AI (Artificial Intelligence) and the Image of the Beast (Antichrist)
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The Abraham accords makes Jerusalem Israel's capital and it encourages Israel to rebuild the temple in vague terms about tourism. Why would you "strengthen that for 7 years"? Is the Antichrist going to say "hey, we'll agree to recognize Jerusalem as your capital for seven years? That doesn't make sense. It is an expensive decision, countries would move their embassies, why would they do that for seven years?
Agenda 2030 is a covenant that has already been made but people are not keeping it, so they want to strengthen it for seven years by controlling what people can buy and sell with a digital currency. They are doing this at the UN during the Feast of Trumpets this year. Perhaps they will encourage Israel to sign on with a quid pro quo, saying they will also sign the Abraham accords, but the bottom line is that what they are doing this Feast of Trumpets is the closest thing I have ever seen to Daniel 9
Agenda 2030 is a covenant that has already been made but people are not keeping it, so they want to strengthen it for seven years by controlling what people can buy and sell with a digital currency. They are doing this at the UN during the Feast of Trumpets this year. Perhaps they will encourage Israel to sign on with a quid pro quo, saying they will also sign the Abraham accords, but the bottom line is that what they are doing this Feast of Trumpets is the closest thing I have ever seen to Daniel 9
Bible prophecy is not some "date in the future". Everything the Bible tells us is good for instruction to us today. We know the day will come when just like the 9th of Av and the 15th of Av. 10/12 of the nation of Israel will be cursed for unbelief and 2/12 like Joshua and Caleb will be commended for their faith and trust in the Lord. That word applies to everyone at every time.
The mockers and scoffers want to turn prophecy into a date because they don't want to embrace the word that God is speaking to us.
The 9th and 15th of Av is a great shadow of what happens to the remnant, those left behind during the tribulation. But it doesn't say anything about God's judgement on the world and that also is part of the judgement that takes place during these last seven years before the millennial kingdom.
I used to teach HS science where every year it ended in a big statewide final exam. Some teachers focused on the day and time of the exam, with a daily reminder of how long till the exam. I thought that was almost pointless. Knowing when the date is has little or nothing to do with whether or not you know the material and can actually pass the exam. The day of the Lord is just like the day of Atonement where we get judged. The goal would be to be found in the book of life and I doubt knowing the day and time makes much difference.
The mockers and scoffers want to turn prophecy into a date because they don't want to embrace the word that God is speaking to us.
The 9th and 15th of Av is a great shadow of what happens to the remnant, those left behind during the tribulation. But it doesn't say anything about God's judgement on the world and that also is part of the judgement that takes place during these last seven years before the millennial kingdom.
I used to teach HS science where every year it ended in a big statewide final exam. Some teachers focused on the day and time of the exam, with a daily reminder of how long till the exam. I thought that was almost pointless. Knowing when the date is has little or nothing to do with whether or not you know the material and can actually pass the exam. The day of the Lord is just like the day of Atonement where we get judged. The goal would be to be found in the book of life and I doubt knowing the day and time makes much difference.
I see this Scripture in the same light as Daniel 9:27, the "covenant with many".
Daniel 11
[30] For the ships of Chittim shall come against him [anti-christ]: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.
Therefore, given that the UN seven-year rescue plan is an unholy covenant, it's not related to Daniel's "covenant with many" — which is a holy covenant. The Abraham Accords, however, have the potential to be the holy covenant. That's the way I am seeing things.
Daniel 11
[30] For the ships of Chittim shall come against him [anti-christ]: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.
Therefore, given that the UN seven-year rescue plan is an unholy covenant, it's not related to Daniel's "covenant with many" — which is a holy covenant. The Abraham Accords, however, have the potential to be the holy covenant. That's the way I am seeing things.
The way I see things we need to have an open mind.
For example:
1. Is the tribulation 7 years long? Bible never says that. It seems everyone says that and yet no one ever provides a verse that says that. Obviously the 70th week is 7 years, but where is the Bible verse that says the tribulation is 7 years. Yes, it talks about a 42 month ministry of the two witnesses. But the idea that the only tribulation in the church age is this seven year period is absurd. It is important because many interpret the verse that says we must go through tribulation as meaning we must go through this seven year period.
2. When was / is the first seal opened? Many teach it is opened at the start of the 7 year 70th week, but Revelation doesn't say that. On the contrary it says that Jesus appears to have just be slain when He opens it. Anyone who holds to that theory has to explain what mystery Paul is referring to in Ephesians that was hidden from the ages and generations but now has been revealed to the apostles and prophets. The same is true of war, famine, plague and martyring the saints. Are we supposed to simply ignore 2,000 years of church history and pretend we didn't see all those things again and again? Ignore the holocaust? Ignore the atomic bomb?
