anthony Fauci recently said:
“If you are deficient in vitamin D, that does have an impact on your susceptibility to infection. So I would not mind recommending — and I do it myself — taking vitamin D supplements.”​
So why aren’t family-sized bottles of vitamin D arriving in the mail from the CDC? A cynic might wonder if the fact that Big Pharma doesn’t make much money from cheap, widely available supplements plays a role in the government’s apparent lack of interest.
Now about those lockdowns. Tom Woods has been producing charts that appear to show virtually no difference in virus outcomes between US states with aggressive lockdown policies and those without. California, for instance, has shuttered most of its small businesses and imposed widespread curfews, while Florida hasn’t. Here’s the result:


As for the rest of the world – where they’re supposedly doing better than the US – the pattern of zero correlation between lockdowns and virus spread seems to be holding. France imposed a full national lockdown in March – after which the virus spiked. Then they added mask mandates (indoor and outdoor), with fines attached. And daily new cases soared.

Then of course there’s the lying. Dr. Fauci first claimed that masks don’t help – when he believed they did help — because he feared mask shortages for health care workers. He also admits to changing the official line on herd immunity according to what he thinks we’re ready to hear.
And, in what sounds more like incompetence than dishonesty, he’s apparently been answering the question “when will life go back to normal?” with whatever pops into his head at the time. In early 2020, it was the coming Autumn. In July, it was “a year or so.” More recently it’s “well into 2021.”
But the biggest and by far the most outrageous reason for this growing mistrust has to be the World Health Organization which, well, read for yourself:
WHO official urges world leaders to stop using lockdowns as primary virus control method
The World Health Organization’s special envoy on COVID-19 urged world leaders this week to stop “using lockdowns as your primary control method.”
“We in the World Health Organization do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus,” Dr. David Nabarro said to The Spectator’s Andrew Neil. “The only time we believe a lockdown is justified is to buy you time to reorganize, regroup, rebalance your resources, protect your health workers who are exhausted, but by and large, we’d rather not do it.”
Nabarro went on to point out several of the negative consequences lockdowns have caused across the world, including devastating tourism industries and increased hunger and poverty.
“Just look at what’s happened to the tourism industry in the Caribbean, for example, or in the Pacific because people aren’t taking their holidays,” he said. “Look what’s happened to smallholder farmers all over the world. … Look what’s happening to poverty levels. It seems that we may well have a doubling of world poverty by next year. We may well have at least a doubling of child malnutrition.”
In the United States, lockdowns have been tied to increased thoughts of suicide from children, a surge in drug overdoses, an uptick in domestic violence, and a study conducted in May concluded that stress and anxiety from lockdowns could destroy seven times the years of life that lockdowns potentially save.​
 
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Why Hardly Anyone Trusts The Virus 'Experts'
TUESDAY, JAN 19, 2021 - 10:05
Authored by John Rubino via DollarCollapse.com,
Early in the pandemic, “trust the science!” could actually be used in a debate without attracting derisive laughter. But as the flip-flops, mistakes and, yes, lies have accumulated, a consensus seems to be forming that the health care authorities are no more trustworthy than the people running Congress or the Fed.
For proof, let’s start with vitamin D, which sure seems to lessen the severity of coronavirus infections. As the chart below illustrates (couldn’t find the source, but google “covid vitamin D” and you’ll find lots of studies that track with this data), people with higher levels of vitamin D in their bloodstream tend to experience covid-19 as a non-event while people low levels found the infection life-threatening.



There are obvious questions about causality here, so calling vitamin D a “cure” is going way too far. But if it has even a marginal effect – and the data suggest considerably more — a rational government would, you’d think, be handing out vitamin D like Halloween candy. In fact, since we’re mandating/prohibiting all kinds of other behaviors, we might expect vitamin D consumption to be required along with masks and social distancing.
Even covid-czar Anthony Fauci recently said:
“If you are deficient in vitamin D, that does have an impact on your susceptibility to infection. So I would not mind recommending — and I do it myself — taking vitamin D supplements.”​
So why aren’t family-sized bottles of vitamin D arriving in the mail from the CDC? A cynic might wonder if the fact that Big Pharma doesn’t make much money from cheap, widely available supplements plays a role in the government’s apparent lack of interest.
Now about those lockdowns. Tom Woods has been producing charts that appear to show virtually no difference in virus outcomes between US states with aggressive lockdown policies and those without. California, for instance, has shuttered most of its small businesses and imposed widespread curfews, while Florida hasn’t. Here’s the result:


As for the rest of the world – where they’re supposedly doing better than the US – the pattern of zero correlation between lockdowns and virus spread seems to be holding. France imposed a full national lockdown in March – after which the virus spiked. Then they added mask mandates (indoor and outdoor), with fines attached. And daily new cases soared.

