ALERT: THE VACCINE MIGHT BE THE MARK OF THE BEAST
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You said - Since the church is not appointed to suffer God's coming wrath, then believers in Christ must be gathered prior to the opening of the first seal. Believers within the church will never see the antichrist.
For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ - 1 Thessalonians 5:9
The Anti-christ and his Mark are both here soon to be revealed.
What scripture(s) can you show that Christians(the Church) will not face the AntiChrist?
1 Thess 5:9 does not say that. It says we are not appointed to the wrath of God.
The only wrath we are spared from is the MOST important one - God's wrath = Jesus has delivered us from the wrath (God's) to come.
Where does it say we will not suffer tribulation?
Where does the scriptures say that BEFORE the Resurrection a special group of believers get Pre-Trib raptured?
This scripture alone destroys pre-trib falsehood : And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come. 1 Thess 1:10
There is a HUGE difference between God's wrath and having to suffer persecution/tribulation/ satan's wrath
For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ - 1 Thessalonians 5:9
The Anti-christ and his Mark are both here soon to be revealed.
What scripture(s) can you show that Christians(the Church) will not face the AntiChrist?
1 Thess 5:9 does not say that. It says we are not appointed to the wrath of God.
The only wrath we are spared from is the MOST important one - God's wrath = Jesus has delivered us from the wrath (God's) to come.
Where does it say we will not suffer tribulation?
Where does the scriptures say that BEFORE the Resurrection a special group of believers get Pre-Trib raptured?
This scripture alone destroys pre-trib falsehood : And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come. 1 Thess 1:10
There is a HUGE difference between God's wrath and having to suffer persecution/tribulation/ satan's wrath
It doesn’t matter what they say.
There may be a slight reprieve of a day, a week, maybe even a month.
But make no mistake. This IS it. They are NOT going to just let this go. They have orchestrated everything from the virus to the vaccine to the inevitable collapse of the dollar, to their great reset.
Look at the quick progression with the vaccine.
1. March - June 2020. “It will be at least a year, if ever, that a vaccine is developed.”
2. December, 2020 January, February 2021.
They made you feel like you won a billion dollar lottery if you were one of the lucky ones to get the vaccine.
3. March - June 2021. “ Free beer, donuts, tickets, money, million dollar lotteries etc… Come join the fun so you don’t have to wear a mask, and you can hug grandma!”
4. July 2021 - Present. “The time for being nice to get people vaccinated is over.” You can lose your job, not travel, go to school, arenas and theaters, to ALL businesses. Culminating in the mandate of showing your vaccine papers to buy or sell.
All the while the mind numbed zombie lemmings help implement their satanic plan. Not realizing that these elites want THEM dead and or completely controlled as well.
It is going to get much uglier very quickly.
There may be a slight reprieve of a day, a week, maybe even a month.
But make no mistake. This IS it. They are NOT going to just let this go. They have orchestrated everything from the virus to the vaccine to the inevitable collapse of the dollar, to their great reset.
Look at the quick progression with the vaccine.
1. March - June 2020. “It will be at least a year, if ever, that a vaccine is developed.”
2. December, 2020 January, February 2021.
They made you feel like you won a billion dollar lottery if you were one of the lucky ones to get the vaccine.
3. March - June 2021. “ Free beer, donuts, tickets, money, million dollar lotteries etc… Come join the fun so you don’t have to wear a mask, and you can hug grandma!”
4. July 2021 - Present. “The time for being nice to get people vaccinated is over.” You can lose your job, not travel, go to school, arenas and theaters, to ALL businesses. Culminating in the mandate of showing your vaccine papers to buy or sell.
All the while the mind numbed zombie lemmings help implement their satanic plan. Not realizing that these elites want THEM dead and or completely controlled as well.
It is going to get much uglier very quickly.