3. Does the Antichrist get revealed before or after the restrainer steps aside? The knee jerk response is after, but if that is so who is the restrainer restraining? How can I be one with the Holy Spirit to restrain the man of lawlessness if I can't see him? It seems to me that the Antichrist is being restrained by the Holy Spirit operating in His saints and when they are raptured then He is free to be manifested to those who are not one with the Holy Spirit.
4. How could we know that the number of the name of the Antichrist is 666 if the first seal revealing the Antichrist has not been opened yet? Wouldn't that be something that was sealed?
5. Paul in Colossians says that the feasts are a shadow of things to come? Which feast shows the saints being raptured to the heavens to be kept safely prior to the last seven years known as the 70th week?
6. Many have taught that the covenant confirmed by the Antichrist is a peace treaty because of the verse "when they say peace and security then sudden destruction". But Daniel doesn't say that, nor does it makes sense to confirm a "seven year peace treaty". That sounds more like a delayed declaration of war.
7. Revelation is the conclusion to the Bible. You don't introduce something new in a conclusion, rather you tie everything together. The seven seals need to be something that the Bible has already referred to and if you don't think it is what Paul is referring to in Ephesians point us to the Bible verses it is referring to.
For example:
1. Is the tribulation 7 years long? Bible never says that. It seems everyone says that and yet no one ever provides a verse that says that. Obviously the 70th week is 7 years, but where is the Bible verse that says the tribulation is 7 years. Yes, it talks about a 42 month ministry of the two witnesses. But the idea that the only tribulation in the church age is this seven year period is absurd. It is important because many interpret the verse that says we must go through tribulation as meaning we must go through this seven year period.
2. When was / is the first seal opened? Many teach it is opened at the start of the 7 year 70th week, but Revelation doesn't say that. On the contrary it says that Jesus appears to have just be slain when He opens it. Anyone who holds to that theory has to explain what mystery Paul is referring to in Ephesians that was hidden from the ages and generations but now has been revealed to the apostles and prophets. The same is true of war, famine, plague and martyring the saints. Are we supposed to simply ignore 2,000 years of church history and pretend we didn't see all those things again and again? Ignore the holocaust? Ignore the atomic bomb?
3. Does the Antichrist get revealed before or after the restrainer steps aside? The knee jerk response is after, but if that is so who is the restrainer restraining? How can I be one with the Holy Spirit to restrain the man of lawlessness if I can't see him? It seems to me that the Antichrist is being restrained by the Holy Spirit operating in His saints and when they are raptured then He is free to be manifested to those who are not one with the Holy Spirit.
4. How could we know that the number of the name of the Antichrist is 666 if the first seal revealing the Antichrist has not been opened yet? Wouldn't that be something that was sealed?
5. Paul in Colossians says that the feasts are a shadow of things to come? Which feast shows the saints being raptured to the heavens to be kept safely prior to the last seven years known as the 70th week?
6. Many have taught that the covenant confirmed by the Antichrist is a peace treaty because of the verse "when they say peace and security then sudden destruction". But Daniel doesn't say that, nor does it makes sense to confirm a "seven year peace treaty". That sounds more like a delayed declaration of war.
7. Revelation is the conclusion to the Bible. You don't introduce something new in a conclusion, rather you tie everything together. The seven seals need to be something that the Bible has already referred to and if you don't think it is what Paul is referring to in Ephesians point us to the Bible verses it is referring to.
Was not the period BC (Before Christ) to AD (anno Domini) an end of one age, and the beginning of another? Even the bible itself evidences this - Old Testament (Covenant) to New Testament (Covenant).
Jeremiah 31:31“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:”
Hebrews 12:24 “And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.”
2 Corinthians 1:21-22 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
Jeremiah 31:31“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:”
Hebrews 12:24 “And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.”
2 Corinthians 1:21-22 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
The church age is referred to as "the end of days", Jesus was crucified was the new covenant referred to in Ezekiel. The Old Testament told us God would make a new covenant, that was fulfilled when Jesus was crucified. It doesn't say anything about any other covenant being made after that.
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Through the Abraham Accords, Israel is seeking to normalize relations with Saudi Arabia, home of two of the three holiest sites (mosques) in Islam, Mecca (masjid al-haram) and Medina ( al-masjid an-nabawi); the third being in Jerusalem (al-masjid al-aqsa). Jordan currently has custodianship of the al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem. Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman of Saudi Arabia has indicated that he desires guardianship of all three of Islam's holy sites. If he is successful, and Israel normalizes relations with Saudi Arabia through the Abraham Accords, anti-christ could at some point negotiate with the two countries to build the third temple. Stay tuned. We're getting close.