Then of course there’s the lying. Dr. Fauci first claimed that masks don’t help – when he believed they did help — because he feared mask shortages for health care workers. He also admits to changing the official line on herd immunity according to what he thinks we’re ready to hear.
And, in what sounds more like incompetence than dishonesty, he’s apparently been answering the question “when will life go back to normal?” with whatever pops into his head at the time. In early 2020, it was the coming Autumn. In July, it was “a year or so.” More recently it’s “well into 2021.”
But the biggest and by far the most outrageous reason for this growing mistrust has to be the World Health Organization which, well, read for yourself:
The World Health Organization’s special envoy on COVID-19 urged world leaders this week to stop “using lockdowns as your primary control method.”​
“We in the World Health Organization do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus,” Dr. David Nabarro said to The Spectator’s Andrew Neil. “The only time we believe a lockdown is justified is to buy you time to reorganize, regroup, rebalance your resources, protect your health workers who are exhausted, but by and large, we’d rather not do it.”​
Nabarro went on to point out several of the negative consequences lockdowns have caused across the world, including devastating tourism industries and increased hunger and poverty.​
“Just look at what’s happened to the tourism industry in the Caribbean, for example, or in the Pacific because people aren’t taking their holidays,” he said. “Look what’s happened to smallholder farmers all over the world. … Look what’s happening to poverty levels. It seems that we may well have a doubling of world poverty by next year. We may well have at least a doubling of child malnutrition.”​
In the United States, lockdowns have been tied to increased thoughts of suicide from children, a surge in drug overdoses, an uptick in domestic violence, and a study conducted in May concluded that stress and anxiety from lockdowns could destroy seven times the years of life that lockdowns potentially save.​
I find the information about Vitamin D is worth studying. No question about it. And I agree with the statement calling vitamin D a “cure” is going way too far. I checked my vitamin supplements a while back when this information about Vitamin D was first discussed and made sure my vitamins had the required daily amount.
 

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I find the information about Vitamin D is worth studying. No question about it. And I agree with the statement calling vitamin D a “cure” is going way too far. I checked my vitamin supplements a while back when this information about Vitamin D was first discussed and made sure my vitamins had the required daily amount.

if you do little research, you will find tht vitamin D deficiency is common in people who get covid.
 

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My prediction is that after they get to their 70-90% "herd immunity", it will "suddenly" come out that "x" amount of people died or were badly injured during the push to vaccinate. They won't let anything big slip now, as it would scare too many people from getting the vaccine.

Just like they hid the news of Hunter Biden and his laptop and then, lo and behold! Three months later there was "breaking news!" about Hunter Biden and his laptop.
 
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if you do little research, you will find tht vitamin D deficiency is common in people who get covid.
Correct me if I am wrong but I thought that the data is suggesting that it might be a reason why some don't get critically ill. That many who die are Vit D deficient.

Did is say that it keeps people from getting COVID at all?

As I said, It does seem to be worth studying and they are currently going through the scientific testing to determine the facts.

However I wait for the studies to come in over time to see what the science actually determines. It is dumb to conclude that taking Vitamin D cures Covid or makes you immune to COVID, which is not what any scientist is suggesting. What it suggests is that it might be a difference in why some don't get critically ill.

There are people die who are not Vit D deficient. So it is not so simple as to say that is all it takes to keep from getting COVID.

Meanwhile I am taking supplements that have Vitamin D and will make a point of getting some sun the next time I see it. It is currently snowing again. *sigh

And why the Government would focus on getting a vaccine to all Americans verses a treatment is to save hundreds of thousands of lives with a proven tested CURE instead of treatments that might possible help a small percentage while hundreds of thousands continue to die. I know that was obvious but for some reason logic has been presented in previous posts that mediocre treatments are equal to 95% effective vaccines.
 

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There are growing reports of sterility, impotence, and infertility stemming from even "mild" infections.

No word yet on expected birth defects...
But I'm imagining that a prophecy is going to come true about several women sharing one man and more begging to be married to him.

That's not a stretch of imagination at this point...it might have been two years ago...but not after this pandemic.
 
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My prediction is that after they get to their 70-90% "herd immunity", it will "suddenly" come out that "x" amount of people died or were badly injured during the push to vaccinate. They won't let anything big slip now, as it would scare too many people from getting the vaccine.

Just like they hid the news of Hunter Biden and his laptop and then, lo and behold! Three months later there was "breaking news!" about Hunter Biden and his laptop.
But how would they hide it if they were not the only ones who knew about it? Who is THEY? Pfizer? How could Pfizer hide a death when the entire antivaxxer community is waiting with fingers on their Youtube editing software for the first case to show up so that they can create the video that will go viral and get their youtube followers?