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First thing I want to say to you is - Love You My Brother - We are both eagerly waiting for our Savior and to be given New Glorified Immortal Bodies by being Transformed into His Likeness - AMEN
The first seal is not the beginning of God's wrath - PLEASE go over Revelation again, slowly - Peace, Mercy, Grace and Blessing
The first seal is not the beginning of God's wrath - PLEASE go over Revelation again, slowly - Peace, Mercy, Grace and Blessing
First Seal = Symbolically represents the antichrist and which Initiates God's wrath
Since the the church is not appointed to suffer God's wrath, then we must be removed prior to the first seal being opened, which again is representing the revealing of the antichrist.
The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, as well as the plagues that the two witnesses will bring, are how God's wrath is going to be carried out.
So you believe that we are not appointed to suffer God's ultimate wrath, but are appointed to suffer His coming wrath upon the earth. Unbelievable and wrong! Others have attempted to use this as a false apologetic saying that believers are not appointed to suffer God's ultimate wrath of the lake of fire, but we are appointed to suffer God's coming wrath on the earth. That's hogwash! We are not appointed to suffer any wrath, whether the coming wrath upon this earth, nor the wrath of being condemned in the lake of fire and that because Jesus experienced God's wrath on behalf of every believer, satisfying it completely.
"But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed."
"Whoever rejects the Son will not see life. Instead, the wrath of God remains on him.”
Regarding the above verse, the opposite is true for those who believe, i.e. believers will see life and God's wrath no longer remains on us. When we believed we were credited with righteousness and reconciled to God through faith. God's wrath no longer rests upon those who believe and therefore must be gathered from the earth prior to the first seal being opened, which is representing the revealing of the antichrist and which initiates the beginning of God's wrath.
The time period of God's wrath is also referred to as the tribulation period, the Day of the Lord, The hour of Trial, the time of God's vengeance, etc. Therefore, believers in Christ will not be on the earth for God's time of tribulation, i.e. His wrath, because we are not appointed to suffer it.
Your error, just as with so many others who have raised this same argument many times is that, you have not understood that there is a difference between the common trials and tribulation that Jesus said believers would experience because of our faith in Him vs. God's coming, unprecedented, direct wrath. They are not the same. There is no "Satan's wrath!" Someone started that false teaching and it has been circulating every since. That last seven years which is the tribulation period and everything that takes place within it, is the time of God's wrath. Just because Satan gets angry when he is cast out of heaven does not mean that it is his time of wrath. In fact, Satan and his angels being cast out of heaven and restricted to the earth are the results of the 7th trumpet/3rd woe which comes from God. It's God's time of wrath, not Satan's!
The other error is neither understanding the severity and magnitude of God's coming wrath, nor having an in depth understanding of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. With just the 4th seal and the 6th trumpet alone--a fourth and a third respectively--over half of the earth's population will have been killed within the first 3 1/2 years of that seven year period. And that is not including the fatalities resulting from trumpets 1, 2 & 3, nor the fatalities from the bowl judgments. By the time the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, the majority of the earth's population will have been decimated and all human government dismantled. And you believe that the Lord is going to put His bride through His wrath?
No! The Lord is going to keep His promise in John 14:1-3, by coming back to gather His church prior to the on-set of His wrath and to take us back to the Father's house to those places that He went to prepare for us. God does not punish the righteous with the wicked, which is what God's wrath is going to be, punishment!
Since the the church is not appointed to suffer God's wrath, then we must be removed prior to the first seal being opened, which again is representing the revealing of the antichrist.
The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, as well as the plagues that the two witnesses will bring, are how God's wrath is going to be carried out.
So you believe that we are not appointed to suffer God's ultimate wrath, but are appointed to suffer His coming wrath upon the earth. Unbelievable and wrong! Others have attempted to use this as a false apologetic saying that believers are not appointed to suffer God's ultimate wrath of the lake of fire, but we are appointed to suffer God's coming wrath on the earth. That's hogwash! We are not appointed to suffer any wrath, whether the coming wrath upon this earth, nor the wrath of being condemned in the lake of fire and that because Jesus experienced God's wrath on behalf of every believer, satisfying it completely.
"But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed."
"Whoever rejects the Son will not see life. Instead, the wrath of God remains on him.”
