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Wow. I literally am baffled at the amount of time you put into arguing something that is little more than a footnote in the Bible, sin or not. (It's not, but hey..) I honestly do not care what you think or feel. My argument is WHO ARE YOU to say that a gay can't be a christian? It is NOT your place to say ANYTHING about that. Only God knows what's in a person's heart. And I've known a few gay people that are definitely WAY closer to God than the hate mongering "Christians" who spend all day arguing against homosexuality and spend no time helping the poor or spreading love to anyone. I'm done arguing with you. You've proved NO point other than "well these 2 verses say..." And I've tackled both. I'm done listening to your hate and ignorance for an entire group of people. Goodbye, Daniel.
1. Actually, you've done nothing at all to chip away at clear biblical teaching -- there are men and women around the world dying for the true faith, and you will pay the penalty for your corrupting of the Word of Truth (just as I will pay if I do not work for the Lord).

2. It doesn't take much time at all to answer your twisted writings. Funny how when you have no answer, you resort to ad hominem attacks. Not logic; just attack.

The following of "feeling" (rather than logical conclusions based on Scripture) is on your part; not mine.

I am no one to say something is a sin; the Word of God has said it -- from Genesis to Revelation, the testimony is steadfast, and unswerving.

3. You accuse me of being a hatemonger because I tell the Truth -- they also hated Jesus for telling the Truth. LOVE is useless if it isn't the LOVE of the FATHER -- you have the love of the world, I grant you that much; but you're disqualified from having the Love of the Father in you.

YOU are not the one who loves homosexuals -- I AM; since I am the one telling them the TRUTH so that they can escape damnation, and come to know God in Spirit and TRUTH. You HATE homosexuals, because you won't tell them the Truth: you care more for the approval of man, than the approval of God (John 12:43 + Php 1:11)

4. That's right, you're done, because you have no further lies to spread; they've all been undone by the Word of Truth rightly divided. You're not going to spread your lies, unanswered.
 
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You've proved NO point other than "well these 2 verses say..."
If you knew the Word of God, you'd know that "out of the mouths of 2 or 3 witnesses" every fact is established (2 Cor 13:1) -- but, you don't, since you don't live according to the instructions in it.
 
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Umm... Didn't Jesus die on the cross to makes us sin free? :p

Everyone ''judges'' everyone. You have an opinion about them right? Where did that opinion come from? Your judgement?

We are called to judge right from wrong


and I found this on a site that brings up a great point
Moses gave us the law because man was wicked and needed guidelines to help prevent them from sinning.
But as you have said God will judge all in the end
The judgement of man upon man is to be done upon those who transgress the law according to the law given to us by Moses.
God knows that man is an unworthy judge of character and subject to error in sin himself so God does not rely on mans judgement in the end but his own.
On earthly matters we judge others because of an inherent need to classify all things so we can make a sound judgement on what we should do ...who we should be with.... what to wear etc. Generally speaking our judgements are biased because of our upbringing and teachings we recieved as a child and young adult this is where the fork in the road scenario comes in. Due to the teachings recieved from our parents I.E. The sins of the father shall fall upon the head of the son. we sometimes have prejudices built right in that detract from our ability to judge correctly. That is why Judges were appointed (and still are in my country to this day) by other senior judges (The judiciary council) as these men were to knowledgable enough and wise enough to dispense judgement upon man for crimes committed.

PHEW almost got my fingers in a knot on that one!
 
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1. Actually, you've done nothing at all to chip away at clear biblical teaching -- there are men and women around the world dying for the true faith, and you will pay the penalty for your corrupting of the Word of Truth (just as I will pay if I do not work for the Lord).

2. It doesn't take much time at all to answer your twisted writings. Funny how when you have no answer, you resort to ad hominem attacks. Not logic; just attack.

The following of "feeling" (rather than logical conclusions based on Scripture) is on your part; not mine.

I am no one to say something is a sin; the Word of God has said it -- from Genesis to Revelation, the testimony is steadfast, and unswerving.

3. You accuse me of being a hatemonger because I tell the Truth -- they also hated Jesus for telling the Truth. LOVE is useless if it isn't the LOVE of the FATHER -- you have the love of the world, I grant you that much; but you're disqualified from having the Love of the Father in you.

