Will There Be Sex in Heaven?
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LOOOOOL. Oh man. You definitely don't want to lust after angels. But maybe that's one reason we aren't told about female angels. Men are likelier to lust over the feminine form than women are to lust after the masculine form. If a woman saw a male angel, she'd be far less likely to lust than if a man saw a female angel.
In fact, some people say the Holy Spirit is feminine and is God's Wife. This is, I believe, the stance of this ministry of Jewish believers who goes into many spiritual 'mysteries; including satanic ritual abuse: http://nccg.org/. You can find some teachings about it on their site.) They say that possibly the reason you don't see the Bible mention the Holy Spirit much (especially in the NT where it puzzled me that there is a lot of mention of the Father and Jesus together but without the Holy Spirit) is that just like a human male naturally is protective of his wife, so God is protective of the Holy Spirit.
I don't know anything about these topics. However, I know that the Bible (and even the physical world) and the spirit realm even more so is filled with mysteries that would just absolutely obliterate the finite human mind. Some people say they've seen colors in Heaven that we don't have on earth; during the Azusa Street Revival, many people said they heard angels singing music that just can't be described; and some of the OT prophets (Ezekiel is a perfect example) saw visions that they tried unsuccessfully to explain. Paul, in 2Corinthians 12, said he heard in Paradise "inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter." These words aren't only reproducible by human beings but are not lawful for humans to speak. And in Revelations 10, a mysterious angel with a tremendous amount of authority (which one person has told me was really the Holy Spirit, but I don't know) gave a loud shout that sounded like a lion's roar. In the Book of Daniel, Daniel was constantly told to 'seal up the words' said to him; but in Revelation, all words were to be unsealed... until this angel shouted. The response to his shout was that 'seven thunders' then responded. This was pretty serious. As John went to write down what they said, he was told for the first time not to write them down.
It's fairly apparent that the spirit realm is filled from wall to wall and floor to ceiling with mysteries (afterall, even our physical world is filled with mysteries). christians often deny 'mysteries' before you can even propose them because most christians don't want to do any work. They want to just lie around and then when they breathe their last be lifted gracefully into eternal salvation. They don't want to consider anything outside of "I believe in Jesus, so I'm going to Heaven." The Bible says that even iniquity/lawlessness is a mystery: "The mystery of lawlessness is already at work" (2Thessalonians 2:7). If there is mystery in wickedness and satan (even in human nature), how is it possible that there is no mystery in righteousness and in God? The fact is that everything that exists is both simple and complex, or both plain and mysterious. christians who don't want to know more than they already believe or don't want to see more than they like to see shouldn't be quick to deny what they don't know but should instead either ask questions or just ignore the topic altogether.
In fact, some people say the Holy Spirit is feminine and is God's Wife. This is, I believe, the stance of this ministry of Jewish believers who goes into many spiritual 'mysteries; including satanic ritual abuse: http://nccg.org/. You can find some teachings about it on their site.) They say that possibly the reason you don't see the Bible mention the Holy Spirit much (especially in the NT where it puzzled me that there is a lot of mention of the Father and Jesus together but without the Holy Spirit) is that just like a human male naturally is protective of his wife, so God is protective of the Holy Spirit.
I don't know anything about these topics. However, I know that the Bible (and even the physical world) and the spirit realm even more so is filled with mysteries that would just absolutely obliterate the finite human mind. Some people say they've seen colors in Heaven that we don't have on earth; during the Azusa Street Revival, many people said they heard angels singing music that just can't be described; and some of the OT prophets (Ezekiel is a perfect example) saw visions that they tried unsuccessfully to explain. Paul, in 2Corinthians 12, said he heard in Paradise "inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter." These words aren't only reproducible by human beings but are not lawful for humans to speak. And in Revelations 10, a mysterious angel with a tremendous amount of authority (which one person has told me was really the Holy Spirit, but I don't know) gave a loud shout that sounded like a lion's roar. In the Book of Daniel, Daniel was constantly told to 'seal up the words' said to him; but in Revelation, all words were to be unsealed... until this angel shouted. The response to his shout was that 'seven thunders' then responded. This was pretty serious. As John went to write down what they said, he was told for the first time not to write them down.
