ALERT: THE VACCINE MIGHT BE THE MARK OF THE BEAST

[mailmandan]

I'll never forget watching the news back when they first started talking about a vaccine for covid and seeing this on the news. I've heard some people say they believe the vaccine will be the mark of the beast and I've also heard others say they don't believe the vaccine will be the mark of the beast, but instead, believe it's more like a dress rehearsal that will one day lead up to the mark of the beast. Interesting times we live in. Strange days indeed!

 

[PennEd]

Some excerpts from the story:

Just as we are hitting a low point with this pandemic, authorities all over the globe are announcing that vaccines will soon be available.
In fact, it is being reported that as many as ten different vaccines could be available by the middle of 2021…

Ten COVID-19 vaccines could be available by the middle of next year if they win regulatory approval, but their inventors need patent protection, the head of the global pharmaceutical industry group said on Friday.​

As soon as the public can get them, it is inevitable that millions upon millions of people will rush out to get their shots so that they can return to their “normal” lives.
But what they aren’t telling you is that these new vaccines are entirely different from vaccines that you may have gotten previously.
These new mRNA vaccines will actually “hijack” your cells if you take them…

When Moderna was just finishing its Phase I trial, The Independent wrote about the vaccine and described it this way: “It uses a sequence of genetic RNA material produced in a lab that, when injected into your body, must invade your cells and hijack your cells’ protein-making machinery called ribosomes to produce the viral components that subsequently train your immune system to fight the virus.”
“In this case, Moderna’s mRNA-1273 is programmed to make your cells produce the coronavirus’ infamous coronavirus spike protein that gives the virus its crown-like appearance (corona is crown in Latin) for which it is named,” wrote The Independent.​

Under normal circumstances, very few people would sign up to have their cells “hijacked”, but at this point millions upon millions of people will be so desperate for a “solution” that they will take a vaccine no matter what the long-term consequences might be.
And if you don’t take one of the vaccines, you may soon find that you aren’t able to fly internationally…

The International Air Transport Association (IATA) announced this week it is in the final phase of development for what it hopes will be universally accepted documentation that in turn could boost confidence among wary travelers.
The digital health pass would include a passenger’s testing and vaccine information and would manage and verify information among governments, airlines, laboratories and travelers.​

If these new “digital vaccine passports” are implemented for international travel, it is probably just a matter of time before they are required for domestic travel as well.
Of course there are lots of people out there that are trying to sound the alarm about all of this, but UN communications director Melissa Fleming says that her organization has already recruited an army of “110,000 information volunteers” to combat the spread of “misinformation”…

Fleming told the World Economic Forum that #PledgetoPause and Verified have “recruited 110,000 information volunteers” thus far. She said “we equip these information volunteers with the kind of knowledge about how misinformation spreads and ask them to serve as kind of ‘digital first-responders’.” Fleming has stated elsewhere that the UN has “reached out to Member States, UN media partners, celebrity supporters” and “businesses” “to help us disseminate to the millions we will need to reach” with the campaign.​

FULL ARTICLE:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political...will-accept-any-solution-because-theyll-be-so

 

[Scribe]

Some excerpts from the story:

Just as we are hitting a low point with this pandemic, authorities all over the globe are announcing that vaccines will soon be available.
In fact, it is being reported that as many as ten different vaccines could be available by the middle of 2021…

Ten COVID-19 vaccines could be available by the middle of next year if they win regulatory approval, but their inventors need patent protection, the head of the global pharmaceutical industry group said on Friday.​

As soon as the public can get them, it is inevitable that millions upon millions of people will rush out to get their shots so that they can return to their “normal” lives.
But what they aren’t telling you is that these new vaccines are entirely different from vaccines that you may have gotten previously.
These new mRNA vaccines will actually “hijack” your cells if you take them…

When Moderna was just finishing its Phase I trial, The Independent wrote about the vaccine and described it this way: “It uses a sequence of genetic RNA material produced in a lab that, when injected into your body, must invade your cells and hijack your cells’ protein-making machinery called ribosomes to produce the viral components that subsequently train your immune system to fight the virus.”​