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The pre-tribulation Rapture is a theory based on the mystery of the Scriptures, and it's a very valid theory. It makes sense in that the Church is under grace during the current Church age and will be caught up before God turns His attention back to Israel for their final week (seven years) of punishment. Will it hold to be true? Only time will tell.
I shy away from charts and timelines since everyone has their own and they are all different and instead of helping you to understand the word of God it seems to only confuse the issue.
So then, here is my understanding with that Caveat.
1. I believe, unlike most Bible expositors that the scroll with the seven seals was opened shortly after Jesus rose from the dead and not after the rapture. I understand the confusion because when you read Revelation it certainly appears to have happened after "a rapture" and I also agree that the 24 elders are men, not angels.
However,
1. the account clearly says "as a lamb having just been slain"
2. Paul repeatedly talks about the mystery hidden from the ages having now been opened and being revealed, Ephesians 3 is the strongest place to see this, but he refers to this in Romans, and Corinthians, and Timothy.
3. Revelation is the conclusion to the Bible, as a rule you don't introduce new topics in the conclusion, therefore, where in the Bible does it refer to the resurrected Lamb opening this scroll? When I ask that question it seems obvious that the book of Ephesians talks about it.
4. We had a rapture at the time of Jesus resurrection, the graves were opened and people saw them walking about the city. This was the sheaf of Barley fulfilling the Feast of Firstfruits after Jesus resurrection.
5. The first seal reveals the Antichrist. How could we know that the number of his name is 666 if that seal was not already opened?
6. The second seal refers to war. Haven't many things been revealed to us of the working of Satan when we look at various wars, particularly WWI and WWII? Dont' we know that the whole world lies in the evil one? Haven't we been fighting a spiritual warfare for the last two thousand years?
7. I can go on with famine and plague, but let's skip to the martyrs. How could the fifth seal not be opened? How can anyone ignore all those Christians martyred over the last two thousand years?
One very good question would be "what about the man of lawlessness, he doesn't get revealed until the restrainer steps aside?" OK, who was the restrainer restraining? Isn't that verse saying that the Holy Spirit through the Spirit filled saints are restraining the Antichrist until they are raptured? How can they be restraining him if he hasn't been revealed yet? That verse doesn't mean that the Holy Spirit can't see the Antichrist, it doesn't mean that those who are one with the Holy Spirit are not restraining the Antichrist. It means once they are taken away the curtain is also taken away and the whole world, the soulish and fleshly ones can see the Antichrist.
I understand that this has not yet answered your question, but it is critical because I think the opening of the sixth seal is the pre tribulation rapture. Read the account again with the thought that this is when the whole world realizes it is the tribulation:
12 I looked when He (the Lamb) broke open the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as [h]sackcloth [made] of hair, and the whole moon became like blood; 13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth, like a fig tree shedding its late [summer] figs when shaken by a strong wind. 14 The sky was split [separated from the land] and rolled up like a scroll, and every mountain and island were dislodged and moved out of their places. 15 Then the kings of the earth and the great men and the [i]military commanders and the wealthy and the strong and everyone, [whether] slave or free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains; 16 and they called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne, and from the [righteous] wrath and indignation of the Lamb; 17 for the great day of their wrath and vengeance and retribution has come, and who is able to [face God and] stand [before the wrath of the Lamb]?”
Every time there is an account of a resurrection in the Bible there is an earthquake.
Consider the world today, we have many, many natural disasters, do the kings and rich and famous respond saying "it is the great day of the Lamb's wrath"? No. Something about this earthquake makes everyone know this is not simply "the end of the world" but it is "the wrath of the Lamb". That can only refer to Jesus and the NT. I think the dead in Christ rising from the graves and then the rapture is what brings about this response.
That in turn brings up the next thing I believe that is probably going to blow the minds of your standard eschatology. Everyone (or at least most of the established eschatology) teaches that the tribulation begins on the Feast of Trumpets with the Antichrist confirming a covenant with the many for seven years. I don't fully disagree or agree. The problem I had for a very long time is that the Feast of Trumpets is 10 days before the day of Atonement and everyone agrees that the day of Atonement is where the 7 year tribulation ends. But if that is 7 years why would it be depicted by 10 days called "Jacob's trouble".
So here is where I will blow many minds again.
