ALERT: THE VACCINE MIGHT BE THE MARK OF THE BEAST

[TruthSeekerJG]

Gen 2
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

The principle of Having dominion over animals and subduing the earth includes viruses. If you don't think it does because viruses are not mentioned that is your right, I know that it does include the unseen creatures also. And I will not debate it.

Your own immune system is helped with vaccines. It is your immune system that creates the antibody to defeat the virus.

Read about how vaccines work. Maybe you are not understanding how it is your own antibodies, not an injected one, that does the job of defeating the virus.

Your theory that diet helps your immune system create antibodies and a vaccine tries to substitute your antibodies is not correct.

Many young super healthy athletic people who did not have one foot in the grave have died (and will die) from COVID. If they take the vaccine they will not get sick or die. Many who were gravely ill and recovered (young as well as old) have residual effects, organ damage and scar tissue and who knows what else, it will take time to record the long term effects of the critically ill that recovered.

If you follow your logic no antibiotics should be used for a bacterial infection either.

Let your body fight it off and if it can't, well then just die! That is stupid.

If injecting antibiotics will save your life you would be sinful to reject that cure.

If a vaccine will save lives it is sinful to scare people away from them.

Read about how the mRNA vaccine works. Then if you have an issue with it be specific about the issue that you have that is relative to the mRNA vaccine, not some other vaccine.

Sorry, but following God's guidelines isn't a theory. He specifically gave His people guidelines on how to live life. There is such a thing as a biblical diet. I would also say that following a Biblical diet is the intended purpose to help support the already existing immune system, which already creates it's own antibodies, without injecting "dead virus cells" into the system... Common sense once you learn about the systems of the body and there intended functions.

So the claim of being ignorant can easily be attributed to blindly following man's cures and totally denying the capabilities of God's Creation and Healing. There is such things as not following God's commands or guidelines right? Trying to come up with our own solution instead of simply following the Word. That's where I'm coming from.

Diseases are not something that we as mankind can control. They are actually used as God's judgement/agents to execute His judgement on people. He specifically said in His Word that He is the healer and preventer of diseases. Not us!

So, if we want to delude ourselves into thinking that quick solutions can fix the problem, instead of simply following the guidelines that were already laid out for us... Go for it. Personally I would rather encourage people to not fear the hype of the media, instead trust in God. To live a healthy lifestyle and turn to healthier alternatives rather than searching for quick fixes and potentially harming/hindering the systems that are already put into place which make up the body. Do we pay attention to the abuse that we put these bodies through? Poor diet/nutrition, posture, movement, etc. All of these add up.

Again, pharmakeia is not the solution. Believing in God and His principles are.

If injecting antibiotics will save your life you would be sinful to reject that cure.

Is the shot God? What if it destroys our health and weakens the immune system? Like doctors and many others that have done their research.

2 Chronicles 16:12 And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians.

 

[Butterflyyy]

This has just been sent to me by another Christian, see what you think...

You just can't make this stuff up!!!! Unbelievable!!
Researching records reveals the following:
The Chinese biological laboratory in Wuhan is owned by Glaxo!
Who, by chance, owns Pfizer! (the one who produces the vaccine!)
Which, by chance, is managed by Black Rock finances.
Who, by chance, manages the finances of the Open Foundation Company (SOROS FOUNDATION)!
Which, by chance, serves the French AXA!
Coincidentally, he owns the German company Winterthur.
Who, by chance, built the Chinese laboratory in Wuhan!
Accidentally bought by the German Allianz.
Which, incidentally, has Vanguard as a shareholder.
Which is a shareholder of Black Rock.
Which controls the central banks and manages about ONE THIRD of the global investment capital.
Which, incidentally, is a major shareholder of MICROSOFT
The property of BILL GATES, who happens to be a shareholder of PFIZER (which sells the miracle VACCINE) and is currently the first sponsor of WHO!!!

 

[Scribe]

Sorry, but following God's guidelines isn't a theory. He specifically gave His people guidelines on how to live life. There is such a thing as a biblical diet. I would also say that following a Biblical diet is the intended purpose to help support the already existing immune system, which already creates it's own antibodies, without injecting "dead virus cells" into the system... Common sense once you learn about the systems of the body and there intended functions.

