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seoulsearch

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You can vehemently protest all you want....
As far as my wife goes...she can probably write my exact thoughts except better because "I are we" ALWAYS. We share the same thoughts.

Simple lesson from Genesis: "It is not good for man to be alone"

Man and woman are still created to live symbiotically with each other. The model has not changed just because we have modern conveniences. It has everything to do with our attitudes that you can't see because you have yet to live in symbiosis with anyone. (Even though you were once married)

And where you and Lynx both are all upset about the reflection I just put up for you to see...I didn't create the image. I simply noticed it. I didn't want that image coming from me when I walked into the classroom.
Where I'm not one for "following the crowd" simply because they are the crowd "it is not good (not holy, not pure) for man to be alone. And being single is being alone.
You currently believe you are better being single. I completely disagree. There is another aspect of life you haven't had that is better. And where I know that your married female friends complain about their husband's constantly they haven't exactly found it either. Their assumptions about the singles always being available for free babysitting is another big red flag that they still have yet to learn the "good" parts of being married.
I'm sorry you are not always right (except in your own mind) on this one. I/we am going to side with God and not you in my opinion on this one.

There is a very good life of symbiosis that exists with married couples. It happens. It exists. It is good. Together, in marriage, we become more than the sum of our parts. It's God's design....take it up with Him if you don't like it.

I would like to ask you an honest question, John. And not out of spite or bitterness or anything like that, but more as if I were a daughter and if you were a father figure.

If you and your wife were in a stage of becoming more of each other's at-home caretakers and were having some problems (not being able to drive as much, etc.) with serious health issues pending... And you knew that in time, you and your wife would be much more dependent on others, what would you want your single adult daughter to do?

Choice A -- Stay within close vicinity to help as much as possible and look after you and your wife as you get older (and more reliant on help.)

Choice B -- Go across the country to marry someone she has known 20+ years and would be an excellent match, but have to leave you. You can't or won't be able to make the move with her, and the couple can't move to where you are due to his situation on the other side of the equation (after all, marriage is about making two people one, and his situation dictates him staying there, or they would be abandoning HIS parents.) And what if you or your wife dies, leaving one of you alone? Would you want your daughter to live her own life, or to look after yours (or that of your wife?)

Which would you have her choose?

Your daughter's own security, both present and future, in moving and marrying, but without being able to see you more than once or twice a year? Or would you rather choose yours or your wife's own comfort and security by having her nearby to help?


I am genuinely curious as to what you would choose for her if given the opportunity.

THIS is why I disagree with statements about singles being selfish, flirty, etc. We all have issues with sin, no matter what form, and every married or single person fights their own demons. No one is exempt. Some even fight the very same demons, even if their marital status is different.

But to dismiss all singles as narcissistic flirts who think only of themselves all the time -- it's just not true. Sure, some are, but we've all met plenty of marrieds who are that way as well.

Some of us singles COULD be like you (married,) but most of the single peers I have at this stage in life are caught in the same situation as myself, having to measure the best for those we love as being better than what might be best for ourselves.
 

Lynx

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Maybe dead to you, but alive in Christ! :cool::giggle:

Strange that a guy with such a happy home life spends so much time on an internet forum arguing with people. Why would somebody that content need that much self-validation?

(Wheee! I just love this ignore stuff!) :LOL::LOL::LOL::ROFL:
 

Lynx

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#83
Well by that logic Jesus spent the whole of his human life in a state that was not good (not holy, not pure). Funny how Jesus was never alone though. Almost like people can relate to each other and have community in more ways than just marriage or something.


Perhaps or perhaps the Bible has 1 Corinthians 7 as well as Genesis 2 because God's best can vary between people. And having heard the stories I am convinced that seoulsearch and many others are better off being single than being in the marriage or relationship situations they had.

Right back at you. Ever read Matthew 19:10-12 ? The part where after listening to Jesus talk about marriage and divorce the disciples conclude it's better not to marry and Jesus doesn't tell them they're wrong. He just tells them that not everyone can accept that (maybe you're in that category).