“In this case, Moderna’s mRNA-1273 is programmed to make your cells produce the coronavirus’ infamous coronavirus spike protein that gives the virus its crown-like appearance (corona is crown in Latin) for which it is named,” wrote The Independent.​

Under normal circumstances, very few people would sign up to have their cells “hijacked”, but at this point millions upon millions of people will be so desperate for a “solution” that they will take a vaccine no matter what the long-term consequences might be.
And if you don’t take one of the vaccines, you may soon find that you aren’t able to fly internationally…

The International Air Transport Association (IATA) announced this week it is in the final phase of development for what it hopes will be universally accepted documentation that in turn could boost confidence among wary travelers.​

The digital health pass would include a passenger’s testing and vaccine information and would manage and verify information among governments, airlines, laboratories and travelers.​

If these new “digital vaccine passports” are implemented for international travel, it is probably just a matter of time before they are required for domestic travel as well.
Of course there are lots of people out there that are trying to sound the alarm about all of this, but UN communications director Melissa Fleming says that her organization has already recruited an army of “110,000 information volunteers” to combat the spread of “misinformation”…

Fleming told the World Economic Forum that #PledgetoPause and Verified have “recruited 110,000 information volunteers” thus far. She said “we equip these information volunteers with the kind of knowledge about how misinformation spreads and ask them to serve as kind of ‘digital first-responders’.” Fleming has stated elsewhere that the UN has “reached out to Member States, UN media partners, celebrity supporters” and “businesses” “to help us disseminate to the millions we will need to reach” with the campaign.​

FULL ARTICLE:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political...will-accept-any-solution-because-theyll-be-so

Well of course people don't want to be "hijacked" in any form, cellular or otherwise. However the below explanation of how the Moderna mRNA COVID 1273 vaccine works.

mRNA vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA inside a special coating. That coating protects the mRNA from enzymes in the body that would otherwise break it down. It also helps the mRNA enter the muscle cells near the vaccination site.

mRNA can most easily be described as instructions for the cell on how to make a piece of the “spike protein” that is unique to SARS-CoV-2. Since only part of the protein is made, it does not do any harm to the person vaccinated but it is antigenic.

After the piece of the spike protein is made, the cell breaks down the mRNA strand and disposes of them using enzymes in the cell. It is important to note that the mRNA strand never enters the cell’s nucleus or affects genetic material. This information helps counter misinformation about how mRNA vaccines alter or modify someone’s genetic makeup.

Once displayed on the cell surface, the protein or antigen causes the immune system to begin producing antibodies and activating T-cells to fight off what it thinks is an infection. These antibodies are specific to the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which means the immune system is primed to protect against future infection.

 

[Scribe]

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/hcp/mrna-vaccine-basics.html

 

[PennEd]

After the piece of the spike protein is made, the cell breaks down the mRNA strand and disposes of them using enzymes in the cell. It is important to note that the mRNA strand never enters the cell’s nucleus or affects genetic material. This information helps counter misinformation about how mRNA vaccines alter or modify someone’s genetic makeup.

Since it’s been absolutely verifiable that they have lied and or been wrong on at least a half dozen important factors relating to the virus, why do you continue to believe them?

Especially since others have said the opposite of the propaganda they release.

 

[Scribe]

Since it’s been absolutely verifiable that they have lied and or been wrong on at least a half dozen important factors relating to the virus, why do you continue to believe them?

Especially since others have said the opposite of the propaganda they release.

Just Google how does mRNA vaccine work and get information from various scientific sources such as immunologist that actually develop them and know how to explain them. If you don't trust the CDC check out some of the other sites, universities, science journals, etc. There are better explanations than the one I posted from the CDC. If you think they are all in a conspiracy to lie to you, then that is your right. Most of us normal people are uncomfortable around people like that, but it is your right.

As to why I trust the CDC? I know how it works and I am very proud to be in the USA where we have such an excellent trust worthy organization like the CDC and the FDA. Despite what Trump says they are not politically motivated and require science and many checks and balances. Each time loud extremists and willfully ignorant people have accused the CDC of lying about information they released during this pandemic I have found that it was a false accusation or people not having good reading comprehension skills and not able to understand what was published at the CDC site.