It's fairly apparent that the spirit realm is filled from wall to wall and floor to ceiling with mysteries (afterall, even our physical world is filled with mysteries). christians often deny 'mysteries' before you can even propose them because most christians don't want to do any work. They want to just lie around and then when they breathe their last be lifted gracefully into eternal salvation. They don't want to consider anything outside of "I believe in Jesus, so I'm going to Heaven." The Bible says that even iniquity/lawlessness is a mystery: "The mystery of lawlessness is already at work" (2Thessalonians 2:7). If there is mystery in wickedness and satan (even in human nature), how is it possible that there is no mystery in righteousness and in God? The fact is that everything that exists is both simple and complex, or both plain and mysterious. christians who don't want to know more than they already believe or don't want to see more than they like to see shouldn't be quick to deny what they don't know but should instead either ask questions or just ignore the topic altogether.
Just because 'the wrong religion' believes something doesn't automatically make it false. catholics believe in purgatory; while there's no such thing as purgatory, the Bible itself makes it clear that there are "in-between places" which are in the Bible called names like Death, Hades, Paradise, Abraham's Bosom, Sheol. catholics also coined the word 'Trinity'; are we to believe there is no Triune God because of those ignorant catholics? Are we to deny that Jesus from a great distance away was able to 'look in on' and see Nathanael before He ever saw him face to face just because occultists and New Agers call that "remote viewing"? (John 1:43-51.) Facts aren't nullified by our discomfort or ignorance. Facts are facts. We don't know most of them, so why have so much ought with something when you're not sure whether or not it's fact?
There are many things in the physical that are mysteries and that we wouldn't believe until we saw them and became acquainted with them. There is almost nothing that humans see, hear, or experience that would not have remained mysteries to us if we had not become acquainted with first-- everything from other humans, different races, animals, trees, plants, buildings, even dogs and cats we take for granted. These things aren't mysteries to us solely because we're used to them. If we were not used to them, they'd be mysteries and we'd disbelieve them if they were told to us without our seeing them. But we aren't used to spiritual things because we don't experience them regularly and are not acquainted with them. If we can't believe until we see regarding physical things, then how is this not even more so regarding Heaven and spiritual things?
There are many things in the physical that are mysteries and that we wouldn't believe until we saw them and became acquainted with them. There is almost nothing that humans see, hear, or experience that would not have remained mysteries to us if we had not become acquainted with first-- everything from other humans, different races, animals, trees, plants, buildings, even dogs and cats we take for granted. These things aren't mysteries to us solely because we're used to them. If we were not used to them, they'd be mysteries and we'd disbelieve them if they were told to us without our seeing them. But we aren't used to spiritual things because we don't experience them regularly and are not acquainted with them. If we can't believe until we see regarding physical things, then how is this not even more so regarding Heaven and spiritual things?
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No religion is alive enough to intrigue me, so I don't belong to any religion.
Jezebel's children are people who tolerate her and devote themselves to her teachings and lifestyle. Like most christians (especially western ones; you're western aren't you), you believe you are greater than you are, are smarter than you are, have more value than you do, and know more than you really do. You mentioned the passage about Jezebel but don't know who Jezebel was in the passage.
There was only one woman with the name Jezebel in the entire Bible, and she was in the OT. Yet, Jesus calls a woman hundreds of years later by the same name. If you can tell me who the Jezebel in Revelation was, then we can continue this discussion. If not, then go find out first (so you can have context for what is being said there) rather than throwing around your ignorance and thinking it is wisdom. The passage has nothing to do with sex in Heaven.
Jezebel's children are people who tolerate her and devote themselves to her teachings and lifestyle. Like most christians (especially western ones; you're western aren't you), you believe you are greater than you are, are smarter than you are, have more value than you do, and know more than you really do. You mentioned the passage about Jezebel but don't know who Jezebel was in the passage.
There was only one woman with the name Jezebel in the entire Bible, and she was in the OT. Yet, Jesus calls a woman hundreds of years later by the same name. If you can tell me who the Jezebel in Revelation was, then we can continue this discussion. If not, then go find out first (so you can have context for what is being said there) rather than throwing around your ignorance and thinking it is wisdom. The passage has nothing to do with sex in Heaven.
It's starting to sound to me that there is a curse at work in your life to prevent you from marrying.