. In the best marriages, yes, no one disputes that. There have also been some amazing kingdom things done by single Christians. And there have been Christian men who abused their wives and children and Christian singles who are more like Samson or the Proverbs 7 woman. Where you really go wrong is seeing marital status as a character or obedience issue rather than seeing it as the setting for where an individual lives out their character.

And honestly those of us who have been around a while know that the married who speak disparagingly about all singles are usually those who are unhappily married and jealous of us getting the advantages of singleness so they want to bring us down by making a big deal about the disadvantages of our state.

And that whole thing about you and your wife being completely of one way of thinking, reminds me a lot of the Collinses in pride and prejudice: he says they're of one mind and blissfully happy; she confides in her friend that she encourages him in multiple pursuits with the effect of them seeing each other as little as possible and she finds the solitude quite comfortable.
There were so many totally sick burns in this one post that if you were a space shuttle you would have deorbited.
 

Lanolin

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#84
Im sorry not following but from what I gather some husbands seem think their wives think exactly like they do on everything.

I know from observing many many marriages this is decidedly NOT the case. Unless the wives brain has genuinely fallen out of her skull, most actually have a mind of their own.
 

seoulsearch

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#85
You can vehemently protest all you want....
As far as my wife goes...she can probably write my exact thoughts except better because "I are we" ALWAYS. We share the same thoughts.

Simple lesson from Genesis: "It is not good for man to be alone"

Man and woman are still created to live symbiotically with each other. The model has not changed just because we have modern conveniences. It has everything to do with our attitudes that you can't see because you have yet to live in symbiosis with anyone. (Even though you were once married)

And where you and Lynx both are all upset about the reflection I just put up for you to see...I didn't create the image. I simply noticed it. I didn't want that image coming from me when I walked into the classroom.
Where I'm not one for "following the crowd" simply because they are the crowd "it is not good (not holy, not pure) for man to be alone. And being single is being alone.
You currently believe you are better being single. I completely disagree. There is another aspect of life you haven't had that is better. And where I know that your married female friends complain about their husband's constantly they haven't exactly found it either. Their assumptions about the singles always being available for free babysitting is another big red flag that they still have yet to learn the "good" parts of being married.
I'm sorry you are not always right (except in your own mind) on this one. I/we am going to side with God and not you in my opinion on this one.

There is a very good life of symbiosis that exists with married couples. It happens. It exists. It is good. Together, in marriage, we become more than the sum of our parts. It's God's design....take it up with Him if you don't like it.
I would like to ask you an honest question, John. And not out of spite or bitterness or anything like that, but more as if I were a daughter and if you were a father figure.

If you and your wife were in a stage of becoming more of each other's at-home caretakers and were having some problems (not being able to drive as much, etc.) with serious health issues pending... And you knew that in time, you and your wife would be much more dependent on others, what would you want your single adult daughter to do?

Choice A -- Stay within close vicinity to help as much as possible and look after you and your wife as you get older (and more reliant on help.)

Choice B -- Go across the country to marry someone she has known 20+ years and would be an excellent match, but have to leave you. You can't or won't be able to make the move with her, and the couple can't move to where you are due to his situation on the other side of the equation (after all, marriage is about making two people one, and his situation dictates him staying there, or they would be abandoning HIS parents.) And what if you or your wife dies, leaving one of you alone? Would you want your daughter to live her own life, or to look after yours (or that of your wife?)

Which would you have her choose?

Your daughter's own security, both present and future, in moving and marrying, but without being able to see you more than once or twice a year? Or would you rather choose yours or your wife's own comfort and security by having her nearby to help?


I am genuinely curious as to what you would choose for her if given the opportunity.

THIS is why I disagree with statements about singles being selfish, flirty, etc. We all have issues with sin, no matter what form, and every married or single person fights their own demons. No one is exempt. Some even fight the very same demons, even if their marital status is different.