So the claim of being ignorant can easily be attributed to blindly following man's cures and totally denying the capabilities of God's Creation and Healing. There is such things as not following God's commands or guidelines right? Trying to come up with our own solution instead of simply following the Word. That's where I'm coming from.

Diseases are not something that we as mankind can control. They are actually used as God's judgement/agents to execute His judgement on people. He specifically said in His Word that He is the healer and preventer of diseases. Not us!

So, if we want to delude ourselves into thinking that quick solutions can fix the problem, instead of simply following the guidelines that were already laid out for us... Go for it. Personally I would rather encourage people to not fear the hype of the media, instead trust in God. To live a healthy lifestyle and turn to healthier alternatives rather than searching for quick fixes and potentially harming/hindering the systems that are already put into place which make up the body. Do we pay attention to the abuse that we put these bodies through? Poor diet/nutrition, posture, movement, etc. All of these add up.

Again, pharmakeia is not the solution. Believing in God and His principles are.



Is the shot God? What if it destroys our health and weakens the immune system? Like doctors and many others that have done their research.

2 Chronicles 16:12 And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians.

But your posts suggest that you are still being ignorant (you don't realize your mistake) for thinking that mRNA vaccines inject virus cells or even use virus cells in the development. Read about them before you make these false accusations.

You seem to have missed my point about antibacterial antibiotics. If you get an infection from a cut on your foot and the doctor tells you that he needs to give you an antibiotic shot or it will get worse and you will die, will you say to the doctor "no thank you, God does not want me to get antibiotics for bacterial infections" (Pay attention now, this is not a vaccine or a virus)

If you don't believe in getting antibiotics for bacterial infections because it is not in the Bible, then that is your right. I suppose the discussion if over.

If you do believe in getting antibiotic shot to defeat a bad infection that is going to kill you if you don't use antibiotics to stop the infection, then why would you not believe in a vaccine to defeat a virus?

Is it ok with God to defeat bacteria with injected antibiotics, but not ok to defeat viruses with your own immune antibodies that are created from you immune system itself after the vaccine is used to kick that process off?

Again: The Pfizer or Moderna mRNA vaccines are a different technology that does not work like the old vaccines that used antigens that were developed from virus cultures. I know you are thinking of the classic vaccines that used virus cultures like the flu vaccine, but even the flu vaccine does not inject you with the flu virus dead or alive. You can Google "how does the flu vaccine work" and read about that if you are interested. I would suggest that you do so before saying that vaccines inject viruses into people.

 

[EleventhHour]

But your posts suggest that you are still being ignorant (you don't realize your mistake) for thinking that mRNA vaccines inject virus cells or even use virus cells in the development. Read about them before you make these false accusations.

You seem to have missed my point about antibacterial antibiotics. If you get an infection from a cut on your foot and the doctor tells you that he needs to give you an antibiotic shot or it will get worse and you will die, will you say to the doctor "no thank you, God does not want me to get antibiotics for bacterial infections" (Pay attention now, this is not a vaccine or a virus)

If you don't believe in getting antibiotics for bacterial infections because it is not in the Bible, then that is your right. I suppose the discussion if over.

If you do believe in getting antibiotic shot to defeat a bad infection that is going to kill you if you don't use antibiotics to stop the infection, then why would you not believe in a vaccine to defeat a virus?

Is it ok with God to defeat bacteria with injected antibiotics, but not ok to defeat viruses with your own immune antibodies that are created from you immune system itself after the vaccine is used to kick that process off?

Again: The Pfizer or Moderna mRNA vaccines are a different technology that does not work like the old vaccines that used antigens that were developed from virus cultures. I know you are thinking of the classic vaccines that used virus cultures like the flu vaccine, but even the flu vaccine does not inject you with the flu virus dead or alive. You can Google "how does the flu vaccine work" and read about that if you are interested. I would suggest that you do so before saying that vaccines inject viruses into people.

If I read it on Facebook or Twitter it must be true.

 

[TruthSeekerJG]

But your posts suggest that you are still being ignorant (you don't realize your mistake) for thinking that mRNA vaccines inject virus cells or even use virus cells in the development. Read about them before you make these false accusations.

You seem to have missed my point about antibacterial antibiotics. If you get an infection from a cut on your foot and the doctor tells you that he needs to give you an antibiotic shot or it will get worse and you will die, will you say to the doctor "no thank you, God does not want me to get antibiotics for bacterial infections" (Pay attention now, this is not a vaccine or a virus)

If you don't believe in getting antibiotics for bacterial infections because it is not in the Bible, then that is your right. I suppose the discussion if over.