It's a very disconcerting fact that a person can experience the opposite of God's will their whole lives and God doesn't intervene (because He intervenes mostly through people, and people are rarely available for Him). God doesn't want anyone poor, yet there are poor people; God doesn't want anyone sick, yet there are sick people; God doesn't want anyone abused or suffering from the effects of abuse, yet that happens every day. We've all heard the term 'appropriate'. There is a place in God where one must appropriate (or take by force) the things God has promised him/her, otherwise, they will never get those things.
The Bible says that God restores double. That means that if say you had a business and someone cheated you somehow and you lost $1,000,000 as a result, if you asked God for restoration and He gave you financial restoration, He would [want to] give you $2,000,000 as that is double what you lost. However. You can receive God's double and go on your way... or you can go after the enemy who stole from you (not the human but the spiritual enemies who arranged the circumstances). If you do this (with lots of revelation and strategy from God) and persist, you are legally (as far as God is concerned) allowed to regain seven times from the enemy what he stole from you. So, you can receive $7,000,000 from the enemy (the thief) for stealing just $1,000,000 from you. This is sensible seeing that God owes you nothing but still gives you double; the thief who stole from you is the one who legally owes you. Most people don't know any spiritual rules of engagement or don't have the faith or motivation to implement them. Here is one place where the Bible talks about this seven-fold restoration (but from the thief, not from God):
"People do not despise a thief if he steals to satisfy himself when he is starving. Yet when he is found, he must restore sevenfold; he may have to give up all the substance of his house" (Proverbs 6:30-31).
That says that while it's understandable when a person steals out of need, according to law the person still had to restore sevenfold what he stole if caught even if he had to lose all he had to give the victim seven times what he stole from them. The Bible says christians don't wrestle against people but that it is high-level spirits behind them that are the issue. These high-level spirits are the thieves, and it's them you can go after to regain seven times what was taken from you. But when one goes after the enemy, it has to be done with wisdom. (This is why the churches are supposed to function as a Network or Body since different people have different gifts and anointings. Going after the enemy requires strategy from God; this is where apostolic and prophetic gifts or anointings in people come into play.) Appropriation often, but not always, concerns going after what the enemy has stolen from you-- generationally or individually. It sounds to me that the enemy is the one who stole your marriage and that God has no hand in it whatsoever.
Unfortunately, christians and power are not terms that anyone mentions in the same sentence. There is just no answer in most churches for really anything. Because of this, christians always give weak advice or say superficial things when they encounter issues like yours: "Maybe it's God's will for you to remain single. You know, the Bible says God makes some eunuchs." They then walk away arm in arm with their significant other, smiling cheek to cheek while you go away thinking God cares about even less now. There are countless people suffering and struggling because of some stupid and ignorant answer some christian or pastor gave them, supposing that if the word "Jesus" is mentioned, then anything can be fixed and no word of knowledge, word of wisdom, or spiritual strategy is needed for anything. One of the things you said that 'tell me' that you are dealing with a curse was this: "I've seen drunks, addicts and atheists get married long before me." That isn't God's will. When this is the case with a christian, it's usually (99.9% of the time) the effect of a curse of some kind-- whether the curse was mistaken (eg. generational or harsh words you spoke long ago) or purposeful (eg. someone(s) deliberately cursed you with misfortune in [the area of marriage]).
What type of church do you attend? Is it charismatic, or do they believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit? Did you read the article l linked in my previous response?
It's a very disconcerting fact that a person can experience the opposite of God's will their whole lives and God doesn't intervene (because He intervenes mostly through people, and people are rarely available for Him). God doesn't want anyone poor, yet there are poor people; God doesn't want anyone sick, yet there are sick people; God doesn't want anyone abused or suffering from the effects of abuse, yet that happens every day. We've all heard the term 'appropriate'. There is a place in God where one must appropriate (or take by force) the things God has promised him/her, otherwise, they will never get those things.