But to dismiss all singles as narcissistic flirts who think only of themselves all the time -- it's just not true. Sure, some are, but we've all met plenty of marrieds who are that way as well.

Some of us singles COULD be like you (married,) but most of the single peers I have at this stage in life are caught in the same situation as myself, having to measure the best for those we love as being better than what might be best for ourselves.
After reading Beckie's response saying that she didn't understand the point of one of my posts, I wondered if my last post might come across as unclear as well.

This last post is mostly in response to your statement that God Himself says it is not good to be alone, as well as the point you made in another post that sometimes the cure is even more painful than the disease.

And so I was asking you, how does one discern between the two, and how do you tell which one is the cure to be administered?

In my own life example, you would say that God said it is not good to be alone, and that if I have a problem with that, I can take it up with Him. You say that because of this, the better choice (the cure for my disease of being alone) is to marry.

But God's highest calling in our lives isn't to cure our loneliness or to make it so that we aren't alone. His biggest concern for each of us is our spiritual growth.

So again, in your example, you see being alone as the disease and marriage as being God's cure for this state. But what about the other factors of life that come into play? As mentioned, I have had opportunities to get married. But, as we are to think of others and not just ourselves, I have to think of my parent's risk of being left alone.

And so if they too are facing the disease of being alone and God says that being alone is not good (even if it's in a different way,) and my NOT getting married due to circumstances is the cure to THEIR disease, which one now takes priority? My own needs and wants, or theirs?

If MY loneliness is the sickness and getting married is the cure, what happens if it in turn exacerbates and causes rapid development in that same sickness (loneliness) for my parents? What happens when your cure is a major contributing factor to someone ELSE'S disease? What would God have us choose, especially when He says the greatest love for someone isn't to marry, but to lay down your life for those you love?

I know many other singles in this same predicament. One gave up independence across the country to make sure an elderly relative has someone to watch over them 24/7 and can stay in the safe and familiar environment of their own home. Another doesn't have much time to date or meet a potential husband because she is literally too busy helping to raise a myriad of other parents' children. I have no doubt that even though she doesn't have a biological child, God is going to credit an entire pack of children to her in heaven, because she has been so crucial to their care. Another has sacrificed social activities in favor of being a volunteer tutor for younger students, because she feels called to help the next generations.

This is why it feels dehumanizing to be knocked down to the bottom of the social ladder and dismissed as attention-seeking airheads just because we are single.

The Bible tells us to pick up our cross, deny ourselves, and follow Him. For some, that thing that has to die on the cross is the hope of marriage, and it's not particularly by an actual choice in which both answers are equally weighted, but rather, it's an illusion of a force "choice" dictated by circumstance and not what one truly wants.

In your own situation, and feel free to correct anything I'm getting wrong, you wrote that your in-laws have made poor financial decisions that has put them in a place of great need. If you and your wife are to help them, it will be at a great burden to you both.

So which are the diseases and which are the cures in this situation? I'm sure you're asking yourself the very same questions.

If your in-laws bad choices are their disease, does that mean your help is the cure? If you do decide to help your in-laws, is it a cure, or is it enabling them (and furthering their disease?) Would also be a disease to you and your wife, since it sounds like it will cause you a world of additional stress and inconvenience?

But if you DON'T help your in-laws, which is the disease, and which is the cure? If the decision is made to do what makes you and your wife happiest and most comfortable, will God say it's a sickness that needs to be addressed (selfishness?) or will He see it as your own right to maintain your own cure (what's best for your own selves)?

I'm asking these more as hypothetical questions, as I know there are no black and white answers. And as you told me that I needed to review the simple Biblical lesson that "it is not good to be alone," one of the most popular verses in my family that gets recited is, "Whoever does not take care of their own family is worse than an unbeliever." How does it fit for you regarding your wife's parents?

These are the kinds of agonizing merry-go-round life-altering puzzles are ones we are ALL going through, and I personally see this as putting both marrieds and singles on a somewhat level playing field in at least one area of life -- the dynamic of serving others.