If you do believe in getting antibiotic shot to defeat a bad infection that is going to kill you if you don't use antibiotics to stop the infection, then why would you not believe in a vaccine to defeat a virus?

Is it ok with God to defeat bacteria with injected antibiotics, but not ok to defeat viruses with your own immune antibodies that are created from you immune system itself after the vaccine is used to kick that process off?

Again: The Pfizer or Moderna mRNA vaccines are a different technology that does not work like the old vaccines that used antigens that were developed from virus cultures. I know you are thinking of the classic vaccines that used virus cultures like the flu vaccine, but even the flu vaccine does not inject you with the flu virus dead or alive. You can Google "how does the flu vaccine work" and read about that if you are interested. I would suggest that you do so before saying that vaccines inject viruses into people.

Yeah I noticed that when I re-read my reply. Please forgive me on that. I'm not against anti-bacterial antibiotics as long as it's naturally derived and not made up synthetically. Also, isn't there a big difference between antibacterial and vaccine? Meaning antibacterial actually treats the infection versus developing a vaccine that is supposed to prevent. To which I keep saying that we can develop our immune system naturally through good nutrition, sanitation, and fitness. Which is biblical.

I guess here's my main point: Do we trust in God and look to Him, or trust in physicians and pharmakeia? That seems to be overlooked.

 

[TruthSeekerJG]

If I read it on Facebook or Twitter it must be true.

Good thing I have neither

 

[Billyd]

There is urgent need of well-designed randomized controlled trial to assess its efficacy for validating the use of Ivermectin against SARS-CoV-2.23 Nearly 40 clinical trials are ongoing world over for measuring the outcome of COVID-19 treatment with Ivermectin.

We use Ivermectin to prevent parasites (worms, etc) in our livestock.

 

[Billyd]

If I read it on Facebook or Twitter it must be true.

"I read in on the internet", "my friend told me about it", "I can't find the exact words telling me that I can do it in the scriptures", etc.

Just as few of the acceptable (perfect) excuses.

 

[Scribe]

Yeah I noticed that when I re-read my reply. Please forgive me on that. I'm not against anti-bacterial antibiotics as long as it's naturally derived and not made up synthetically. Also, isn't there a big difference between antibacterial and vaccine? Meaning antibacterial actually treats the infection versus developing a vaccine that is supposed to prevent. To which I keep saying that we can develop our immune system naturally through good nutrition, sanitation, and fitness. Which is biblical.

I guess here's my main point: Do we trust in God and look to Him, or trust in physicians and pharmakeia? That seems to be overlooked.

From the perspective of natural remedies the vaccine boosting our own immune system to create its own antibodies is more in line with "natural immune system" working to defeat the virus than antiboiotics that are injected into us to kill bacterial infjections, these antibiotics are introduced to our system and not created by our immune system.

As to trusting God I do not not think it is antithetical (directly opposed, contrasting) to trusting God if we are both praying for His protection and divine healing and also we can be thankful for giving men knowledge to boost our immune systems to defeat a virus that our health diets just cant accomplish alone.

Even Paul had to leave Trophimus sick in Miletus, and told Timothy to take a little wine for his stomach issues. These seemingly small matters in his letters are there for a reason and one of the things it tells us is that the idea that Paul could heal anyone on demand is not true. Divine healings still take place today but they are according to the Spirit as he wills and I believe it is just as spiritual and trusting in God to take antibiotics, if we have an abscessed tooth with poisonous infection heading to our brain to kill us if not interrupted, or to take a vaccine to help our immune system create the antibodies that will block the Spike protein on these nasty little corona virus.

I am trusting God when I prayed for this vaccine, having faith that God can do anything and he can give us a successful vaccine when it has taken years in the past and some diseases still have no vaccine, but believing God will give us a breakthrough and then HE DOES and I rejoice and PRAISE GOD for his Mercy and Compassion to Men and Good Will towards us that this virus can be wiped off the face of the earth. It is one battle in the war against viruses and I am praying for a Cancer vaccine now. MY FAITH IS EXPLODING RIGHT NOW.