Regarding the above verse, the opposite is true for those who believe, i.e. believers will see life and God's wrath no longer remains on us. When we believed we were credited with righteousness and reconciled to God through faith. God's wrath no longer rests upon those who believe and therefore must be gathered from the earth prior to the first seal being opened, which is representing the revealing of the antichrist and which initiates the beginning of God's wrath.
The time period of God's wrath is also referred to as the tribulation period, the Day of the Lord, The hour of Trial, the time of God's vengeance, etc. Therefore, believers in Christ will not be on the earth for God's time of tribulation, i.e. His wrath, because we are not appointed to suffer it.
Your error, just as with so many others who have raised this same argument many times is that, you have not understood that there is a difference between the common trials and tribulation that Jesus said believers would experience because of our faith in Him vs. God's coming, unprecedented, direct wrath. They are not the same. There is no "Satan's wrath!" Someone started that false teaching and it has been circulating every since. That last seven years which is the tribulation period and everything that takes place within it, is the time of God's wrath. Just because Satan gets angry when he is cast out of heaven does not mean that it is his time of wrath. In fact, Satan and his angels being cast out of heaven and restricted to the earth are the results of the 7th trumpet/3rd woe which comes from God. It's God's time of wrath, not Satan's!
The other error is neither understanding the severity and magnitude of God's coming wrath, nor having an in depth understanding of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. With just the 4th seal and the 6th trumpet alone--a fourth and a third respectively--over half of the earth's population will have been killed within the first 3 1/2 years of that seven year period. And that is not including the fatalities resulting from trumpets 1, 2 & 3, nor the fatalities from the bowl judgments. By the time the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, the majority of the earth's population will have been decimated and all human government dismantled. And you believe that the Lord is going to put His bride through His wrath?
No! The Lord is going to keep His promise in John 14:1-3, by coming back to gather His church prior to the on-set of His wrath and to take us back to the Father's house to those places that He went to prepare for us. God does not punish the righteous with the wicked, which is what God's wrath is going to be, punishment!
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Friend, I have been going over Revelation for over 45 years, so I have gone over everything more than I can count and continue to do so. I live in the book of Revelation, as I am always in it. It has become the grand central station of the Bible for me. So please don't infer that I am not familiar with it. It is only because you haven't been revealed the same information that I have and so you reject it.
What you need to understand is that, it is the Lamb/Jesus who is opening the seals, which leads into the trumpets and is followed by the bowl judgments. Therefore, He is responsible for all of the resulting fatalities and destruction that they will bring. Satan is not the one opening the seals, Jesus is, ergo, it is God's wrath.
What you need to understand is that, it is the Lamb/Jesus who is opening the seals, which leads into the trumpets and is followed by the bowl judgments. Therefore, He is responsible for all of the resulting fatalities and destruction that they will bring. Satan is not the one opening the seals, Jesus is, ergo, it is God's wrath.
To everyone who has been sold the lie of Pre-Trib rapture - repent and turn back to God's Words and the Apostles Teaching.
Everything else is Religion and comes from carnal christians who are puffed up with human knowledge.
There are no scriptures to make the claim of pre-trib rapture - Not one - they only exist in the minds of those who twist, add or take away.
Here are the undeniable proof texts of GOD's WORD:
Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days: ‘The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’ 30 At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.…
The Body of Christ are God's Elect - Jesus is speaking to the Elect of God = We who are in Christ = 1 Peter 1:1-3
Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave, or free, but Christ is all and is in all. Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, clothe yourselves with hearts of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience. Colossians 3:11-12
Elect of God = "For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence." Ephesians ch 1
For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.
31What then shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32He who did not spare His own Son but gave Him up for us all, how will He not also, along with Him, freely give us all things? 33Who will bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. Romans ch 8
The Lord Jesus Christ and the Apostle Paul and the Apostle John said that we, God's Elect, will face the Anti-Christ
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour ; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.
For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.
By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians ch 4
Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to Him, we ask you, brothers, not to be easily disconcerted or alarmed by any spirit or message or letter seeming to be from us, alleging that the Day of the Lord has already come. Let no one deceive you in any way, for it will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness—the son of destruction—is revealed. 2 Thessalonians ch 2
Anyone who preaches and teaches Pre-Trib rapture is DECIEVED = REPENT REPENT REPENT
Everything else is Religion and comes from carnal christians who are puffed up with human knowledge.