In my own life, I know the ultimate purpose of our lives isn't to not be alone or to get married or have a family -- it is to serve. And so, for my own situation, the question became, "Who needs my service more in the present circumstance -- my parents, or a husband?"

As much as I could love a husband, my parents became the love of my life when my original husband deserted me, and they helped bring me back to life. I always say that my original husband ripped out my soul when he left, and this whole time, God and those who have stood by me are helping me to grow it back. And I in turn believe God has led me to show them the same loyalty.

He may very well open to door for me to serve both my parents, a husband, and his parents all at once, but for now, I feel I know where I need to concentrate my biggest efforts.
 

JohnDB

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I would like to ask you an honest question, John. And not out of spite or bitterness or anything like that, but more as if I were a daughter and if you were a father figure.

If you and your wife were in a stage of becoming more of each other's at-home caretakers and were having some problems (not being able to drive as much, etc.) with serious health issues pending... And you knew that in time, you and your wife would be much more dependent on others, what would you want your single adult daughter to do?

Choice A -- Stay within close vicinity to help as much as possible and look after you and your wife as you get older (and more reliant on help.)

Choice B -- Go across the country to marry someone she has known 20+ years and would be an excellent match, but have to leave you. You can't or won't be able to make the move with her, and the couple can't move to where you are due to his situation on the other side of the equation (after all, marriage is about making two people one, and his situation dictates him staying there, or they would be abandoning HIS parents.) And what if you or your wife dies, leaving one of you alone? Would you want your daughter to live her own life, or to look after yours (or that of your wife?)

Which would you have her choose?

Your daughter's own security, both present and future, in moving and marrying, but without being able to see you more than once or twice a year? Or would you rather choose yours or your wife's own comfort and security by having her nearby to help?


I am genuinely curious as to what you would choose for her if given the opportunity.

THIS is why I disagree with statements about singles being selfish, flirty, etc. We all have issues with sin, no matter what form, and every married or single person fights their own demons. No one is exempt. Some even fight the very same demons, even if their marital status is different.

But to dismiss all singles as narcissistic flirts who think only of themselves all the time -- it's just not true. Sure, some are, but we've all met plenty of marrieds who are that way as well.

Some of us singles COULD be like you (married,) but most of the single peers I have at this stage in life are caught in the same situation as myself, having to measure the best for those we love as being better than what might be best for ourselves.
I would tell her to go....visit when she could. My wife would say the exact same thing. We would get by somehow. Probably with friends from church or we would go to a retirement center to live.

Sure it's a difficult question...on the one hand we would love our daughter and want her around all the time....but not to the detriment of her living her life however she chose...even if we needed to somehow make the choice easier for her by possibly being mean if need be. Because I don't matter. My life isn't important. I'm last on the list of importance. My wife is of the same mind.
Difficult concept for many people to really understand. I win more life by losing it. It is the model Jesus laid out for us. He wasn't kidding. It's not a "give to get" scheme either...
It's a lifestyle choice.
 

Beckie

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@seoulsearch ... The post above about the daughter moving or taking care of her parents. Short term, lets say a few weeks ,yes take care of your parents you will feel better about your self.. As parent in sorta that situation only long term , for real , the choice was you need to move we will manage but visit as often as you can .

Sorta funny but only sorta, the Scriptures says Gen_2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. it does not say woman. :)
 

seoulsearch

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@seoulsearch ... The post above about the daughter moving or taking care of her parents. Short term, lets say a few weeks ,yes take care of your parents you will feel better about your self.. As parent in sorta that situation only long term , for real , the choice was you need to move we will manage but visit as often as you can .

Sorta funny but only sorta, the Scriptures says Gen_2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. it does not say woman. :)
One of my Lutheran high school pastors noted this.

He said that he believed in his own observation that it was much easier for women who were widowed to live without men than men who were widowed. He felt it also had to do with the fact that woman was made for man and not man for woman. I saw this as well in my own family, with a female member of my family coping much better than the male.