I Trust God, I give glory to God that He gave the scientist the knowledge on how do defeat this and it causes me to TRUST God even more for a CANCER CURE. IT CAN HAPPEN if we pray we can say to this mountain Be removed, and if that mountain is cancer, and God can give us a vaccine like mRNA to cure it why not pray in faith for it.
We should not tell God HOW to cure COVID and we should not refuse to Praise him if He uses vaccines to do it.

Some might think it is not trusting God to ask for a vaccine, and I think it is faith and trusting God to ask for one back in March of last year when this thing got serious. Now that God has answered my prayers (much to the chagrin of the vaccine haters) and God has given us more than one vaccine (and there are more in the testing pipeline to be released as each passes its own safety testing) Now, it is time to praise God and not think it is mere men and science alone that accomplished this.

These men involved could be hard core atheist but God is the creator of the micro organism world and I give God all the glory for the vaccine that will enable my immune system to create antibodies to block the Spike protein of the COVID 19 virus that it used to infect human cells.

God is ALL OVER THIS. This is not the work of mere men. Whether they take credit or not.
Who ever heard of a vaccine in a year? We pray for a miracle, God gives us one and then we look for some other solution?
God may use a pole on a snake in one plague and an mRNA vaccine in another. I am not going to refuse the solution God has provided that I was praying for.

 

[TruthSeekerJG]

From the perspective of natural remedies the vaccine boosting our own immune system to create its own antibodies is more in line with "natural immune system" working to defeat the virus than antiboiotics that are injected into us to kill bacterial infjections, these antibiotics are introduced to our system and not created by our immune system.

As to trusting God I do not not think it is antithetical (directly opposed, contrasting) to trusting God if we are both praying for His protection and divine healing and also we can be thankful for giving men knowledge to boost our immune systems to defeat a virus that our health diets just cant accomplish alone.

Even Paul had to leave Trophimus sick in Miletus, and told Timothy to take a little wine for his stomach issues. These seemingly small matters in his letters are there for a reason and one of the things it tells us is that the idea that Paul could heal anyone on demand is not true. Divine healings still take place today but they are according to the Spirit as he wills and I believe it is just as spiritual and trusting in God to take antibiotics, if we have an abscessed tooth with poisonous infection heading to our brain to kill us if not interrupted, or to take a vaccine to help our immune system create the antibodies that will block the Spike protein on these nasty little corona virus.

I am trusting God when I prayed for this vaccine, having faith that God can do anything and he can give us a successful vaccine when it has taken years in the past and some diseases still have no vaccine, but believing God will give us a breakthrough and then HE DOES and I rejoice and PRAISE GOD for his Mercy and Compassion to Men and Good Will towards us that this virus can be wiped off the face of the earth. It is one battle in the war against viruses and I am praying for a Cancer vaccine now. MY FAITH IS EXPLODING RIGHT NOW.

I Trust God, I give glory to God that He gave the scientist the knowledge on how do defeat this and it causes me to TRUST God even more for a CANCER CURE. IT CAN HAPPEN if we pray we can say to this mountain Be removed, and if that mountain is cancer, and God can give us a vaccine like mRNA to cure it why not pray in faith for it.
We should not tell God HOW to cure COVID and we should not refuse to Praise him if He uses vaccines to do it.

Some might think it is not trusting God to ask for a vaccine, and I think it is faith and trusting God to ask for one back in March of last year when this thing got serious. Now that God has answered my prayers (much to the chagrin of the vaccine haters) and God has given us more than one vaccine (and there are more in the testing pipeline to be released as each passes its own safety testing) Now, it is time to praise God and not think it is mere men and science alone that accomplished this.

These men involved could be hard core atheist but God is the creator of the micro organism world and I give God all the glory for the vaccine that will enable my immune system to create antibodies to block the Spike protein of the COVID 19 virus that it used to infect human cells.

God is ALL OVER THIS. This is not the work of mere men. Whether they take credit or not.
Who ever heard of a vaccine in a year? We pray for a miracle, God gives us one and then we look for some other solution?
God may use a pole on a snake in one plague and an mRNA vaccine in another. I am not going to refuse the solution God has provided that I was praying for.

Personally I think this is all apart of the deception to divide and conquer. That's if we understand about the New World Order, which is not a conspiracy if we open our eyes and see what's going on. Also biblical. Instead of having faith in main stream media and so-called experts like good mind controlled slaves. We are not of this WORLDLY system and we should know who the prince of this world is... the adversary (satan).