YOU are not the one who loves homosexuals -- I AM; since I am the one telling them the TRUTH so that they can escape damnation, and come to know God in Spirit and TRUTH. You HATE homosexuals, because you won't tell them the Truth: you care more for the approval of man, than the approval of God (John 12:43 + Php 1:11)

4. That's right, you're done, because you have no further lies to spread; they've all been undone by the Word of Truth rightly divided. You're not going to spread your lies, unanswered.
No... I'm pretty sure you're just crazy.
 
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No... I'm pretty sure you're just crazy.
Fallacy: Ad Hominem

Description of Ad Hominem

Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:

Person A makes claim X.
Person B makes an attack on person A.
Therefore A's claim is false.
The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).

Example of Ad Hominem

Bill: "I believe that abortion is morally wrong."
Dave: "Of course you would say that, you're a priest."
Bill: "What about the arguments I gave to support my position?"
Dave: "Those don't count. Like I said, you're a priest, so you have to say that abortion is wrong. Further, you are just a lackey to the Pope, so I can't believe what you say."

You have nothing of substance to say on behalf of your position; only ad hominem fallacies.
 
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Michael Brown


Why Are We Surprised With the Push for 'Pedophile Rights'


Many Americans have been shocked by reports about a recent pro-pedophilia conference in Baltimore in which psychiatrists and other mental health professionals, representing institutions like Harvard and Johns Hopkins, sought to present pedophilia in a sympathetic and even positive light. But why should this surprise us?

Academic articles in scholarly journals have been presenting pedophilia in a sympathetic light for years, and, as Matthew Cullinan Hoffman noted, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) released a report in 1998 “claiming that the ‘negative potential’ of adult sex with children was ‘overstated’ and that ‘the vast majority of both men and women reported no negative sexual effects from their child sexual abuse experiences.’ It even claimed that large numbers of the victims reported that their experiences were ‘positive,’ and suggested that the phrase ‘child sex abuse’ be replaced with ‘adult-child sex.’” Others have coined the more disgusting term “intergenerational intimacy.”

The APA’s report was so disturbing that it drew an official rebuke from Congress, yet the pro-pedophile (or, pro-pederast) push continues. In fact, some psychiatric leaders, like Dr. Richard Green, who were instrumental in removing homosexuality from the APA’s list of mental disorders in 1973, have been fighting to remove pedophilia as well.

Consider, for example, this statement from the late John Hopkins professor John Money: “Pedophilia and ephebophilia [referring to sexual attraction felt by an adult toward an adolescent] are no more a matter of voluntary choice than are left-handedness or color blindness. There is no known method of treatment by which they may be effectively and permanently altered, suppressed, or replaced. Punishment is useless. There is no satisfactory hypothesis, evolutionary or otherwise, as to why they exist in nature’s overall scheme of things. One must simply accept the fact that they do exist, and then, with optimum enlightenment, formulate a policy of what to do about it.”

Now, go back and reread that paragraph, substituting the word “homosexuality” for “pedophilia” and “ephebophilia.” How interesting!


To help flesh this out, let’s picture a homosexual man making his case to a heterosexual man:

1) My homosexuality is not a sexual preference but a sexual orientation, just as much as your heterosexuality is not a sexual preference but a sexual orientation.
2) My homosexuality is just as normal as your heterosexuality.
3) Since my behavior is genetically determined and is not a choice, it is intolerant and hateful to suggest that it is wrong. And to call my sexual behavior illegal or immoral, or to refuse to legitimize same-sex relationships, is to be a moral bigot of the highest order.
4) I deeply resent your attempts to identify areas of my upbringing and environment as alleged causes for my homosexuality.
5) I categorically reject the myth that someone can change his or her sexual orientation. Rather, such statements only add to the anguish and suffering of gays and lesbians, and attempts to change us often lead to catastrophic consequences, including depression and suicide.
Now, let’s turn this around and have a pederast making his case to a homosexual, substituting the words accordingly (thus, “My pederasty is not a sexual preference but a sexual orientation, just as much as your homosexuality is not a sexual preference but a sexual orientation.”)

In point of fact, all the principle arguments commonly used to normalize homosexuality have been used to normalize pedophilia and pederasty, as I documented in painstaking (and painful) detail in A Queer Thing Happened to America, where I also made clear that I was not equating homosexuality with pedophilia but was instead comparing the arguments used to normalize both.