But he also stressed that this was just his own idea and certainly not God's ultimate teaching.
 

seoulsearch

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I would tell her to go....visit when she could. My wife would say the exact same thing. We would get by somehow. Probably with friends from church or we would go to a retirement center to live.

Sure it's a difficult question...on the one hand we would love our daughter and want her around all the time....but not to the detriment of her living her life however she chose...even if we needed to somehow make the choice easier for her by possibly being mean if need be. Because I don't matter. My life isn't important. I'm last on the list of importance. My wife is of the same mind.
Difficult concept for many people to really understand. I win more life by losing it. It is the model Jesus laid out for us. He wasn't kidding. It's not a "give to get" scheme either...
It's a lifestyle choice.
@seoulsearch ... The post above about the daughter moving or taking care of her parents. Short term, lets say a few weeks ,yes take care of your parents you will feel better about your self.. As parent in sorta that situation only long term , for real , the choice was you need to move we will manage but visit as often as you can .

Sorta funny but only sorta, the Scriptures says Gen_2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. it does not say woman. :)

Thank you both for taking the time to answer. It's awesome to hear about parents who are still willing to make such heartfelt sacrifices for their children, even when they are grown.

In my case, one of my parents doesn't really drive anymore and the one who does is facing possible mobility issues in the near future. I know they could get help from church members, but depending on how things go, it could turn into much more of a need than just friends or outsiders could manage. l also have to be bluntly honest in that I don't trust anyone else to be there for them to the degree that they might need.

I grew up seeing incidences in which people in churches regularly tried to use them for their own ministry interests or projects (as many churches burn out their members,) and so the thought of "leaving them to the help of their church" doesn't give me any peace.

I also hear so many cases of elderly abuse -- just recently a good friend's family member was a discovered to be avictim and that really made me a bit paranoid, as this person's family is extremely close-knit and would never have decided on any kind of help without the utmost scrutiny. When my grandparents were in care, we would find that that they might go hours without the assistance they needed.

It's really has gotten to the point where I don't trust anyone else to look after them without a family member around to make sure nothing goes awry. There have been countless reports of hired help scamming/stealing from older clients in every area I have lived.

Some would say I'm acting as a self-made martyr, but that's not my intent at all. I have seen the difference in their mental health when family is and is not near by.

I had so many issues growing up, I asked my parents if they would have ever adopted a child if they had known how much it was going to cost them. And while they do say that in some ways maybe ignorance can be bliss as you take something on, there wasn't a thing they ever held back when it came to my health and safety, no matter how many long hours my dad had to work (often 7 days a week, as my mom was a homemaker.)

It's a sobering thing when the tables flip and now you find yourself having to care for the people who raised you, but I feel very strongly that for all they have done, my parents deserve only the safest and most high quality care in return.

If something happened and someone needed to start paying bills for them, there is surely no one I would trust except immediate family (unless some of my long-distance friends moved to this area.)
 

Beckie

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My dad, ask my husband, if he would take care of, my mom, if dad died. I have one older sister 3 younger brothers . We did, for just about 20 years. Mom had to go to a home she was mom and me at 70 was still the kid :) Us kids all agreed it was time. We had a blessing not all families have, baby brother is a doctor and worked at the home she was going too.
 

JohnDB

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After reading Beckie's response saying that she didn't understand the point of one of my posts, I wondered if my last post might come across as unclear as well.

This last post is mostly in response to your statement that God Himself says it is not good to be alone, as well as the point you made in another post that sometimes the cure is even more painful than the disease.

And so I was asking you, how does one discern between the two, and how do you tell which one is the cure to be administered?

In my own life example, you would say that God said it is not good to be alone, and that if I have a problem with that, I can take it up with Him. You say that because of this, the better choice (the cure for my disease of being alone) is to marry.

But God's highest calling in our lives isn't to cure our loneliness or to make it so that we aren't alone. His biggest concern for each of us is our spiritual growth.