Don't you think it's odd that this is going on world wide and the governments were able to control us in an instant? From one week to a month we were told to stay in our homes and anywhere we go that we have to wear masks. Which is also a way of socially conditioning us for oppression. Did you know that the suicide rates are actually higher than the actual mortality rates for COVID-19? The mortality rate in my area was less than 1% for the population as a whole when I looked at the statistics. Which I would almost dare to say Nationally. I know it's been the same statistics in other areas. Is that worth shutting down the worlds economy, squelching out private owned businesses and deeming them non essential, while the big corporations are allowed to continue on? Even shutting down churches, yet, allowing abortion clinics to stay open...

To compare the vaccine to wine is drastically different, or even using the serpent staff. What about the scripture that I gave you about only trusting in physicians, which I think a good majority are conditioned to do because they don't believe that God can deliver us. Let alone actually believe in the God of the Bible. Don't you even watch the pharmakeia commercials and how much side effects they have? We come out with more problems than the original.

I think the fear we need to have is the FEAR OF GOD. Not to fear that a virus is going to kill us. Even if it does, as believers, that shouldn't faze us... We should know that life in this world is temporary and that there is the eternal. So, by all means go for it. There are many others that feel this way as well. Just warning others to be prepared and don't be easily swayed by the media, but to have faith in God.

 

[Scribe]

Personally I think this is all apart of the deception to divide and conquer. That's if we understand about the New World Order, which is not a conspiracy if we open our eyes and see what's going on. Also biblical. Instead of having faith in main stream media and so-called experts like good mind controlled slaves. We are not of this WORLDLY system and we should know who the prince of this world is... the adversary (satan).

Don't you think it's odd that this is going on world wide and the governments were able to control us in an instant? From one week to a month we were told to stay in our homes and anywhere we go that we have to wear masks. Which is also a way of socially conditioning us for oppression. Did you know that the suicide rates are actually higher than the actual mortality rates for COVID-19? The mortality rate in my area was less than 1% for the population as a whole when I looked at the statistics. Which I would almost dare to say Nationally. I know it's been the same statistics in other areas. Is that worth shutting down the worlds economy, squelching out private owned businesses and deeming them non essential, while the big corporations are allowed to continue on? Even shutting down churches, yet, allowing abortion clinics to stay open...

To compare the vaccine to wine is drastically different, or even using the serpent staff. What about the scripture that I gave you about only trusting in physicians, which I think a good majority are conditioned to do because they don't believe that God can deliver us. Let alone actually believe in the God of the Bible. Don't you even watch the pharmakeia commercials and how much side effects they have? We come out with more problems than the original.

I think the fear we need to have is the FEAR OF GOD. Not to fear that a virus is going to kill us. Even if it does, as believers, that shouldn't faze us... We should know that life in this world is temporary and that there is the eternal. So, by all means go for it. There are many others that feel this way as well. Just warning others to be prepared and don't be easily swayed by the media, but to have faith in God.

You have a right to your opinion.

The scripture you gave does not apply to going to a doctor for a remedy when you are trusting God at the same time. Also it is not correct to think of physicians of the OT period as Medicine, Hospitals or Doctors. They were the pagan idolatrous witches who believed in spells and incantations and fortune telling, and nonsense at that time that were called physicians not the modern use of the word. Use a Bible dictionary. That is horrible heremeutics to apply it to doctors.

Physician in Easton's Bible Dictionary Asa, afflicted with some bodily malady, "sought not to the Lord but to the physicians" (2 Chr. 16:12). The "physicians" were those who "practised heathen arts of magic, disavowing recognized methods of cure, and dissociating the healing art from dependence on the God of Israel. The sin of Asa was not, therefore, in seeking medical advice, as we understand the phrase, but in forgetting Jehovah."
https://www.bible-history.com/eastons/P/Physician/

I agree that we should not be swayed by misinformation in media or ignorant friends. We should read credible resources which every person should have learned how to find before graduating High School.

I would not take a little wine for my stomach sake. I would interpret that as it being ok to take a medicine that was designed to treat my stomach issue if I had one.

This was not an option when Paul wrote it, but the principle behind his words are applicable, not the wine, which does very little to solve a stomach issue but in that day would have been better than drinking unfiltered dirty water because the alcohol kills germs.