The Bible says that God restores double. That means that if say you had a business and someone cheated you somehow and you lost $1,000,000 as a result, if you asked God for restoration and He gave you financial restoration, He would [want to] give you $2,000,000 as that is double what you lost. However. You can receive God's double and go on your way... or you can go after the enemy who stole from you (not the human but the spiritual enemies who arranged the circumstances). If you do this (with lots of revelation and strategy from God) and persist, you are legally (as far as God is concerned) allowed to regain seven times from the enemy what he stole from you. So, you can receive $7,000,000 from the enemy (the thief) for stealing just $1,000,000 from you. This is sensible seeing that God owes you nothing but still gives you double; the thief who stole from you is the one who legally owes you. Most people don't know any spiritual rules of engagement or don't have the faith or motivation to implement them. Here is one place where the Bible talks about this seven-fold restoration (but from the thief, not from God):
"People do not despise a thief if he steals to satisfy himself when he is starving. Yet when he is found, he must restore sevenfold; he may have to give up all the substance of his house" (Proverbs 6:30-31).
That says that while it's understandable when a person steals out of need, according to law the person still had to restore sevenfold what he stole if caught even if he had to lose all he had to give the victim seven times what he stole from them. The Bible says christians don't wrestle against people but that it is high-level spirits behind them that are the issue. These high-level spirits are the thieves, and it's them you can go after to regain seven times what was taken from you. But when one goes after the enemy, it has to be done with wisdom. (This is why the churches are supposed to function as a Network or Body since different people have different gifts and anointings. Going after the enemy requires strategy from God; this is where apostolic and prophetic gifts or anointings in people come into play.) Appropriation often, but not always, concerns going after what the enemy has stolen from you-- generationally or individually. It sounds to me that the enemy is the one who stole your marriage and that God has no hand in it whatsoever.
Unfortunately, christians and power are not terms that anyone mentions in the same sentence. There is just no answer in most churches for really anything. Because of this, christians always give weak advice or say superficial things when they encounter issues like yours: "Maybe it's God's will for you to remain single. You know, the Bible says God makes some eunuchs." They then walk away arm in arm with their significant other, smiling cheek to cheek while you go away thinking God cares about even less now. There are countless people suffering and struggling because of some stupid and ignorant answer some christian or pastor gave them, supposing that if the word "Jesus" is mentioned, then anything can be fixed and no word of knowledge, word of wisdom, or spiritual strategy is needed for anything. One of the things you said that 'tell me' that you are dealing with a curse was this: "I've seen drunks, addicts and atheists get married long before me." That isn't God's will. When this is the case with a christian, it's usually (99.9% of the time) the effect of a curse of some kind-- whether the curse was mistaken (eg. generational or harsh words you spoke long ago) or purposeful (eg. someone(s) deliberately cursed you with misfortune in [the area of marriage]).
What type of church do you attend? Is it charismatic, or do they believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit? Did you read the article l linked in my previous response?
Oh, I know they're watching. The actual spirits watch and recognize first and then 'activate' people who are in line with or under them. I don't tolerate Jezebel (no believer is supposed to though most do) and don't have time for the Religious spirit. I just put people on ignore who are barking for one or the other because if it isn't Life, I could care less if it and entire continents drowned in the sea.
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Most Christian scholars and teachers do not believe in sex/marriage in heaven; it is a minority view. Most Christians sources such as desiringgod, gotquestions, etc., do not support this view. Sex in heaven is not a fact. If another religion disagrees with the prominent Christian view, the other religion could be in error.
Fascinating. If inventors, innovators, pioneers, and people who accomplished great feats cared about others' opinions and the opinions of the experts or the majority, barely anything would've been invented and most of us would be dead.
Job's friends disagreed with him and even started that the old (still alive) and the ancients (those long dead) agreed with them and not with Job. "What right do you have to believe you're right and everyone else is wrong," was their line of reasoning. They were not only the majority, but they also stated that the experts were on their side. But in the end, it turned out that Job was indeed right and his friends (the majority) and all the old men and all the ancients (the experts and majority) were wrong.