So of course the only way to rebut a claim that the CDC lied about something would be to analyze each accusation. If it is a press release about the effectiveness of masks for example that one says contradicted a previous press release then produce the proof.

Someone saying that it happened is not proof. I have read these CDC press releases in the past and understood what I was reading. For example someone will take a graphic they got from the CDC showing how the children in school should wear a cloth mask, and then show CDC data on how the cloth mask is not as effective as the n95 mask. This is not a contradiction at all. It is simply suggesting that children in school are not as at risk as older adults and there are going to be too many problems with making children wear a n95 mask all day especially with the skin problems that will cause with the elastic straps as you all know. That people want to try and turn it into a contradiction and say that CDC changes its data on masks is not true, it just means people are not very good at reading or absorbing information.

Anyone who trusts zerohedge that consistently misquotes and misrepresents facts to spin into a conspiracy over the CDC is not an intellectually honest person in my opinion.

I post these responses for the benefit of the whole CC site, I already know that you are strongly opinionated and will not be persuaded by my responses, but someone else who is trying to figure out who they can trust might be helped by my posts. The CDC and the FDA are two of the best organizations in the USA and we owe so much to our quality of life to them. No other country comes close. Read about how the FDA approves the vaccines that are safety tested. You will be impressed by the facts and surprised how the conspiracy theorist lied to you.

 

[PennEd]

Anyone who trusts zerohedge that consistently misquotes and misrepresents facts to spin into a conspiracy over the CDC is not an intellectually honest person in my opinion.

It’s not about trusting what YOU say. If it were I could be persuaded.

It’s the fact that you trust what THEY say.

You are putting your trust and faith in people, organizations, search engines, news sites, government agencies, and the precise ones that do NOT have yours, mine, or any other ordinary person’s best interest at heart.

I would believe infinitely more what sites like ZeroHedge, CitizenFreePress, Gateway Pundit, Breitbart, and a few others report, than virtually any other site you post from.

As for reaching other people besides you? Of course! Goes without saying. You continue to exhibit a willing blindness. It really does remind me of those that hear the Gospel and reject it.

 

[Scribe]

It’s not about trusting what YOU say. If it were I could be persuaded.

It’s the fact that you trust what THEY say.

You are putting your trust and faith in people, organizations, search engines, news sites, government agencies, and the precise ones that do NOT have yours, mine, or any other ordinary person’s best interest at heart.

I would believe infinitely more what sites like ZeroHedge, CitizenFreePress, Gateway Pundit, Breitbart, and a few others report, than virtually any other site you post from.

As for reaching other people besides you? Of course! Goes without saying. You continue to exhibit a willing blindness. It really does remind me of those that hear the Gospel and reject it.

Most of my friends are into the conspiracy theories and don't trust the CDC or the FDA.

I don't understand it, I just stay out of the conversations that will irk me. I used to think that they were the minority and I was the majority. This year 2020 changed my mind. I realized slowly that most of my church friends were into the craziest, illogical, unreasonable conspiracy theories and I am having a hard time finding anyone who is sane. It's as if they have already been infected with a DNA changing vaccine you speak of.

I think maybe they think it is "fun" to be in a "war" mentality, "us against them". I think they want there to always be a need for them to be one of the "enlightened" ones and stock their basements with guns and dry goods. It makes their boring life more exciting.

I think there is plenty of excitement in the mission of preaching to the lost and advancing the kingdom of God and no new missions need to be invented.

I am not tempted to join them in their crazy thoughts and crazy talk but I am not feeling motivated to have these conversations with them that I have on CC either. These posts are my way of venting and thinking these things through.

Whenever I contemplate trying to correct my friends ideas about their conspiracy theories, in the end I always resolve to the same conclusion. "This is so obvious that if I have to explain it I am wasting my breath." So I don't do it. In real life I just smile, and change the subject. The reason? It is not worth losing my friend over it. The devil would love to make us divided in our Christian fellowship over these theories. Some people will even stop coming to church if they got into an argument with someone over one of their conspiracy theories.

On CC I allow myself to vent and contend a little, expressing some of the things I want to tell my friends at church who try to talk to me about at these things but whom I never engage.