There are no scriptures to make the claim of pre-trib rapture - Not one - they only exist in the minds of those who twist, add or take away.
Here are the undeniable proof texts of GOD's WORD:
Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days: ‘The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’ 30 At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.…
The Body of Christ are God's Elect - Jesus is speaking to the Elect of God = We who are in Christ = 1 Peter 1:1-3
Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave, or free, but Christ is all and is in all. Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, clothe yourselves with hearts of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience. Colossians 3:11-12
Elect of God = "For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence." Ephesians ch 1
For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.
31What then shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32He who did not spare His own Son but gave Him up for us all, how will He not also, along with Him, freely give us all things? 33Who will bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. Romans ch 8
The Lord Jesus Christ and the Apostle Paul and the Apostle John said that we, God's Elect, will face the Anti-Christ
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour ; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.
For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.
By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians ch 4
Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to Him, we ask you, brothers, not to be easily disconcerted or alarmed by any spirit or message or letter seeming to be from us, alleging that the Day of the Lord has already come. Let no one deceive you in any way, for it will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness—the son of destruction—is revealed. 2 Thessalonians ch 2
Anyone who preaches and teaches Pre-Trib rapture is DECIEVED = REPENT REPENT REPENT
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“At least 90% of us were vaccinated. I mean, I wouldn’t have gone especially if it put my in-laws at risk. So we were thinking we were good. We weren’t worried about it at all, not in the slightest,” Hardman said.
But after they got back, she said she and many of her relatives starting developing symptoms, enough to prompt them to get tested for COVID-19.
“My father-in-law, me, my husband and they just started pouring in after that... So far, 25 have confirmed positive,” Hardman said.
She said all 25, including herself, had been fully vaccinated. She and her family members had various vaccines from Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson.
“At least 90% of us were vaccinated. I mean, I wouldn’t have gone especially if it put my in-laws at risk. So we were thinking we were good. We weren’t worried about it at all, not in the slightest,” Hardman said.
But after they got back, she said she and many of her relatives starting developing symptoms, enough to prompt them to get tested for COVID-19.
“My father-in-law, me, my husband and they just started pouring in after that... So far, 25 have confirmed positive,” Hardman said.
She said all 25, including herself, had been fully vaccinated. She and her family members had various vaccines from Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson.
Wrong! We continue to show you the proof, but you cannot receive it, but continue to reject it.
"Because you have kept My command to persevere, I will also keep you out of the hour of testing that is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth."
The 'hour of testing' is another phrase for 'the Day of the Lord,' the tribulation, God's time of wrath, i.e. He will keep us out of that time of wrath that is about to come upon the whole world.
He's not going to keep us in or through that time of wrath, but out of it, i.e. we will never be exposed to God's wrath.
Well as usual, it's deniable! The above event is when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age and has nothing to do with the event of the gathering of the church. They are two separate events and with two separate purposes and taking place at different times. The people who will be mourning will be those wicked who will have rejected Christ and will then be seeing Him arriving on the clouds of the air.
Also, those whom the angels will be gathering will be those who will have made it through the tribulation period alive. According to the parable in Matt.13 of the weeds and wheat, they will be gathering the wicked/weeds first, then the wheat. The church is not in view here.
Your error is not recognizing the event of the gathering of the church as being separate from the Lord's return to the earth to end the age. As long as you make them the same event, your teaching on end-time events will always be in error.
Gathering of the church = The Lord resurrects the dead in Christ and the living in Christ are changed immortal and caught up to be with the Lord. (John 14:1-3, 1 Thess.4:13-18, 1 Cor.15:51-53)
The Second coming = The Lord's return to the earth to end the age and establish His millennial kingdom (Matt.24:29-31, Rev.1:7, 19:11-21.