So again, in your example, you see being alone as the disease and marriage as being God's cure for this state. But what about the other factors of life that come into play? As mentioned, I have had opportunities to get married. But, as we are to think of others and not just ourselves, I have to think of my parent's risk of being left alone.

And so if they too are facing the disease of being alone and God says that being alone is not good (even if it's in a different way,) and my NOT getting married due to circumstances is the cure to THEIR disease, which one now takes priority? My own needs and wants, or theirs?

If MY loneliness is the sickness and getting married is the cure, what happens if it in turn exacerbates and causes rapid development in that same sickness (loneliness) for my parents? What happens when your cure is a major contributing factor to someone ELSE'S disease? What would God have us choose, especially when He says the greatest love for someone isn't to marry, but to lay down your life for those you love?

I know many other singles in this same predicament. One gave up independence across the country to make sure an elderly relative has someone to watch over them 24/7 and can stay in the safe and familiar environment of their own home. Another doesn't have much time to date or meet a potential husband because she is literally too busy helping to raise a myriad of other parents' children. I have no doubt that even though she doesn't have a biological child, God is going to credit an entire pack of children to her in heaven, because she has been so crucial to their care. Another has sacrificed social activities in favor of being a volunteer tutor for younger students, because she feels called to help the next generations.

This is why it feels dehumanizing to be knocked down to the bottom of the social ladder and dismissed as attention-seeking airheads just because we are single.

The Bible tells us to pick up our cross, deny ourselves, and follow Him. For some, that thing that has to die on the cross is the hope of marriage, and it's not particularly by an actual choice in which both answers are equally weighted, but rather, it's an illusion of a force "choice" dictated by circumstance and not what one truly wants.

In your own situation, and feel free to correct anything I'm getting wrong, you wrote that your in-laws have made poor financial decisions that has put them in a place of great need. If you and your wife are to help them, it will be at a great burden to you both.

So which are the diseases and which are the cures in this situation? I'm sure you're asking yourself the very same questions.

If your in-laws bad choices are their disease, does that mean your help is the cure? If you do decide to help your in-laws, is it a cure, or is it enabling them (and furthering their disease?) Would also be a disease to you and your wife, since it sounds like it will cause you a world of additional stress and inconvenience?

But if you DON'T help your in-laws, which is the disease, and which is the cure? If the decision is made to do what makes you and your wife happiest and most comfortable, will God say it's a sickness that needs to be addressed (selfishness?) or will He see it as your own right to maintain your own cure (what's best for your own selves)?

I'm asking these more as hypothetical questions, as I know there are no black and white answers. And as you told me that I needed to review the simple Biblical lesson that "it is not good to be alone," one of the most popular verses in my family that gets recited is, "Whoever does not take care of their own family is worse than an unbeliever." How does it fit for you regarding your wife's parents?

These are the kinds of agonizing merry-go-round life-altering puzzles are ones we are ALL going through, and I personally see this as putting both marrieds and singles on a somewhat level playing field in at least one area of life -- the dynamic of serving others.

In my own life, I know the ultimate purpose of our lives isn't to not be alone or to get married or have a family -- it is to serve. And so, for my own situation, the question became, "Who needs my service more in the present circumstance -- my parents, or a husband?"

As much as I could love a husband, my parents became the love of my life when my original husband deserted me, and they helped bring me back to life. I always say that my original husband ripped out my soul when he left, and this whole time, God and those who have stood by me are helping me to grow it back. And I in turn believe God has led me to show them the same loyalty.

He may very well open to door for me to serve both my parents, a husband, and his parents all at once, but for now, I feel I know where I need to concentrate my biggest efforts.
Being alone isn't a disease...just a symptom of a larger problem usually.

The Apostle Paul was alone but had a definitely good reason for his choice. Asking any woman to put up with a husband who was going to be martyred after being in prison a good chunk of his life is not exactly what married life is to be about. Paul knew the life he was going to live. Scriptures were clear on that. Which is why he chose celibacy.

Jesus is God. His "bride" is the Church. Not even going to go further on that subject.