Today we have pure water and we have medicines for specific stomach problems.

Today, writing in the spirit of Paul's authorial intent if I know my missionary friend in Ephesus is suffering stomach issues due to a stomach ulcer caused by a bacteria I would tell him to take the medication they have to kill that bacteria and cure his stomach ulcer that less than 20 years ago they did not have a remedy for.

They discovered that there was a bacteria that caused many stomach ulcers and they designed an antibacterial medication to cure it. Only a very ignorant person would adhere to the scripture to take a little wine for this stomach ulcer issue instead of the medication just because it was what Paul said to Timothy in 60AD.

 

[GaryA]

As to trusting God I do not not think it is antithetical (directly opposed, contrasting) to trusting God if we are both praying for His protection and divine healing and also we can be thankful for giving men knowledge to boost our immune systems to defeat a virus that our health diets just cant accomplish alone.

This is the thing that you do not seem to understand - 'diet' alone can accomplish...

I Trust God, I give glory to God that He gave the scientist the knowledge on how do defeat this and it causes me to TRUST God even more for a CANCER CURE. IT CAN HAPPEN ...

Of course it can happen - it happened already - the day God made Adam.

The cure for cancer is already in your body and mine. And, it is controlled and regulated by 'diet' alone. It is our immune system.

If you have cancer, the way to get rid of it is to create and maintain a "slightly" alkaline blood chemistry - the cancer will die. Why? Because, cancer cannot live and thrive in an alkaline environment. Research it!

And then - ask yourself why the people you are trusting to "cure the COVID problem" have been doing everything in their power to prevent people from learning about such things as is illustrated in the previous paragraph.

You have fallen for the lie that the immune system that God put in our bodies is not good enough.

I am not going to refuse the solution God has provided that I was praying for.

Why refuse the solution God provided to every human being when He made Adam?

You didn't even need to pray for it ("to come about") - you already have it in you.

This is how God set it up to work. And it does work - the 'natural' way - that God created.

All you have to do is to give it what it needs - and, it will "take care of" whatever ails you.

Please understand the context of the above statement - it is a "general" statement about "general" health.

It is well-known that certain types of cyanide poising will kill you in minutes or [even] seconds. I am not talking about those kind of 'exceptions'.

The problem is - people want to 'abuse' their system - and then try to make use of man-made band-aide solutions (that create more health problems) to "counter" the damage that they do to their system.

IF people give their system what it needs - and DO NOT give it things that will weaken it - it will keep them healthy.

This is God's way - for natural health.

 

[kinda]

Personally I think this is all apart of the deception to divide and conquer. That's if we understand about the New World Order, which is not a conspiracy if we open our eyes and see what's going on. Also biblical. Instead of having faith in main stream media and so-called experts like good mind controlled slaves. We are not of this WORLDLY system and we should know who the prince of this world is... the adversary (satan).

Don't you think it's odd that this is going on world wide and the governments were able to control us in an instant? From one week to a month we were told to stay in our homes and anywhere we go that we have to wear masks. Which is also a way of socially conditioning us for oppression. Did you know that the suicide rates are actually higher than the actual mortality rates for COVID-19? The mortality rate in my area was less than 1% for the population as a whole when I looked at the statistics. Which I would almost dare to say Nationally. I know it's been the same statistics in other areas. Is that worth shutting down the worlds economy, squelching out private owned businesses and deeming them non essential, while the big corporations are allowed to continue on? Even shutting down churches, yet, allowing abortion clinics to stay open...

To compare the vaccine to wine is drastically different, or even using the serpent staff. What about the scripture that I gave you about only trusting in physicians, which I think a good majority are conditioned to do because they don't believe that God can deliver us. Let alone actually believe in the God of the Bible. Don't you even watch the pharmakeia commercials and how much side effects they have? We come out with more problems than the original.

I think the fear we need to have is the FEAR OF GOD. Not to fear that a virus is going to kill us. Even if it does, as believers, that shouldn't faze us... We should know that life in this world is temporary and that there is the eternal. So, by all means go for it. There are many others that feel this way as well. Just warning others to be prepared and don't be easily swayed by the media, but to have faith in God.

I'm more concerned of the consequences of not taking the vaccine, than fear of Covid. People who are not vaccinated might probably be second class citizens. Can't travel, can't leave house, and etc. Just possible restrictions in the future.