This Friday night I will be meeting with a bunch of men who I know are all about conspiracies and antivaxxers and I will do my best to keep the conversations Bible centered. We are going to attempt a "Bible Question" oriented bible study where they present questions and we learn to find the answers using Bible.Hub as a source.
The idea is that they get to direct the bible study in a direction they are interested in learning about and we all get the sense of self discovery and learn how to interpret scriptures. The danger is giving people a platform to present their conspiracy theories disguised as questions. We will see how it turns out. I will do my best to steer it away from controversy.

 

[Lanolin]

lol people are crazy.

Also it seems a lot of people dont really understand science.

Those that were ignorant died, while those that were knowledgable lived.

This happened in Samoa when parents didnt vaccinate/immunise their children from the measles.

two nurses gave the WRONG vaccination by mixing it with something else.You are never meant to mix vaccinations with anything, not even water.

Their children DIED. This happened recently, and weve had the vaccine for ages, but that meant Samoan parents didnt want to vaccinate their children and so a huge outbreak happened and MORE children died.

 

[Lanolin]

mark of the beast is about buying or selling, its not immunisation.

People need to read their bibles. The scriptures do not talk about having immunity from diseases by getting mark of the beast. Where people get that idea from I dont know. Too much time on their hands to come up with weird ideas?

 

[PennEd]

Most of my friends are into the conspiracy theories and don't trust the CDC or the FDA.

I don't understand it, I just stay out of the conversations that will irk me. I used to think that they were the minority and I was the majority. This year 2020 changed my mind. I realized slowly that most of my church friends were into the craziest, illogical, unreasonable conspiracy theories and I am having a hard time finding anyone who is sane. It's as if they have already been infected with a DNA changing vaccine you speak of.

I think maybe they think it is "fun" to be in a "war" mentality, "us against them". I think they want there to always be a need for them to be one of the "enlightened" ones and stock their basements with guns and dry goods. It makes their boring life more exciting.

I think there is plenty of excitement in the mission of preaching to the lost and advancing the kingdom of God and no new missions need to be invented.

I am not tempted to join them in their crazy thoughts and crazy talk but I am not feeling motivated to have these conversations with them that I have on CC either. These posts are my way of venting and thinking these things through.

Whenever I contemplate trying to correct my friends ideas about their conspiracy theories, in the end I always resolve to the same conclusion. "This is so obvious that if I have to explain it I am wasting my breath." So I don't do it. In real life I just smile, and change the subject. The reason? It is not worth losing my friend over it. The devil would love to make us divided in our Christian fellowship over these theories. Some people will even stop coming to church if they got into an argument with someone over one of their conspiracy theories.

On CC I allow myself to vent and contend a little, expressing some of the things I want to tell my friends at church who try to talk to me about at these things but whom I never engage.

This Friday night I will be meeting with a bunch of men who I know are all about conspiracies and antivaxxers and I will do my best to keep the conversations Bible centered. We are going to attempt a "Bible Question" oriented bible study where they present questions and we learn to find the answers using Bible.Hub as a source.
The idea is that they get to direct the bible study in a direction they are interested in learning about and we all get the sense of self discovery and learn how to interpret scriptures. The danger is giving people a platform to present their conspiracy theories disguised as questions. We will see how it turns out. I will do my best to steer it away from controversy.

Simply amazing that you don’t even consider you are wrong and are massively deceived!


Let’s take worse case scenarios:

If you’re right, you, and virtually everyone who gets the vaccine are safe, the virus continues, and those who refuse the vaccine could possibly get sick, and transmit the virus to others who refuse. Those people would get basically a bad cold or flu, and in 0.1% of the cases they would die. You are aware that people do die of all manner of things? Let’s further say that some refusers do get it, and do die. If they are born again Children of God, they are immediately in Christ’s Presence. Not bad.

If I’m right, the vaccine alters you on a genetic level, and possibly even changes your thought processes and behaviors. You eventually submit to a biometric quantum dot tattoo, that stores all your medical info, including whether you got the vaccine, so that you can participate in every aspect of societal life. The micro particles also have some sort of digital money debit system attached to it. It turns out to indeed be the mark of the beast. Verifying that you were never a born again Child of God, and you are forever suffering in the Lake of Fire. No rest day or night.