As far as divorce goes....yes, it sucks. The best revenge for the divorce is living well. There is a life after such an emotional injury...no different than losing a limb. People can survive and thrive after losing an arm...and people can choose to thrive after divorce. It is a choice. It does seem difficult to do after divorce...for a variety of reasons....but if dedicated to the ideal it can be done. It's a choice like getting out of bed. You have to do it every day even when you don't feel like it.

The world and society has changed from what it once was....taboos are almost non-existent. It used to be that guys would stay far away from a soldier's wife....but not anymore. Some guys target them for the taboo. Same thing with single moms. Guys used to never want to get near them for a laundry list of reasons. Now it's nothing but an average available single person.
All of these things are exactly the symptoms of the larger problem. The "average" married couple today has had at least two domestic partnerships before finally getting married...again more symptoms of a larger problem.

Critical analysis of propaganda is part of it. Understanding yourself is another part. (This part is getting even worse where even gender is considered fluid)
And of course narcissism is driving a lot of it too.
 

Lynx

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Hmm... JohnDB still hasn't answered cinder's post.

I'll give you 2 to 5 odds that he has her on ignore too. :LOL:
 

seoulsearch

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Being alone isn't a disease...just a symptom of a larger problem usually.

The Apostle Paul was alone but had a definitely good reason for his choice. Asking any woman to put up with a husband who was going to be martyred after being in prison a good chunk of his life is not exactly what married life is to be about. Paul knew the life he was going to live. Scriptures were clear on that. Which is why he chose celibacy.

Jesus is God. His "bride" is the Church. Not even going to go further on that subject.

As far as divorce goes....yes, it sucks. The best revenge for the divorce is living well. There is a life after such an emotional injury...no different than losing a limb. People can survive and thrive after losing an arm...and people can choose to thrive after divorce. It is a choice. It does seem difficult to do after divorce...for a variety of reasons....but if dedicated to the ideal it can be done. It's a choice like getting out of bed. You have to do it every day even when you don't feel like it.

The world and society has changed from what it once was....taboos are almost non-existent. It used to be that guys would stay far away from a soldier's wife....but not anymore. Some guys target them for the taboo. Same thing with single moms. Guys used to never want to get near them for a laundry list of reasons. Now it's nothing but an average available single person.
All of these things are exactly the symptoms of the larger problem. The "average" married couple today has had at least two domestic partnerships before finally getting married...again more symptoms of a larger problem.

Critical analysis of propaganda is part of it. Understanding yourself is another part. (This part is getting even worse where even gender is considered fluid)
And of course narcissism is driving a lot of it too.
My post wasn't to try to somehow ultimately cast being alone as a disease, but rather to expand on some of the statements in your other posts.

My conclusion, similarly, was that there are times when making choices that best alleviate or soothe our own discomfort with being alone are out of selfish wants.

Married or single, we all fall prey to putting ourselves (or our own particular family unit) first, no matter who falls by the wayside.

Just stating this as a clarification for my original thought behind the post.
 

MsMediator

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As I become older, the reality of being caregiver one day is setting in. This is kind of a scary feeling because this is a new area for me, plus as my parents were not caregivers to their elderly parents due to living far away from them this situation is also new for them. They seem to think caregiving is not too demanding and asked me not to put them in a home, but I told them I cannot make that promise or other similar big promises.

I may very well be that daughter who ends up sacrificing her personal life to take her of elderly parents. So far, though, I have not had any potential suitors so I have not missed out on married life, etc. I do not really feel that sacrifice. If by chance I do meet someone from far away, I believe my parents would want me to go with him but would also feel a loss if I were not in their lives (and likewise). I feel there is no perfect situation unless everyone lives across the street from or next door to eachother (so you/spouse and parents/in-laws have some privacy but also are essentially together). However, this may not be feasible either because of costs or no interest in moving. Whenever there is distance, there is going to be some sacrifice, loss, and inconvenience.
 