Revelation 19:6-8 shows the bride already in heaven attending the wedding of the Lamb and receiving her fine linen, white and clean. Then in v.14 it shows the armies of heaven wearing the same fine linen and following the Lord out of heaven to the earth riding on white horses. You can't follow the Lord out of heaven unless you're already in heaven. But I am sure that after reading this, you will immediately look for some way to distort or circumvent this information. It's what you guys do! But the truth remains in that, the church will be gathered prior to the on-set of God's wrath which begins at the opening of the first seal.
"Because you have kept My command to persevere, I will also keep you out of the hour of testing that is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth."
The 'hour of testing' is another phrase for 'the Day of the Lord,' the tribulation, God's time of wrath, i.e. He will keep us out of that time of wrath that is about to come upon the whole world.
He's not going to keep us in or through that time of wrath, but out of it, i.e. we will never be exposed to God's wrath.
Well as usual, it's deniable! The above event is when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age and has nothing to do with the event of the gathering of the church. They are two separate events and with two separate purposes and taking place at different times. The people who will be mourning will be those wicked who will have rejected Christ and will then be seeing Him arriving on the clouds of the air.
Also, those whom the angels will be gathering will be those who will have made it through the tribulation period alive. According to the parable in Matt.13 of the weeds and wheat, they will be gathering the wicked/weeds first, then the wheat. The church is not in view here.
Your error is not recognizing the event of the gathering of the church as being separate from the Lord's return to the earth to end the age. As long as you make them the same event, your teaching on end-time events will always be in error.
Gathering of the church = The Lord resurrects the dead in Christ and the living in Christ are changed immortal and caught up to be with the Lord. (John 14:1-3, 1 Thess.4:13-18, 1 Cor.15:51-53)
The Second coming = The Lord's return to the earth to end the age and establish His millennial kingdom (Matt.24:29-31, Rev.1:7, 19:11-21.
Revelation 19:6-8 shows the bride already in heaven attending the wedding of the Lamb and receiving her fine linen, white and clean. Then in v.14 it shows the armies of heaven wearing the same fine linen and following the Lord out of heaven to the earth riding on white horses. You can't follow the Lord out of heaven unless you're already in heaven. But I am sure that after reading this, you will immediately look for some way to distort or circumvent this information. It's what you guys do! But the truth remains in that, the church will be gathered prior to the on-set of God's wrath which begins at the opening of the first seal.
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Your error is not beleiveing God's Word and worse = adding / taking away from it - REPENT
Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to Him, we ask you, brothers, not to be easily disconcerted or alarmed by any spirit or message or letter seeming to be from us, alleging that the Day of the Lord has already come. Let no one deceive you in any way, for it will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness—the son of destruction—is revealed. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2
REPENT
Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to Him, we ask you, brothers, not to be easily disconcerted or alarmed by any spirit or message or letter seeming to be from us, alleging that the Day of the Lord has already come. Let no one deceive you in any way, for it will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness—the son of destruction—is revealed. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2
REPENT
It is you who needs to reread the scripture that you posted above.
Here is the same scripture again except I will highlight the most important part that you missed, which is "the Day of the Lord":
"Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to Him, we ask you, brothers, not to be easily disconcerted or alarmed by any spirit or message or letter seeming to be from us, alleging that the Day of the Lord has already come. Let no one deceive you in any way, for [it] (the day of the Lord) will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness—the son of destruction—is revealed."
The 'coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to Him, is not the same as "The Day of the Lord," which you failed to recognize.
The coming of our Lord and our being gathered to Him = the event of when the church is caught up to meet the Lord in the air.
The Day of the Lord = The time of God's wrath which follows the gathering of the church.
So it is "The Day of the Lord" that will not come until the apostasy occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed. Both of those events are proof that "The Day of the Lord" has come and not our being gathered to Him, which takes place first.
All that you continue to do is misapply scripture. I have had this same discussion regarding this scripture many years prior to this. You're not presenting anything that I haven't already contended against.
The reason that Paul starts off with "Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to Him" is because there were men in Thessalonica who were teaching that the Day of the Lord, the time of God's wrath, had already come. And since they knew Paul's teaching regarding the Lord appearing and our being gathered to Him to meet him in the air as taking place before God's wrath, they were concerned as to why they had not been caught up according to Paul's teaching.