 

[TruthSeekerJG]

You have a right to your opinion.

The scripture you gave does not apply to going to a doctor for a remedy when you are trusting God at the same time. Also it is not correct to think of physicians of the OT period as Medicine, Hospitals or Doctors. They were the pagan idolatrous witches who believed in spells and incantations and fortune telling, and nonsense at that time that were called physicians not the modern use of the word. Use a Bible dictionary. That is horrible heremeutics to apply it to doctors.

Physician in Easton's Bible Dictionary Asa, afflicted with some bodily malady, "sought not to the Lord but to the physicians" (2 Chr. 16:12). The "physicians" were those who "practised heathen arts of magic, disavowing recognized methods of cure, and dissociating the healing art from dependence on the God of Israel. The sin of Asa was not, therefore, in seeking medical advice, as we understand the phrase, but in forgetting Jehovah."
https://www.bible-history.com/eastons/P/Physician/

I agree that we should not be swayed by misinformation in media or ignorant friends. We should read credible resources which every person should have learned how to find before graduating High School.

I would not take a little wine for my stomach sake. I would interpret that as it being ok to take a medicine that was designed to treat my stomach issue if I had one.

This was not an option when Paul wrote it, but the principle behind his words are applicable, not the wine, which does very little to solve a stomach issue but in that day would have been better than drinking unfiltered dirty water because the alcohol kills germs.

Today we have pure water and we have medicines for specific stomach problems.

Today, writing in the spirit of Paul's authorial intent if I know my missionary friend in Ephesus is suffering stomach issues due to a stomach ulcer caused by a bacteria I would tell him to take the medication they have to kill that bacteria and cure his stomach ulcer that less than 20 years ago they did not have a remedy for.

They discovered that there was a bacteria that caused many stomach ulcers and they designed an antibacterial medication to cure it. Only a very ignorant person would adhere to the scripture to take a little wine for this stomach ulcer issue instead of the medication just because it was what Paul said to Timothy in 60AD.

Well the main point is that he did not regard God when seeking help for his disease. I'm just going based off of what I've been reading in scripture and have not read a commentary that further elaborates the culture, or medical practice of that time.

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rāp̱a‛: A verb meaning to heal, to make fresh. It describes the process of healing, being restored to health, made healthy, usable, fertile: of Abimilech's household being restored to fertility (Gen_20:17); of physical and spiritual healing (Isa_53:5); of wounds being restored (Lev_13:18; Jer_15:18); of water being restored to a healthy state, drinkable, wholesome (2Ki_2:21-22); of the repair, restoration of an altar (1Ki_18:30); of many diseases being healed (Deu_28:27, Deu_28:35). In its participial forms, it refers to a person who acts as a physician, a healer: God, the Lord, as Israel's healer (Gen_20:17; Exo_15:26; Job_13:4). It describes the restoring of a person's soul, life (Psa_41:4 [5]). In an emphatic construction, it indicates having a person healed, cared for (Exo_21:19). It is used in its reflexive infinitive to note a purpose, in order to be (get) healed, from (min) wounds inflicted in battle (2Ki_8:29; 2Ki_9:15). God alone was able to heal the wounds of His broken people (Hos_5:13; Hos_6:1; Hos_7:1). A true leader in Israel was to heal, care for the people of Israel (Zec_11:16).

I'm also not throwing out all the doctors, but I do question the curriculum from which they practice. There's ways to prevent a good majority of ailments through good nutrition, posture, and movement. Let's be honest, we play ignorant about our sinful lifestyle and just seek a quick fix. Totally ignoring that eating junk, staying sedentary, or even improper movement over time drags us down. That's just fact! We have been conditioned over time to just take the quick fix and actually lack the proper knowledge to take care of ourselves. Instead we just go to the doctor, or go get drugs. This has just been my personal experience in the fitness industry, which is my passion. Taking vaccines don't seem logical to me, especially when we understand that we already have an immune system that creates it's own antibodies. But somehow we're going to speed the process up by injecting a concoction of chemicals into our bloodstream? I don't know. lol

 

[TruthSeekerJG]

I'm more concerned of the consequences of not taking the vaccine, than fear of Covid. People who are not vaccinated might probably be second class citizens. Can't travel, can't leave house, and etc. Just possible restrictions in the future.