JohnDB

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Well by that logic Jesus spent the whole of his human life in a state that was not good (not holy, not pure). Funny how Jesus was never alone though. Almost like people can relate to each other and have community in more ways than just marriage or something.


Perhaps or perhaps the Bible has 1 Corinthians 7 as well as Genesis 2 because God's best can vary between people. And having heard the stories I am convinced that seoulsearch and many others are better off being single than being in the marriage or relationship situations they had.

Right back at you. Ever read Matthew 19:10-12 ? The part where after listening to Jesus talk about marriage and divorce the disciples conclude it's better not to marry and Jesus doesn't tell them they're wrong. He just tells them that not everyone can accept that (maybe you're in that category).

. In the best marriages, yes, no one disputes that. There have also been some amazing kingdom things done by single Christians. And there have been Christian men who abused their wives and children and Christian singles who are more like Samson or the Proverbs 7 woman. Where you really go wrong is seeing marital status as a character or obedience issue rather than seeing it as the setting for where an individual lives out their character.

And honestly those of us who have been around a while know that the married who speak disparagingly about all singles are usually those who are unhappily married and jealous of us getting the advantages of singleness so they want to bring us down by making a big deal about the disadvantages of our state.

And that whole thing about you and your wife being completely of one way of thinking, reminds me a lot of the Collinses in pride and prejudice: he says they're of one mind and blissfully happy; she confides in her friend that she encourages him in multiple pursuits with the effect of them seeing each other as little as possible and she finds the solitude quite comfortable.
I ain't forgotten about you....I just have a life here and things need getting done. I've been gone a month from here and there is still a lot needing done on a daily, weekly, and monthly basis.

I'll get to you soon enough though. There ARE answers like Jesus is God. His bride is the church...and He has never needed us to begin with. He is, has been, and forever will be complete even without us. God merely desires us. (I tend to think He is a bit nuts on this desire but since I'm in the bene side I'll let Him be on it)
 

Lanolin

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um Adam was that only man in the entire universe at that time

nowadays men are not alone. Theres like billions of humans on this planet.

as for husbands that say their wife will say EXACTLY the same thing as them...I dont believe it. Unless her brain has fallen out of her skull...besides, tellingly she is not here to give HER side of the story.

And there are several red flags about some marriages where maybe the wife will say the same thing, but actually feels very differently, because the husband cannot speak for his wife. She has a voice too.

And we have several examples in the Bible where the husband and wife had different thoughts and say different things.
 

Lanolin

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lets see

Abraham and Sarah
Job and his wife
Abigail and Nabal
Mary and Joseph
Zachariah and Elizabeth
Ruth and Boaz
Adam and Eve
Vashti and King Xerxes
Isaac and Rebekah
Solomon and his nine hundred wives....
lol
 

Lanolin

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I think men should have parrots instead of wives then they can say exactly the same thing over and over and over. It will be great, and they wont be alone then.

This is why pirates have them right? cos wenches didnt last long.
 

Lynx

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Hmm... JohnDB still hasn't answered cinder's post.

I'll give you 2 to 5 odds that he has her on ignore too. :LOL:

I ain't forgotten about you....I just have a life here and things need getting done. I've been gone a month from here and there is still a lot needing done on a daily, weekly, and monthly basis.

I'll get to you soon enough though. There ARE answers like Jesus is God. His bride is the church...and He has never needed us to begin with. He is, has been, and forever will be complete even without us. God merely desires us. (I tend to think He is a bit nuts on this desire but since I'm in the bene side I'll let Him be on it)
Well shoot. I just lost two of whatever it was we were betting.
 

Lanolin

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diffrent topic or maybe the same to think about

Have a good support network around you and try to get along with the family you DO have. Some friends can come and go but true friends will want to stick by you.

Try to be a good friend to others, like Jesus was and yes the truth is it WILL involve sacrifice...he willingly laid down his life for his friends.

Think about who your true friends are and what you would do for your friends. Be willing to admit you might be one of those demanding friends that expects a bit TOO much of others. Dont ever treat friends like servants. that is a different kind of relationship.