Divorce...

[SomeDisciple]

But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, brings adultery upon her. Those are
Jesus' words in Matthew 5:32. Adultery is brought upon the woman whose husband divorces her without cause.

Yeah, I don't think Jesus was making an assumption about what women will do when he said this; I think he was just making an observation that it was happening already all around Judea. These women were being put away for illegitimate reasons, and naturally feeling that they got a raw deal, maybe felt justified in going and getting another companion. And Jesus is giving the men part of the blame for what they are doing- and rightly so, because the women would have never done it if their husbands weren't putting them away in the first place.
The woman is still guilty if she does wrong, regardless of the stumbling block in front of her; but the man is going to pay too- maybe even more, because he put the stumbling block there.

Jesus: unless she fornicate’s, you must send her away with the divorce certificate.

I don't think Jesus could say this; because he is talking about the law- and that's not what the law says. The law says if the man finds some uncleanness- which, I'm pretty sure includes sexual immorality... the law says put her away and give her a certificate: so there's no way that's what jesus was saying.

 

[Beckie]

We Christians do our best to negate the Word of God and justify living like the world .

 

[NOV25]

I can send out m

But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, brings adultery upon her. Those are
Jesus' words in Matthew 5:32. Adultery is brought upon the woman whose husband divorces her without cause.

Remember God’s word is infallible but that doesn’t carry over to every single word in the English translations.

As noted in previous post, historical background and original language will help.

Strong’s concordance is free to download on iPhone and there are online concordances. Great for all studies 👍

 

[SomeDisciple]

Remember God’s word is infallible but that doesn’t carry over to every single word in the English translations.

and even if the words carry over; the concepts behind the words still might not because western civilization is retarded, and oblivious to things God set in order from the beginning. It's so frustrating I want to take a vacation... I'm going to do an Israel trip someday... maybe next passover. I think that would be nice... much nicer than thinking about divorce, anyway... even if I get killed by some muslim terrorist attack while I'm there; I'll never have to think about divorce again!

 

[Magenta]

Yeah, I don't think Jesus was making an assumption about what women will do when he said this; I think he was just making an observation that it was happening already all around Judea. These women were being put away for illegitimate reasons, and naturally feeling that they got a raw deal, maybe felt justified in going and getting another companion. And Jesus is giving the men part of the blame for what they are doing- and rightly so, because the women would have never done it if their husbands weren't putting them away in the first place.
The woman is still guilty if she does wrong, regardless of the stumbling block in front of her; but the man is going to pay too- maybe even more, because he put the stumbling block there.

If she is divorced without cause and then her former husband is an adulterer, why is she not free to remarry?

Given that a man is free to remarry in the case of unfaithfulness, is she not also likewise free to do so?

Just trying to wrap my head around this, since it looks like a blatant double standard.

 

[NOV25]

I don't think Jesus could say this; because he is talking about the law- and that's not what the law says. The law says if the man finds some uncleanness- which, I'm pretty sure includes sexual immorality... the law says put her away and give her a certificate: so there's no way that's what jesus was saying.

Bro we’re almost speaking the same language, almost there!!!

Once it clicks you’ll be like 🤦‍♂️ why was I making that so difficult… lol

At least that’s what happened to me anyway 🤷‍♂️

Now let’s pretend I’m the Pharisee and you’re Jesus. Ready 🤣 This is so much fun 👏👏

Me: Hey Jesus, is it ok if I kick my wife out without a divorce certificate.

You: What’s the law say?

Me: It says if I kick her out I must give her the certificate.

You: That’s right, and if you dare kick her out without the divorce certificate you’re guilty, unless she cheated on you then it’s cool she don’t deserve the certificate, the alimony or to remarry.

🤦‍♂️Lord forgive me, I’ve never spoken like that before.

Please at least tell me it helped?!?

 

[Magenta]

These women were being put away for illegitimate reasons, and naturally feeling that they got a raw deal, maybe felt justified in going and getting another companion. And Jesus is giving the men part of the blame for what they are doing- and rightly so, because the women would have never done it if their husbands weren't putting them away in the first place.
The woman is still guilty if she does wrong,

That is the issue: if a man is cheated on, he is free to divorce and remarry.

A woman is cheated on but she does wrong to remarry?

 

[kinda]

That is the issue: if a man is cheated on, he is free to divorce and remarry.