There are thousands of other people and organizations monitoring every person who receives a vaccine. Your theory would only work if Pfizer was controlling visibility of who got the vaccine and what happened to them. They aren't. If someone flatulates too loud immediately after getting the shot it will be on a video or report in hours. "COVID JAB CAUSES GAS"
 

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Correct me if I am wrong but I thought that the data is suggesting that it might be a reason why some don't get critically ill. That many who die are Vit D deficient.

Did is say that it keeps people from getting COVID at all?

As I said, It does seem to be worth studying and they are currently going through the scientific testing to determine the facts.

However I wait for the studies to come in over time to see what the science actually determines. It is dumb to conclude that taking Vitamin D cures Covid or makes you immune to COVID, which is not what any scientist is suggesting. What it suggests is that it might be a difference in why some don't get critically ill.

There are people die who are not Vit D deficient. So it is not so simple as to say that is all it takes to keep from getting COVID.

Meanwhile I am taking supplements that have Vitamin D and will make a point of getting some sun the next time I see it. It is currently snowing again. *sigh

And why the Government would focus on getting a vaccine to all Americans verses a treatment is to save hundreds of thousands of lives with a proven tested CURE instead of treatments that might possible help a small percentage while hundreds of thousands continue to die. I know that was obvious but for some reason logic has been presented in previous posts that mediocre treatments are equal to 95% effective vaccines.
i did not say that vitamin d cures or prevents covid.

i am saying that deficiency in D ( i am citing a healthline / medcate story) increases the chances of getting covid.

both stories report that over 50% of covid patents who come to the hospitals have deficiency .

so, based on that, making sure one gets enough vitamin d will make it less likely that one gets covid.

that, mr. scribe, is called deductive reasoning, something that the whole covid thing has killed.
 

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But how would they hide it if they were not the only ones who knew about it? Who is THEY?
You cannot be for real!

They control all information with the msm, google, YouTube, Facebook, etc.. and seek to destroy and suppress any factual information or thoughts, that don’t conform to their narrative.

In this realm, their narrative is that covid19 is as bad as the bubonic plague, and that businesses and freedoms must be lost to control it. Also that the vaccine is the savior of the world.

And when we find and put news out from places they haven’t choked the life out of yet, that counter that narrative, you claim the info presented isn’t true because the sites are unreliable!! At some point aren’t you going to get angry at realizing they’ve made you one of their “useful idiots”?
 
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i did not say that vitamin d cures or prevents covid.

i am saying that deficiency in D ( i am citing a healthline / medcate story) increases the chances of getting covid.

both stories report that over 50% of covid patents who come to the hospitals have deficiency .

so, based on that, making sure one gets enough vitamin d will make it less likely that one gets covid.

that, mr. scribe, is called deductive reasoning, something that the whole covid thing has killed.
Maybe there is a link. I am not saying there is not. And I am not trying to pick on you. It is just that there are so many other possible explanations that I cannot make the same conclusion you did based on what you just said.

Logic suggests that if taking Vitamin D could reduce the number of COVID infections by 50% the bell shaped curve would have already begun to drop.
 

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PennEd- must be talking to a reprobate scribe?
I believe we are seeing those who like mentioned in Romans have been given over to a depraved mind, and this is a further separating as He said of His sheep from the goats. So much in his realm is a process, one little step followed by another little step, or as in Isaiah 28, "line upon line, precept upon precept".
 
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i did not say that vitamin d cures or prevents covid.

i am saying that deficiency in D ( i am citing a healthline / medcate story) increases the chances of getting covid.

both stories report that over 50% of covid patents who come to the hospitals have deficiency .

so, based on that, making sure one gets enough vitamin d will make it less likely that one gets covid.

that, mr. scribe, is called deductive reasoning, something that the whole covid thing has killed.
So I just read the following documented scientific study and the conclusion is as follows:

Vitamin D deficiency markedly increases the chance of having severe disease after infection with SARS Cov-2. The intensity of inflammatory response is also higher in vitamin D deficient COVID-19 patients. This all translates to increase morbidity and mortality in COVID-19 patients who are deficient in vitamin D. Keeping the current COVID-19 pandemic in view authors recommend administration of vitamin D supplements to population at risk for COVID-19.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-77093-z
 

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So I just read the following documented scientific study and the conclusion is as follows:

Vitamin D deficiency markedly increases the chance of having severe disease after infection with SARS Cov-2. The intensity of inflammatory response is also higher in vitamin D deficient COVID-19 patients. This all translates to increase morbidity and mortality in COVID-19 patients who are deficient in vitamin D. Keeping the current COVID-19 pandemic in view authors recommend administration of vitamin D supplements to population at risk for COVID-19.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-77093-z
Which of course partially explains the spike in severe cases as colder weather set in. The body needs sunlight to make vitamin D with colder weather people spend less time outside and when they are outside more of their skin is covered thus effectively reducing sun exposure.
 

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Multiple Sclerosis increases in severity in the northern climates in the winter, and there is a link with that a vitamin D deficiency, I am taking it along with other supplements.
 
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