the biggest problem: sex.

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Yes I will say both men and women equally buy into false ideals about what masculinity and femininity must be. They say there’s no substitute for experience. In my experience I will say I’m never getting married again. If my wife retires from this life before myself, I will live out the rest of my days independently. That has probably been most of the problem in my marriage. I’m just too independent/capable. I have no needs. I’m in construction (professional plumber but basically do everything) and trained as a chef and personal trainer. Since I can build or fix anything from a house to dinner for a thousand people there is much expectation that lands on me. Where as most people live within their means and ignore impossibilities, I make many things possible. My day is never done. I have not rested in twenty-two years. I look forward to having nobody expecting something from me. Then I will finally have true freedom to serve the Lord fully.
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Funnily enough, at 18, I was single, with no ‘boy’ distractions and began searching for a relationship with The Lord. I was at peace just searching for Him. Then met my future hubby, and I’m sorry to say, sex took over. That was 35 years ago. now I’m free of sex addiction & know that I should have kept my eyes fixed on the prize. I wasted so many years of peace, joy, love....’your Maker is your husband’ (isa 54)
 
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For I alone know the plans I have for you says The Lord, plans to give you a hope and a future ☺️
 
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How studied are you in psychology? I’m not saying you’re wrong in what you’ve wrote but much of what is attributed to the emotional connectivity has as much to do with learned behaviour, and how we formulate our identity and perceive value. Polygamy was accepted by men AND women. Their value was placed on strong offspring not just pleasure. We complicate the natural instinctive reproductive method with attaching emotions of personal value to it. Everything can be learned and unlearned. Our minds and emotions are linked and can be programmed and reprogrammed. Desire to procreate is hardwired. The emotional attachment to it is learned.
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Do I have a degree in psychology? No. Do I study psychology? Yes. But no I disagree. Emotional response isn't learned. A women who is raped doesn't have to learn it is wrong.
 
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you think animals want to procreate? then their souls are better, sex with a woman for sex is ...look at a mirror to see

18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. (1 Corinthians 6:18)
who can stops you to have only one woman? only one woman is worse than no woman
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Huh? Animals live to eat, drink, and reproduce. It is survival of the species. The animal doesn't have the higher intelligence, soulish being of knowing right from wrong.

Humans are created to reproduce also but it carries so much more than that or else it wouldn't be such a moral problem if was just like taking out the trash or washing the car.
 
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Huh? Animals live to eat, drink, and reproduce. It is survival of the species. The animal doesn't have the higher intelligence, soulish being of knowing right from wrong.

Humans are created to reproduce also but it carries so much more than that or else it wouldn't be such a moral problem if was just like taking out the trash or washing the car.
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Do I have a degree in psychology? No. Do I study psychology? Yes. But no I disagree. Emotional response isn't learned. A women who is raped doesn't have to learn it is wrong.
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That’s not the lesson learned. Often women raped attach a negative emotion to sex. In adolescence girls learn acceptance from promiscuity. Getting a sense of value from pleasing others sexually causes one to perform this act to duplicate this emotion of acceptance. It’s been said: girls play at sex to get love and boys play at love to get sex. Sex is a pleasurable act of reproduction until you etch it with an emotion. Then it may express itself differently for many people. Some may respond sexually to romance, others respond to dominance. I think someone should do a study on Fifty Shades of Grey. When those books came out they lit a fire in the pants of many women. It was crazy how many comments were publicly made about unresponsive wives initiating sexual acts with their husbands. This is directly related to instinctive behaviour. The alpha male role causes women to be sexually submissive. This is nature.
 
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Huh? Animals live to eat, drink, and reproduce. It is survival of the species. The animal doesn't have the higher intelligence, soulish being of knowing right from wrong.

Humans are created to reproduce also but it carries so much more than that or else it wouldn't be such a moral problem if was just like taking out the trash or washing the car.
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Take a step back. You are about to run over probably the most important lesson about being “born into sin”. Humans are taught right from wrong. This is the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The fruit is guilt. If humans weren’t taught to be lustful and to desperately desire sex they would just behave instinctively. Because the programming God gave us gets overwritten with what society teaches, we are separated from God. Forgiveness eliminates guilt restoring us to God and that is why we need forgiveness and forgive others.
 