 

[EleventhHour]

Well of course people don't want to be "hijacked" in any form, cellular or otherwise. However the below explanation of how the Moderna mRNA COVID 1273 vaccine works.

mRNA vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA inside a special coating. That coating protects the mRNA from enzymes in the body that would otherwise break it down. It also helps the mRNA enter the muscle cells near the vaccination site.

mRNA can most easily be described as instructions for the cell on how to make a piece of the “spike protein” that is unique to SARS-CoV-2. Since only part of the protein is made, it does not do any harm to the person vaccinated but it is antigenic.

After the piece of the spike protein is made, the cell breaks down the mRNA strand and disposes of them using enzymes in the cell. It is important to note that the mRNA strand never enters the cell’s nucleus or affects genetic material. This information helps counter misinformation about how mRNA vaccines alter or modify someone’s genetic makeup.

Once displayed on the cell surface, the protein or antigen causes the immune system to begin producing antibodies and activating T-cells to fight off what it thinks is an infection. These antibodies are specific to the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which means the immune system is primed to protect against future infection.

It is quite a different approach to vaccines .. some people are afraid of science, perhaps better to get their eschatology right and then worry about a vaccine.

 

[EleventhHour]

If I’m right, the vaccine alters you on a genetic level,

Many things alter our genetic material.

 

[Scribe]

Simply amazing that you don’t even consider you are wrong and are massively deceived!


Let’s take worse case scenarios:

If you’re right, you, and virtually everyone who gets the vaccine are safe, the virus continues, and those who refuse the vaccine could possibly get sick, and transmit the virus to others who refuse. Those people would get basically a bad cold or flu, and in 0.1% of the cases they would die. You are aware that people do die of all manner of things? Let’s further say that some refusers do get it, and do die. If they are born again Children of God, they are immediately in Christ’s Presence. Not bad.

If I’m right, the vaccine alters you on a genetic level, and possibly even changes your thought processes and behaviors. You eventually submit to a biometric quantum dot tattoo, that stores all your medical info, including whether you got the vaccine, so that you can participate in every aspect of societal life. The micro particles also have some sort of digital money debit system attached to it. It turns out to indeed be the mark of the beast. Verifying that you were never a born again Child of God, and you are forever suffering in the Lake of Fire. No rest day or night.

I consider everything people present. If it cannot be substantiated with evidence, science, logic, probability, it gets tossed.

Computers will probably be involved in the mark of the beast. I still use them. If vaccines are going to be the method that the Antichrist uses to put a mark on you, I will deal with it when that day comes. It is not the Moderna COVID 19 mRNA 1273. If the RN asks me to worship an image or deny Christ I will leave immediately and warn you all.

 

[Papou]

I began researching this when I came upon a blog and Christians were warning of forced vaccinations. So I looked it up and found some people who say that the vaccine may indeed be the Mark of the Beast. Satan is the great deceiver - can he deceive people into taking the mark?

Wow this is incredible what you find on social media ! The one who is deceived is the one who wanted to deceive ...

 

[PennEd]

We have very little time brothers and sisters.

Immunity Cards' To Be Issued To All Americans; Enable CDC To Track COVID-19 Vaxx Status In Database

On Wednesday the Department of Defense released the first images of a COVID-19 vaccination record card as well as vaccination kits, according to CNN.
"Everyone will be issued a written card that they can put in their wallet that will tell them what they had and when their next dose is due," says Dr. Kelly Moore, associate director of the Immunization Action Coalition. "Let's do the simple, easy thing first. Everyone's going to get that."
What's more, vaccination clinics will also report to their state immunization registries which vaccine was given so that third parties can verify one's vaccination status regardless of what their card says (or if they've lost it).