A woman is cheated on but she does wrong to remarry?

Magenta, there isn't a double standard. Jesus made it clear, but people who want to remarry after divorce make it cloudy.

Luke 16:18

18 “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery.

 

[Magenta]

Magenta, there isn't a double standard. Jesus made it clear, but people who want to remarry after divorce make it cloudy.

Luke 16:18

18 “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery.

Isn't it that adultery is except in the case of unfaithfulness? iow, it is not wrong to divorce and remarry
under those circumstances. Unless you are a woman. Then, if your husband is unfaithful and divorces
you and remarries another, the divorced woman is said to be forced to commit adultery.

 

[kinda]

Isn't it that adultery is except in the case of unfaithfulness? iow, it is not wrong to divorce and remarry
under those circumstances. Unless you are a woman. Then, if your husband is unfaithful and divorces
you and remarries another, the divorced woman is said to be forced to commit adultery.

Just imagine if God didn't allow divorce? Think about that for a second. Some married couples would be scared to go to sleep at night, for fear of the spouse, not to mention fights, and etc.

I think your confusing the reason for divorce in a Biblical matter, with socially acceptable reasons to remarry. Jesus made it so clear in Luke 16:18, how can anyone be confused?

Here it is again.

Luke 16:18

18 “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery.

Now here is the reason one can divorce (Mathew 5:32), for sexual immorality (Adultery). Does that make sense? If not, I'm not a pastor, or any form of leadership in a church matters. If you don't like the explanation, you can get a second opinion, and do some study.

I think the matter is straight forward, but people are free to make up their own minds, and decide for themselves. Maybe ask your pastor and also listen to different opinions in the thread. kinda doesn't have the final say. lol This is just my view point, or opinion.

Like why would anyone listen to me?!?! lol

Matthew 5:31-32
31 “It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’
32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

 

[Gideon300]

God hates it. But, would He tell a woman (or a man) who is being abused by their spouse, either mentally or physically or both, that they must remain married?

Jesus gave one out: sexual infidelity. But, I have two solid Christian friends (one man and one woman) who are starting the process of breaking away from their spouses. As far as I know, sexual unfaithfulness is not reason. But, rather, years of mental and physical abuse is.

What say you all?

No one should be required to live with violence. I do not believe that God demands it. 1 Corinthians 7:12-15 implies, if not directly states that. We are called to live in peace. If one party is unwilling, they should leave. This is only for Christians. Worldly people are not subject to God's principles.

 

[Magenta]

Now here is the reason one can divorce (Mathew 5:32), for sexual immorality (Adultery). Does that make sense?

Yes, of course. In the case of marital infidelity on the part of the wife, the husband is free
to divorce her and remarry. Is he then committing adultery in that following marriage?

 

[NOV25]

John Wesley on Differences of Opinion Among Christians
If there [is] a difference of opinion, where is our religion, if we cannot think and let think?
-John Wesley, “The Lord Our Righteousness,” preached at the Chapel in West-Street, Seven Dials, Sunday, November 24, 1765.

From the "Preface" to Sermons On Several Occasions,
1872 Reprint of the 1771 edition of the Sermons
But some may say, I have mistaken the way myself, although I take it upon myself to teach others. It is probable many will think this, and it is very possible that I have. But I trust, whereinsoever I have mistaken, my mind is open to conviction. I sincerely desire to be better informed. I say to God and man, "What I know not, teach thou me!"

Are you persuaded that you see more clearly than me? It is not unlikely that you may. Then treat me as you would desire to be treated yourself upon a change of circumstances. Point out to me a better way than I have yet known. Show me it is so, by plain proof of Scripture. And if I linger in the path I have accustomed to tread, and am therefore unwilling to leave it, labour with me a little; take me by the hand, and lead me as I am able to bear. But be not displeased if I entreat you not to beat me down in order to quicken my pace: I can go but feebly and slowly at best; then, I should not be able to go at all. May I not request of you, further, not to give me hard names in order to bring me into the right way. Suppose I were ever so much in the wrong, I doubt this would not set me right. Rather, it would make me run so much the farther from you, and so get more and more out of the way

Nay, perhaps, if you are angry, so shall I be too; and then there will be small hopes of finding the truth. If once anger arises, [aute kapnos], (as Homer somewhere expresses it,) this smoke will so dim the eyes of my soul, that I shall be able to see nothing clearly. For God’s sake, if it be possible to avoid it, let us not provoke one another to wrath. Let us not kindle in each other this fire of hell; much less blow it up into a flame. If we could discern truth by that dreadful light, would it not be a loss rather than gain? For, how far is love, even with many wrong opinions, to be preferred before truth itself without love! We may die without the knowledge of many truths, and yet be carried into Abraham’s bosom. But if we die without love, what will knowledge avail? Just as much as it avails the devil and his angels!