Dr. James Dobson, a supposed champion for family and children, derided the notion that satanic ritual abuse exists. That form of abuse targets mainly children. In fact, the longest and most expensive trial in U.S. history-- the McMartin Preschool trial-- was about satanic ritual abuse perpetrated in a preschool in little children by the staff who was a family of satanists who were known in the community as christians. There were over 200 child victims many of who testified in court, yet the case was thrown out (along with other strange things surrounding it). Most people thought those satanists were good christians. Were they right just because they were the majority? Dr. Dobson stated that ritual abuse didn't exist. Is he automatically right, and does he 'focus on the family, just because he's a trusted expert? (There are many more cases of ritual abuse in preschools and day cares (like the Presidio Daycare trial) that were prosecuted around the U.S., some successfully prosecuted. Dr. Dobson, arrogant like basically all christian leaders on the big stage, would surely probably say ritual abuse doesn't exist. Prideful people can afford to confirm or deny whatever they choose because their attitude is often like Pharaoh's: "Who is the Lord that I should [obey Him]?")
If I cared about the voice of the majority or submitted to experts because of their position, then I'd be like most people around me: I wouldn't respect myself. Instead, I would hate myself. I can afford to care less who says what. Way too many experts and majorities have been wrong and are wrong. (Think about Jesus and the religious leaders who were both experts and the majority.) I care only about the truth, so that's all I'm looking for. You should try it. The sun (joy) would open up inside you, and you would be more aware of the anointing in you and wouldn't need to rely on the word of teachers (experts) and others (the majority). Also, you might go on to accomplish great things in this life.
Job's friends disagreed with him and even started that the old (still alive) and the ancients (those long dead) agreed with them and not with Job. "What right do you have to believe you're right and everyone else is wrong," was their line of reasoning. They were not only the majority, but they also stated that the experts were on their side. But in the end, it turned out that Job was indeed right and his friends (the majority) and all the old men and all the ancients (the experts and majority) were wrong.
Dr. James Dobson, a supposed champion for family and children, derided the notion that satanic ritual abuse exists. That form of abuse targets mainly children. In fact, the longest and most expensive trial in U.S. history-- the McMartin Preschool trial-- was about satanic ritual abuse perpetrated in a preschool in little children by the staff who was a family of satanists who were known in the community as christians. There were over 200 child victims many of who testified in court, yet the case was thrown out (along with other strange things surrounding it). Most people thought those satanists were good christians. Were they right just because they were the majority? Dr. Dobson stated that ritual abuse didn't exist. Is he automatically right, and does he 'focus on the family, just because he's a trusted expert? (There are many more cases of ritual abuse in preschools and day cares (like the Presidio Daycare trial) that were prosecuted around the U.S., some successfully prosecuted. Dr. Dobson, arrogant like basically all christian leaders on the big stage, would surely probably say ritual abuse doesn't exist. Prideful people can afford to confirm or deny whatever they choose because their attitude is often like Pharaoh's: "Who is the Lord that I should [obey Him]?")
If I cared about the voice of the majority or submitted to experts because of their position, then I'd be like most people around me: I wouldn't respect myself. Instead, I would hate myself. I can afford to care less who says what. Way too many experts and majorities have been wrong and are wrong. (Think about Jesus and the religious leaders who were both experts and the majority.) I care only about the truth, so that's all I'm looking for. You should try it. The sun (joy) would open up inside you, and you would be more aware of the anointing in you and wouldn't need to rely on the word of teachers (experts) and others (the majority). Also, you might go on to accomplish great things in this life.
I had a mormon neighbour who tried to come on to me
unfortunately he died and left two girls
(not with me) so his widowed wife is not having sex with him I dont think.
But I recall he said that every 18 year old male had to go to america or overseas to find their life partner as part of their religion so they can have sex and lots of babies to make God happy.
I thought that was weird but then what do I know I just read the Bible.
unfortunately he died and left two girls
(not with me) so his widowed wife is not having sex with him I dont think.
But I recall he said that every 18 year old male had to go to america or overseas to find their life partner as part of their religion so they can have sex and lots of babies to make God happy.
I thought that was weird but then what do I know I just read the Bible.
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Well, it’s not really accurate. I think few people are actually definitely saying there is sex in heaven nor does the OP claim that. On the other hand, Mormons and Muslims take a definitive stance on the topic, but that isn’t defining or representative of their religion.
“Oh you believe in sex in heaven? I’m labeling you a Mormon now.” When a Mormon isn’t really defined by that nor is it very nice to associate Christians with cultists.
“Oh you believe in sex in heaven? I’m labeling you a Mormon now.” When a Mormon isn’t really defined by that nor is it very nice to associate Christians with cultists.
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