Here are the eight principle arguments, all of which (in modified form) are commonly used in support of homosexuality:

1) Pedophilia is innate and immutable.
2) Pederasty is richly attested in many different cultures throughout history.
3) The claim that adult-child sexual relationships cause harm is greatly overstated and often completely inaccurate.
4) Consensual adult-child sex can actually be beneficial to the child.
5) Pederasty should not be classified as a mental disorder, since it does not cause distress to the pederast to have these desires and since the pederast can function as a normal, contributing member of society.
6) Many of the illustrious homosexuals of the past were actually pedophiles.
7) People are against intergenerational intimacy because of antiquated social standards and puritanical sexual phobias.
8) This is all about love and equality and liberation.
But none of these arguments should surprise us. After all, the age of increasing sexual anarchy in which we live is a fruit of the sexual revolution of the 1960’s, and the seeds of sexual anarchy were sown already by Alfred Kinsey in the late 1940’s, as Prof. Judith Reisman has tirelessly documented. And it was Kinsey, after all, who relied on the research of pedophiles to document the sexual responses of infants and children.

All this, to be sure, is utterly unspeakable. But it should certainly come as no surprise. In fact, we should expect this and more.

Article found here: http://townhall.com/columnists/mich...with_the_push_for_pedophile_rights/page/full/
 
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Oh, same ol' same ol'.


No new arguements. Just recycling old refuted arguments. *sigh* When will people stop trying to make their own Golden Calves?
 
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Also, I have heard many testimonies of gay Christians who tried to go through therapy to "get cured" and they ended up so depressed because it wasn't something they chose or wanted.

A lot of Christians assume that it's a lifestyle choice, but that's not what I hear from people who are gay. Why would they choose this if they don't believe it's right or if they want to "be cured", or if they are being threatened, ostricised, or picked on for it? Why would they choose something like that?

God makes us all on purpose just the way we are, so why are people like this if they don't want it? If it's really who they are? And from a younge age. I learned in psychology that it's already done by the age of three. Three year olds don't think "Gee, I'm gonna be gay now!" You know?
I'm not trying to judge anyone here, and I'm not gay either, so let's get that straight first.

I believe that God put this stuff in our life for a reason. If we try our best to put our own heart aside and try to follow Jesus' ways, then this will draw us even closer to God. He put this in our lives to make us stronger, because if we truly love God, then we would put what we enjoy to the side, then we can be a better person.


just look at Matthew 22:36-40

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Following Jesus takes a lot of discipline and will power, and we need to drop any of our sins that could possibly hender out relationships. If we truely love god then we will give up all of our earthly desires and sins.

look at Matthew 19:17-26
16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”
17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

18 “Which ones?” he inquired.

Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,’[c] and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’[d]”

20 “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”

21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?”

26 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”


The man could not give up the one thing he desired most, so God condemns him. Now you say it is impossible for them to get cured. Well, according to verse 26, it is not.
 
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1 John 3:5-9 KJV

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


For the record, I wad set free from homosexuality.. I leave destination up to God, but I do question faith if you think you can live a life of sin. However, God has to change your heart before he changes your actions. We don't know how new of a believer they are. God doesn't change your actions overnight. Well it happens, but you get it.
 
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Also, I have heard many testimonies of gay Christians who tried to go through therapy to "get cured" and they ended up so depressed because it wasn't something they chose or wanted.

A lot of Christians assume that it's a lifestyle choice, but that's not what I hear from people who are gay. Why would they choose this if they don't believe it's right or if they want to "be cured", or if they are being threatened, ostricised, or picked on for it? Why would they choose something like that?

God makes us all on purpose just the way we are, so why are people like this if they don't want it? If it's really who they are? And from a younge age. I learned in psychology that it's already done by the age of three. Three year olds don't think "Gee, I'm gonna be gay now!" You know?

It just doesn't make sense to me.

Scripture doesn't flat out give the answers, and that is why I want personal stories and thoughts. (Do feel free to back up what you believe with scripture, though (anyone). I'm just saying that it isn't so clear-cut as that.

And I don't mean to offend anyone. Like I said, I'm just really confused and looking for answers.



Hey Lovely!