The God of love forbid that we should ever make the trial. May he prepare us for the knowledge of all truth, by filling our hearts with all his love, and with all joy and peace in believing!

 

[kinda]

Yes, of course. In the case of marital infidelity on the part of the wife, the husband is free
to divorce her and remarry. Is he then committing adultery in that following marriage?

That's a great question Magenta. What do you think Luke 16:18 means?


Luke 16:18

18 “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery.

 

[kinda]

John Wesley on Differences of Opinion Among Christians
If there [is] a difference of opinion, where is our religion, if we cannot think and let think?
-John Wesley, “The Lord Our Righteousness,” preached at the Chapel in West-Street, Seven Dials, Sunday, November 24, 1765.

From the "Preface" to Sermons On Several Occasions,
1872 Reprint of the 1771 edition of the Sermons
But some may say, I have mistaken the way myself, although I take it upon myself to teach others. It is probable many will think this, and it is very possible that I have. But I trust, whereinsoever I have mistaken, my mind is open to conviction. I sincerely desire to be better informed. I say to God and man, "What I know not, teach thou me!"

Are you persuaded that you see more clearly than me? It is not unlikely that you may. Then treat me as you would desire to be treated yourself upon a change of circumstances. Point out to me a better way than I have yet known. Show me it is so, by plain proof of Scripture. And if I linger in the path I have accustomed to tread, and am therefore unwilling to leave it, labour with me a little; take me by the hand, and lead me as I am able to bear. But be not displeased if I entreat you not to beat me down in order to quicken my pace: I can go but feebly and slowly at best; then, I should not be able to go at all. May I not request of you, further, not to give me hard names in order to bring me into the right way. Suppose I were ever so much in the wrong, I doubt this would not set me right. Rather, it would make me run so much the farther from you, and so get more and more out of the way

Nay, perhaps, if you are angry, so shall I be too; and then there will be small hopes of finding the truth. If once anger arises, [aute kapnos], (as Homer somewhere expresses it,) this smoke will so dim the eyes of my soul, that I shall be able to see nothing clearly. For God’s sake, if it be possible to avoid it, let us not provoke one another to wrath. Let us not kindle in each other this fire of hell; much less blow it up into a flame. If we could discern truth by that dreadful light, would it not be a loss rather than gain? For, how far is love, even with many wrong opinions, to be preferred before truth itself without love! We may die without the knowledge of many truths, and yet be carried into Abraham’s bosom. But if we die without love, what will knowledge avail? Just as much as it avails the devil and his angels!

The God of love forbid that we should ever make the trial. May he prepare us for the knowledge of all truth, by filling our hearts with all his love, and with all joy and peace in believing!

Good post.

I definitely think that people are entitled to their own view points.

It doesn't hurt me none, if someone disagrees.

 

[Lynx]

Good post.

I definitely think that people are entitled to their own view points.

It doesn't hurt me none, if someone disagrees.

I disagree with that...

(Well somebody had to say it, and nobody was saying it, so I said it.)

 

[NOV25]

I disagree with that...

(Well somebody had to say it, and nobody was saying it, so I said it.)

You disagree with John Wesley’s quote?

 

[kinda]

I disagree with that...

(Well somebody had to say it, and nobody was saying it, so I said it.)

Lynx, aren't you a pastor or something? Maybe you can chime in on this 20 questions game?

 

[kinda]

You disagree with John Wesley’s quote?

Not to my understanding. If the post was meant to encourage each other, even though we disagree, than that's the part I agree with, but maybe there is a different way of viewing it. You have to remember it's early and I'm slightly dyslexic, so might have to reread it again. lol

 

[NOV25]

I thought the quote was very encouraging, it was to me. Reminded me that we should be gentile and loving with one another while discussing differences.
That all have room for improvement, even someone like Wesley…
❤️