The book of Joel describes a worldwide pandemic that destroys the economy and causes a "sabbath rest" declared by God as the trumpet announcing that the Day of Judgement is at hand.
I believe that September of 2020 was the fulfillment of the Feast of Trumpets. This is called the "hidden day" and "the longest day". It requires two witnesses to confirm the sighting of the new moon with the Sanhedrin. In September of 2020 there were some claiming this was a bioweapon and a plandemic, but it wasn't all that clear. But by 2021 we had many witnesses making this claim as they were illegally mandating the vaccine and we realized everything was a lie.
Now many realize we are in a bizarro world where good is evil and evil is good. They are giving pornography to elementary school kids, they say $4 billion is too much to build a border wall and yet we send $110 billion to Ukraine to defend their borders without so much as a debate. On many fronts we see those who are restraining this attempted socialist takeover of the US, they are fighting for election integrity, for their children, for border security, etc.
Now we are told that the holy days are a shadow of things to come in Colossians. I have been looking at the holy days to see if there is a shadow of the saints being changed in the twinkling of the eye and taken to the heavenly chamber until the indignation be past? Yes, there is such an event. It happens at the end of the 3rd day after the Feast of Trumpets before sunset, the priest changes into linen clothes and is taken to a chamber in the temple for the next seven days to prepare for the day of atonement and to make sure he is not defiled by someone dying.
That would be right before this coming Feast of Trumpets around September 18-21.
This will coincide with Agenda 2030, a seven year covenant with the many nations of the UN, being strengthened by using a digital currency to insure compliance with their SDGs (sustainable development goals). This is "only" for seven years until they can get the situation with the "climate" under control so that we can have security. It will also coincide with the international day of peace.
But how is this "pre tribulation"? I believe the 70th week for Israel begins on Nisan 1, not Tishrei 1. So the 70th week begins six months from the Feast of Trumpets. This corresponds with King David reigning for 7 1/2 years in Hebron before coming to Jerusalem.
So then, here is my understanding with that Caveat.
1. I believe, unlike most Bible expositors that the scroll with the seven seals was opened shortly after Jesus rose from the dead and not after the rapture. I understand the confusion because when you read Revelation it certainly appears to have happened after "a rapture" and I also agree that the 24 elders are men, not angels.
However,
1. the account clearly says "as a lamb having just been slain"
2. Paul repeatedly talks about the mystery hidden from the ages having now been opened and being revealed, Ephesians 3 is the strongest place to see this, but he refers to this in Romans, and Corinthians, and Timothy.
3. Revelation is the conclusion to the Bible, as a rule you don't introduce new topics in the conclusion, therefore, where in the Bible does it refer to the resurrected Lamb opening this scroll? When I ask that question it seems obvious that the book of Ephesians talks about it.
4. We had a rapture at the time of Jesus resurrection, the graves were opened and people saw them walking about the city. This was the sheaf of Barley fulfilling the Feast of Firstfruits after Jesus resurrection.
5. The first seal reveals the Antichrist. How could we know that the number of his name is 666 if that seal was not already opened?
6. The second seal refers to war. Haven't many things been revealed to us of the working of Satan when we look at various wars, particularly WWI and WWII? Dont' we know that the whole world lies in the evil one? Haven't we been fighting a spiritual warfare for the last two thousand years?
7. I can go on with famine and plague, but let's skip to the martyrs. How could the fifth seal not be opened? How can anyone ignore all those Christians martyred over the last two thousand years?
One very good question would be "what about the man of lawlessness, he doesn't get revealed until the restrainer steps aside?" OK, who was the restrainer restraining? Isn't that verse saying that the Holy Spirit through the Spirit filled saints are restraining the Antichrist until they are raptured? How can they be restraining him if he hasn't been revealed yet? That verse doesn't mean that the Holy Spirit can't see the Antichrist, it doesn't mean that those who are one with the Holy Spirit are not restraining the Antichrist. It means once they are taken away the curtain is also taken away and the whole world, the soulish and fleshly ones can see the Antichrist.
I understand that this has not yet answered your question, but it is critical because I think the opening of the sixth seal is the pre tribulation rapture. Read the account again with the thought that this is when the whole world realizes it is the tribulation:
12 I looked when He (the Lamb) broke open the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as [h]sackcloth [made] of hair, and the whole moon became like blood; 13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth, like a fig tree shedding its late [summer] figs when shaken by a strong wind. 14 The sky was split [separated from the land] and rolled up like a scroll, and every mountain and island were dislodged and moved out of their places. 15 Then the kings of the earth and the great men and the [i]military commanders and the wealthy and the strong and everyone, [whether] slave or free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains; 16 and they called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne, and from the [righteous] wrath and indignation of the Lamb; 17 for the great day of their wrath and vengeance and retribution has come, and who is able to [face God and] stand [before the wrath of the Lamb]?”