Heard Sy Rogers a year or two ago, his ministry will give you a lot of the answers you are looking for :)
For the record he was Gay, and is now happily married to a woman with children and a very successful ministry. His books or if you are lucky enough to hear him speak his testimony, will probably be able to explain it better than anyone on here :)

Hope this helps!
Emma

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Sy Rogers is still gay. come on! hes fakeing it. good career for him though.
 
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hislastwalk

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I was set free. & I'm not faking it.
 
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I believe its a sin, just like everything the bible says it is... It is just like fornication... I mean as people we are born and we dont care we think its okay... but its not. I dont believe we are born a certain way.. The bible is clear and says we were born in sin... In sin did my mother conceive me... It is a choice.. Just as when I was growing up, I mean you think fornication is okay, but then God says no. I understood it was wrong and chose not to do it. Same thing applies with homosexuality.
 
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Upfront (not that it matters), I am not gay.

That being said, I don't know how I feel about whether or not being gay and acting on it is a sin or not...but right now, I'm thinking that it's not. Again: I DON'T KNOW ECACTLY HOW I FEEL.

I know all of the verses that people use to point out that it is wrong and not how God created it.

BUT, I've also heard views on the other side of it. I also study a bit of ancient history in school and know that man-on-man action in the Bible wasn't what it is today. Then, it was talking about rape and that has never been ok. (I also don't have all the facts on this.)

I know Christians who are gay and are ok with God. They feel that it is not a sin (and I know they aren't justifying their sin by saying this--they've actually experienced God's comfort in who they are with this...meaning that they are gay).

So, I was wondering if anyone on here is gay and would like to share how they feel in their relationship with God on this.
Comments from straight people are welcome, too, of course.

I've just been incredibly curious and confused about this for a while.
there are a lot of people who do wrong things and still feel right about it,nut that doesn't make what they do right.so i feel gay in itself is a sin against God and although may feel ok doing it,thats doesn't mean what he or she is doing is right.and to be honest with just as much as God hates and detest what they do,he still loves his kids immersely and is willing to forgive them any time,any day.so girl i think its not ok it a sin against God and ps am straight
 
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For the record.
God doesn't see their sin anymore.
ALL sins were dealt with on the cross. Sin is just a sign of unbelief. and unbelief is the only thing that will send you too Hell. Gays are in unbelief. & deny Gods power (that He can set them free.)
 
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There's no such thing as a 'Gay Christian'. The bible is clear that two can not co-exist. Homosexuality is sin. You can not become a Christian without abandoning your homosexuality or all sin for that matter. Someone who professes to be a gay is christian is nothing more than sinner who has religion not Jesus.

Read Romans 1.
 

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I think that it is so nice to see that so many christians are nothing like christ when it comes to the way how they behave. They act rather as narrow minded stone age people that points on words and paragraphs without getting to the soul of the book. And to even compare it with pedophiles is just sickening. Homosexuality is an act between two adults. It is not the same as raping a child!

Since I do not belive that anything I can say will change the minds of those who think homosexuality is a sin (and enough is said in this thread) I will just say this. The way most of you christian gay hates act the more sympathy I get for atheists and secular open minded christians. You seem to come right out of the dark ages with your own private corrupt inquisition where you sit and judge over other people and tell them who they may or may not love. You are the same people that in the beginning of the 1900s said that black and white people should not marry.

you are nothing like Christ...

People like you make me ashamed to be a Christian... Or rather... I am ashamed that you call yourselves Christians!!
 
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I think that it is so nice to see that so many christians are nothing like christ when it comes to the way how they behave.
I wouldn't say it is nice, but it is part of being fallen humans in a fallen world.

you are nothing like Christ...
Christ is a pretty unique guy.


People like you make me ashamed to be a Christian... Or rather... I am ashamed that you call yourselves Christians!!
If people claiming to be Christian acting in a way you don't approve of, makes you ashamed to follow Christ, I think you have bigger problems than what other people are doing. If you are not ashamed to follow Christ, even with people who claim to be Christian that you disapprove of, then disregard the previous sentence.
 
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Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

1Co 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,
1Co 6:10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Act 3:19 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out,





 

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Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

1Co 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,
1Co 6:10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Act 3:19 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out,





If you are going to look at the bible with those pair of glasses I find that lesbianism is okay because their are only men that are mentioned and when a woman is mentioned it is not what kind of sin it is.

So girls + girls are okay with god but not boys + boys.