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Hungry said:
Take a step back. You are about to run over probably the most important lesson about being “born into sin”. Humans are taught right from wrong. This is the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The fruit is guilt. If humans weren’t taught to be lustful and to desperately desire sex they would just behave instinctively. Because the programming God gave us gets overwritten with what society teaches, we are separated from God. Forgiveness eliminates guilt restoring us to God and that is why we need forgiveness and forgive others.
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Cart before the horse.

Who taught Eve or Adam to disobey God before eating of the fruit?

Humans are way more advanced than animals and have a higher sense of being. Lust within the Biblical boundaries is good.

You do not teach someone to feel the way they do when love is intimate or when one is sexually abused.

It is way different than the animal.

This is strange to be seen here as I often see this promoted by atheist who would love people to believe that sex is only for procreation except then they add as to why there shouldn't be all these boundaries.
 
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Cart before the horse.

Who taught Eve or Adam to disobey God before eating of the fruit?

Humans are way more advanced than animals and have a higher sense of being. Lust within the Biblical boundaries is good.

You do not teach someone to feel the way they do when love is intimate or when one is sexually abused.

It is way different than the animal.

This is strange to be seen here as I often see this promoted by atheist who would love people to believe that sex is only for procreation except then they add as to why there shouldn't be all these boundaries.
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Do you think that the tree is literal or possibly allegorical? When I asked God He told me the latter.
 
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Do you think that the tree is literal or possibly allegorical? When I asked God He told me the latter.
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I believe literal. But the concept doesn't change. It took a mind or a choice before there came an action.
 
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What’s the difference between a new member and senior member?
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Under the old format you became a Senior Member after 100 posts. You started as a Junior member advanced to Member Status after 25 posts. Under the new format Junior, Member, and Senior status is no longer designated. New member is assigned under the new format when you first joined. There are other status levels but don't have a clue how one obtains them.
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I mean we decide to teach them.
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Scripture says

Genesis 2:16-17 New International Version (NIV)
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

God's only rule indicates a choice and a choice must mean even at the most basic level they could choose God or rebel. Good vs bad. They rebelled and that opened the reality of a world that God warned them about. No longer a holy perfect setting but now corrupted and stained with the first sin to a long list of sins to come. They now could see the consequences of their actions.
 
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Under the old format you became a Senior Member after 100 posts. You started as a Junior member advanced to Member Status after 25 posts. Under the new format Junior, Member, and Senior status is no longer designated. New member is assigned under the new format when you first joined. There are other status levels but don't have a clue how one obtains them.
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Oh, I just wondered because somebody was rebuking a ‘new member’ as though they didn’t have the right to ‘preach’ unless they were senior member 😐
 
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Scripture says

Genesis 2:16-17 New International Version (NIV)
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

God's only rule indicates a choice and a choice must mean even at the most basic level they could choose God or rebel. Good vs bad. They rebelled and that opened the reality of a world that God warned them about. No longer a holy perfect setting but now corrupted and stained with the first sin to a long list of sins to come. They now could see the consequences of their actions.
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I will agree that man in his arrogance is too stupid to see the big picture. Whatever caused men to think they could “be like gods” was the beginning of the end. I guarantee it was not a literal snake and the eating of a forbidden fruit. This part is figurative. There is a back story that Moses didn’t think would be advantageous to convey. Genesis was written for the displaced nomadic people to accept certain principles. First being Yahweh is the Creator. Secondly, He has authority to do as He pleases so it is better to serve and be blessed rather than the alternative.
 
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I will agree that man in his arrogance is too stupid to see the big picture. Whatever caused men to think they could “be like gods” was the beginning of the end. I guarantee it was not a literal snake and the eating of a forbidden fruit. This part is figurative. There is a back story that Moses didn’t think would be advantageous to convey. Genesis was written for the displaced nomadic people to accept certain principles. First being Yahweh is the Creator. Secondly, He has authority to do as He pleases so it is better to serve and be blessed rather than the alternative.
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If Adam and Eve was real people as Jesus spoke of Adam being a real person and the Garden being a real place and in scripture God can speak from a donkey or burning bush and evil likes to try and replicate the power of God as seen with the magicians against Moses. Then at one point does the story becomes figurative? No evidence for that conclusion.
 
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If Jesus did
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If Adam and Eve was real people as Jesus spoke of Adam being a real person and the Garden being a real place and in scripture God can speak from a donkey or burning bush and evil likes to try and replicate the power of God as seen with the magicians against Moses. Then at one point does the story becomes figurative? No evidence for that conclusion.
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Please reference where Christ spoke of Adam and Eve and the Garden. My searches are coming up empty.
 
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