Pay attention to the change that Paul makes in the scripture from 'our being gathered' vs. 'the Day of the Lord.'
I would suggest that you do a study on 'The Day of the Lord' scriptures. You will find that they all have to do with God's wrath being poured out upon the earth.
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I will completely sweep away
everything from the face of the earth,”
declares the LORD.
“I will sweep away man and beast;
I will sweep away the birds of the air,
and the fish of the sea,
and the idols with their wicked worshipers.
I will cut off mankind
from the face of the earth,”
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The great Day of the LORD is near—
near and coming quickly.
Listen, the Day of the LORD!
Then the cry of the mighty will be bitter.
That day will be a day of wrath,
a day of trouble and distress,
a day of destruction and desolation,
a day of darkness and gloom,
a day of clouds and blackness,
a day of horn blast and battle cry
against the fortified cities,
and against the high corner towers.
I will bring such distress on mankind
that they will walk like the blind,
because they have sinned against the LORD.
Their blood will be poured out like dust
and their flesh like dung.
Neither their silver nor their gold
will be able to deliver them
on the Day of the LORD’s wrath.
The whole earth will be consumed
by the fire of His jealousy.”
For indeed, He will make a sudden end
of all who dwell on the earth.
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The Lord's appearing and our being gathered to Him has nothing to do with the Day of the Lord, the time of God's wrath, except that it takes place prior to said wrath and that because we are not appointed to suffer God's wrath.
Here is the same scripture again except I will highlight the most important part that you missed, which is "the Day of the Lord":
"Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to Him, we ask you, brothers, not to be easily disconcerted or alarmed by any spirit or message or letter seeming to be from us, alleging that the Day of the Lord has already come. Let no one deceive you in any way, for [it] (the day of the Lord) will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness—the son of destruction—is revealed."
The 'coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to Him, is not the same as "The Day of the Lord," which you failed to recognize.
The coming of our Lord and our being gathered to Him = the event of when the church is caught up to meet the Lord in the air.
The Day of the Lord = The time of God's wrath which follows the gathering of the church.
So it is "The Day of the Lord" that will not come until the apostasy occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed. Both of those events are proof that "The Day of the Lord" has come and not our being gathered to Him, which takes place first.
All that you continue to do is misapply scripture. I have had this same discussion regarding this scripture many years prior to this. You're not presenting anything that I haven't already contended against.
The reason that Paul starts off with "Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to Him" is because there were men in Thessalonica who were teaching that the Day of the Lord, the time of God's wrath, had already come. And since they knew Paul's teaching regarding the Lord appearing and our being gathered to Him to meet him in the air as taking place before God's wrath, they were concerned as to why they had not been caught up according to Paul's teaching.
Pay attention to the change that Paul makes in the scripture from 'our being gathered' vs. 'the Day of the Lord.'
I would suggest that you do a study on 'The Day of the Lord' scriptures. You will find that they all have to do with God's wrath being poured out upon the earth.
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I will completely sweep away
everything from the face of the earth,”
declares the LORD.
“I will sweep away man and beast;
I will sweep away the birds of the air,
and the fish of the sea,
and the idols with their wicked worshipers.
I will cut off mankind
from the face of the earth,”
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The great Day of the LORD is near—
near and coming quickly.
Listen, the Day of the LORD!
Then the cry of the mighty will be bitter.
That day will be a day of wrath,
a day of trouble and distress,
a day of destruction and desolation,
a day of darkness and gloom,
a day of clouds and blackness,
a day of horn blast and battle cry
against the fortified cities,
and against the high corner towers.
I will bring such distress on mankind
that they will walk like the blind,
because they have sinned against the LORD.
Their blood will be poured out like dust
and their flesh like dung.
Neither their silver nor their gold
will be able to deliver them
on the Day of the LORD’s wrath.
The whole earth will be consumed
by the fire of His jealousy.”
For indeed, He will make a sudden end
of all who dwell on the earth.
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The Lord's appearing and our being gathered to Him has nothing to do with the Day of the Lord, the time of God's wrath, except that it takes place prior to said wrath and that because we are not appointed to suffer God's wrath.
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