Moore said many places are planning to ask patients to voluntarily provide a cell phone number, so they can get a text message telling them when and where their next dose is scheduled to be administered.
Every dose administered will be reported to the US Centers for Disease Controland Prevention, said Claire Hannan, executive director of the Association of Immunization Managers. -CNN​

The DoD also released information on vaccine kits, which include a card, needle, syringe, alcohol wipes and a mask. There are approximately 100 million such kits ready to go as soon as 'the' vaccine(s) is(are) chosen, according to Operation Warp Speed CEO, Gen. Gustave Perna.
The announcement comes less than two weeks after the UK government proposed "freedom passes" in order to reboot their economy - which would seemingly allow those willing to vaccinate a return to normal life. It also comes after signs of industries adapting to a future of immunity cards and vaccinations - with Ticketmaster and Quantas airlines both announcing they will require proof of vaccination before people can attend concerts or fly.
Meanwhile, the vaccination roadshow has begun. On Wednesday, former presidents Obama, Clinton and Bush publicly announced that they would take the vaccine, on camera.
"I may end up taking it on TV or having it filmed, just so that people know that I trust this science," Obama said in a Wednesday interview with Sirius XM radio - while Bush and Clinton made similar vows.

The next day, NIH Director Dr. Anthony Fauci ominously warned that it would create a "very serious situation" if people don't take the vaccine.

From the party of "you don't need an ID to vote" comes "show me your papers" to go anywhere and do anything.​

The frontrunning vaccine candidates come from two companies - Pfizer and Moderna - which are both awaiting emergency use authorizations in the United States. And FDA panel is expected to discuss the issue on December 10 and 17.

 

[Scribe]

We have very little time brothers and sisters.

Immunity Cards' To Be Issued To All Americans; Enable CDC To Track COVID-19 Vaxx Status In Database

On Wednesday the Department of Defense released the first images of a COVID-19 vaccination record card as well as vaccination kits, according to CNN.
"Everyone will be issued a written card that they can put in their wallet that will tell them what they had and when their next dose is due," says Dr. Kelly Moore, associate director of the Immunization Action Coalition. "Let's do the simple, easy thing first. Everyone's going to get that."
What's more, vaccination clinics will also report to their state immunization registries which vaccine was given so that third parties can verify one's vaccination status regardless of what their card says (or if they've lost it).

Moore said many places are planning to ask patients to voluntarily provide a cell phone number, so they can get a text message telling them when and where their next dose is scheduled to be administered.​

Every dose administered will be reported to the US Centers for Disease Controland Prevention, said Claire Hannan, executive director of the Association of Immunization Managers. -CNN​

The DoD also released information on vaccine kits, which include a card, needle, syringe, alcohol wipes and a mask. There are approximately 100 million such kits ready to go as soon as 'the' vaccine(s) is(are) chosen, according to Operation Warp Speed CEO, Gen. Gustave Perna.
The announcement comes less than two weeks after the UK government proposed "freedom passes" in order to reboot their economy - which would seemingly allow those willing to vaccinate a return to normal life. It also comes after signs of industries adapting to a future of immunity cards and vaccinations - with Ticketmaster and Quantas airlines both announcing they will require proof of vaccination before people can attend concerts or fly.
Meanwhile, the vaccination roadshow has begun. On Wednesday, former presidents Obama, Clinton and Bush publicly announced that they would take the vaccine, on camera.
"I may end up taking it on TV or having it filmed, just so that people know that I trust this science," Obama said in a Wednesday interview with Sirius XM radio - while Bush and Clinton made similar vows.

The next day, NIH Director Dr. Anthony Fauci ominously warned that it would create a "very serious situation" if people don't take the vaccine.

From the party of "you don't need an ID to vote" comes "show me your papers" to go anywhere and do anything.​

The frontrunning vaccine candidates come from two companies - Pfizer and Moderna - which are both awaiting emergency use authorizations in the United States. And FDA panel is expected to discuss the issue on December 10 and 17.

See. I told you that the quantum dot tattoos were not ready yet.

 

[gb9]

See. I told you that the quantum dot tattoos were not ready yet.

instead of actually looking in to what penned posted, you do the liberal thing- lalala " does not exist".. lalala " conspiracy theory....lalala.

if we are so wrong and a bunch of hicks who just believe everything we see on the internet, then we should be easy to debunk with facts , right?

i mean, if all you libs do is ridicule , what does that mean??