Every time there is an account of a resurrection in the Bible there is an earthquake.
Consider the world today, we have many, many natural disasters, do the kings and rich and famous respond saying "it is the great day of the Lamb's wrath"? No. Something about this earthquake makes everyone know this is not simply "the end of the world" but it is "the wrath of the Lamb". That can only refer to Jesus and the NT. I think the dead in Christ rising from the graves and then the rapture is what brings about this response.
That in turn brings up the next thing I believe that is probably going to blow the minds of your standard eschatology. Everyone (or at least most of the established eschatology) teaches that the tribulation begins on the Feast of Trumpets with the Antichrist confirming a covenant with the many for seven years. I don't fully disagree or agree. The problem I had for a very long time is that the Feast of Trumpets is 10 days before the day of Atonement and everyone agrees that the day of Atonement is where the 7 year tribulation ends. But if that is 7 years why would it be depicted by 10 days called "Jacob's trouble".
So here is where I will blow many minds again.
The book of Joel describes a worldwide pandemic that destroys the economy and causes a "sabbath rest" declared by God as the trumpet announcing that the Day of Judgement is at hand.
I believe that September of 2020 was the fulfillment of the Feast of Trumpets. This is called the "hidden day" and "the longest day". It requires two witnesses to confirm the sighting of the new moon with the Sanhedrin. In September of 2020 there were some claiming this was a bioweapon and a plandemic, but it wasn't all that clear. But by 2021 we had many witnesses making this claim as they were illegally mandating the vaccine and we realized everything was a lie.
Now many realize we are in a bizarro world where good is evil and evil is good. They are giving pornography to elementary school kids, they say $4 billion is too much to build a border wall and yet we send $110 billion to Ukraine to defend their borders without so much as a debate. On many fronts we see those who are restraining this attempted socialist takeover of the US, they are fighting for election integrity, for their children, for border security, etc.
Now we are told that the holy days are a shadow of things to come in Colossians. I have been looking at the holy days to see if there is a shadow of the saints being changed in the twinkling of the eye and taken to the heavenly chamber until the indignation be past? Yes, there is such an event. It happens at the end of the 3rd day after the Feast of Trumpets before sunset, the priest changes into linen clothes and is taken to a chamber in the temple for the next seven days to prepare for the day of atonement and to make sure he is not defiled by someone dying.
That would be right before this coming Feast of Trumpets around September 18-21.
This will coincide with Agenda 2030, a seven year covenant with the many nations of the UN, being strengthened by using a digital currency to insure compliance with their SDGs (sustainable development goals). This is "only" for seven years until they can get the situation with the "climate" under control so that we can have security. It will also coincide with the international day of peace.
But how is this "pre tribulation"? I believe the 70th week for Israel begins on Nisan 1, not Tishrei 1. So the 70th week begins six months from the Feast of Trumpets. This corresponds with King David reigning for 7 1/2 years in Hebron before coming to Jerusalem.
Trending Toward A Cashless Society: One Hundred Nations Now Exploring Central Bank Digital Currencies
"At a recent WEF [World Economic Forum] event, economist Eswar Prasad bragged about how CBDC [Central Bank Digital Currencies] can be used to limit your purchases of whatever bureaucrats happen not to like—that’s where this is headed, and they’re not even hiding this. One hundred nations are now exploring CBDC. Twelve central banks have pilot programs for digital currencies, and the EU already has a "digital euro." The problem with CBDCs is that they are programmable, traceable, expirable, and controllable by the government. For example, if a person goes to a gas station and they have a central bank digital currency, it can be determined how much money they are allowed to spend on gasoline. That’s how they will control the environmental agenda that we see taking place."
"At a recent WEF [World Economic Forum] event, economist Eswar Prasad bragged about how CBDC [Central Bank Digital Currencies] can be used to limit your purchases of whatever bureaucrats happen not to like—that’s where this is headed, and they’re not even hiding this. One hundred nations are now exploring CBDC. Twelve central banks have pilot programs for digital currencies, and the EU already has a "digital euro." The problem with CBDCs is that they are programmable, traceable, expirable, and controllable by the government. For example, if a person goes to a gas station and they have a central bank digital currency, it can be determined how much money they are allowed to spend on gasoline. That’s how they will control the environmental agenda that we see taking place."