Exactly, and I would say this can possibly be the precursor of not being able to buy or sell. That's why all of this is crazy. Even talking about having vaccination identification cards in order to identify if we received it or not. This in turn can limit us from accessing those things you mentioned. Groceries, travel, or even getting fired from our job because we didn't take the vaccination. That's where it is literally headed as we speak. We need to wake up and realize what is going on. That's also what I mean that we are being conditioned to go along with the one world order.

 

[GaryA]

I'm also not throwing out all the doctors, but I do question the curriculum from which they practice. There's ways to prevent a good majority of ailments through good nutrition, posture, and movement. Let's be honest, we play ignorant about our sinful lifestyle and just seek a quick fix. Totally ignoring that eating junk, staying sedentary, or even improper movement over time drags us down. That's just fact! We have been conditioned over time to just take the quick fix and actually lack the proper knowledge to take care of ourselves. Instead we just go to the doctor, or go get drugs. This has just been my personal experience in the fitness industry, which is my passion. Taking vaccines don't seem logical to me, especially when we understand that we already have an immune system that creates it's own antibodies. But somehow we're going to speed the process up by injecting a concoction of chemicals into our bloodstream? I don't know. lol

Exactly!

 

[Scribe]

This is the thing that you do not seem to understand - 'diet' alone can accomplish...


Of course it can happen - it happened already - the day God made Adam.

The cure for cancer is already in your body and mine. And, it is controlled and regulated by 'diet' alone. It is our immune system.

If you have cancer, the way to get rid of it is to create and maintain a "slightly" alkaline blood chemistry - the cancer will die. Why? Because, cancer cannot live and thrive in an alkaline environment. Research it!

And then - ask yourself why the people you are trusting to "cure the COVID problem" have been doing everything in their power to prevent people from learning about such things as is illustrated in the previous paragraph.

You have fallen for the lie that the immune system that God put in our bodies is not good enough.


Why refuse the solution God provided to every human being when He made Adam?

You didn't even need to pray for it ("to come about") - you already have it in you.

This is how God set it up to work. And it does work - the 'natural' way - that God created.

All you have to do is to give it what it needs - and, it will "take care of" whatever ails you.

Please understand the context of the above statement - it is a "general" statement about "general" health.

It is well-known that certain types of cyanide poising will kill you in minutes or [even] seconds. I am not talking about those kind of 'exceptions'.

The problem is - people want to 'abuse' their system - and then try to make use of man-made band-aide solutions (that create more health problems) to "counter" the damage that they do to their system.

IF people give their system what it needs - and DO NOT give it things that will weaken it - it will keep them healthy.

This is God's way - for natural health.

I have researched it back when my Dad died and when he was believing it and it was wrong then and it is still wrong. My dad believe these flaky theories and died of cancer. He thought the alkaline theory was correct but he was wrong.

Researching it quickly yields the information of what a bunch of hogwash it is.

Cancer can be cured by killing cancer cells but doing that without killing the host is the challenge. Now with mRNA there might be a cure around the corner.

Our bodies might have been perfect before sin but they are not today. There are genetic flaws that can't be fixed with diet but there are genetic solutions that might fix some of them. We can keep working on it until we find solutions even if we never find them all.
As to the COVID 19 virus, You eat your broccoli, and I will get a vaccine and we will see who gets COVID and who does not. Your chances of getting infected are growing exponentially every day. Stay safe my friend.

 

[kinda]

Exactly, and I would say this can possibly be the precursor of not being able to buy or sell. That's why all of this is crazy. Even talking about having vaccination identification cards in order to identify if we received it or not. This in turn can limit us from accessing those things you mentioned. Groceries, travel, groceries, or even getting fired from our job because we didn't take the vaccination. That's where it is literally headed as we speak. We need to wake up and realize what is going on.

Maybe in 5 years, it will come to this. Imigination can go wild.

 

[TruthSeekerJG]

Maybe in 5 years, it will come to this. Imigination can go wild.


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Yep, that's why we have to stay steadfast in His Word and Trust. Supposed to be a light in this dark world, even if they reject us.

Jesus said,
John 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

 

[GaryA]

Maybe in 5 years, it will come to this. Imigination can go wild.


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Pfffffttt...

That's not a "wild" imagination! (Think like Dundee saying "That's not a knife...")

A really good imagination says it could be like that in 5 months.

("Lord, I certainly hope not.")