 

[Scribe]

instead of actually looking in to what penned posted, you do the liberal thing- lalala " does not exist".. lalala " conspiracy theory....lalala.

if we are so wrong and a bunch of hicks who just believe everything we see on the internet, then we should be easy to debunk with facts , right?

i mean, if all you libs do is ridicule , what does that mean??

I have no problem with what Penned posted. It is all legit. I am fine with a vaccine card. I am fine with everything I read in his post. Where you see something worthy of a conspiracy theory that needs to be defended and are ready to accuse me of rejecting it, I see no conspiracy in that post at all.

It is all straight up what they plan to do and I am fine with it. I am not saying I don't believe it.

I am expecting almost everything in that post.

I have no problem with a vaccination ID/card. I expect that. We have been using vaccination cards our whole lives. That is the current method for keeping up with what vaccines you've had. Unfortunately I lost mine along the way somewhere and had to start over more than once. Currently I can't tell you what vaccines I have had when I was young.

What Penned posted is realistic. Of course Penned and you probably consider it oppressive, or government overreach to keep a database of who has been vaccinated but I don't feel the same. We are in all sorts of databases including voting registrations and Library cards. I don't mind being able verify being vaccinated.

Here is another real scenario that you might find offensive but I do not. What if they require all Doctors and RNs to be vaccinated and some of them don't want to. Do the RNs loose their jobs? What about a school Nurse. Will all children have to prove vaccination to be allowed back in the classroom? Logic tells us yes, that is already a current law. What about the School Nurse? Of course she will. Is it fair that if she does not want to that she loose her job? I know a school nurse who does not want to take the vaccine, (any vaccines ever) She was able to get away with it before COVID but I doubt she will be able to in the future.

These are the many issues we will deal with in our efforts to "return to normal" and people to live life without COVID restrictions again. Should we accommodate those who do not want to get vaccinated by leaving areas of our churches social distance seating and other parts vaccinated seating? Should be have vaccinated classrooms and unvaccinated classrooms, vaccinated concerts and unvaccinated concerts? I think you know the answer, the antivaxxers are going to run into a few inconveniences.

 

[gb9]

I have no problem with what Penned posted. It is all legit. I am fine with a vaccine card. I am fine with everything I read in his post. Where you see something worthy of a conspiracy theory that needs to be defended and are ready to accuse me of rejecting it, I see no conspiracy in that post at all.

It is all straight up what they plan to do and I am fine with it. I am not saying I don't believe it.

I am expecting almost everything in that post.

I have no problem with a vaccination ID/card. I expect that. We have been using vaccination cards our whole lives. That is the current method for keeping up with what vaccines you've had. Unfortunately I lost mine along the way somewhere and had to start over more than once. Currently I can't tell you what vaccines I have had when I was young.

What Penned posted is realistic. Of course Penned and you probably consider it oppressive, or government overreach to keep a database of who has been vaccinated but I don't feel the same. We are in all sorts of databases including voting registrations and Library cards. I don't mind being able verify being vaccinated.

Here is another real scenario that you might find offensive but I do not. What if they require all Doctors and RNs to be vaccinated and some of them don't want to. Do the RNs loose their jobs? What about a school Nurse. Will all children have to prove vaccination to be allowed back in the classroom? Logic tells us yes, that is already a current law. What about the School Nurse? Of course she will. Is it fair that if she does not want to that she loose her job? I know a school nurse who does not want to take the vaccine, (any vaccines ever) She was able to get away with it before COVID but I doubt she will be able to in the future.

These are the many issues we will deal with in our efforts to "return to normal" and people to live life without COVID restrictions again. Should we accommodate those who do not want to get vaccinated by leaving areas of our churches social distance seating and other parts vaccinated seating? Should be have vaccinated classrooms and unvaccinated classrooms, vaccinated concerts and unvaccinated concerts? I think you know the answer, the antivaxxers are going to run into a few inconveniences.

here is a very simple, straightforward answer, and this goes for any vaccine- if the vaccine is effective, and you take it and i do not, then why are you concerned about being around me?

if you got the vaccine, then you you should be safe, and have no concerns, right?