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true_believer

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The implication that Christians should be all up in arms about birth control as an abortifactant - if it were on a par with elective abortion which you refer to as first degree murder - was where my involvement in this part of the convo began. I hope you can see the difference.

In other words, desiring to prevent conception does not equate to murder in my books.
Well some prudish types are on a crusade(pun intended), to spoil all forms of pleasure.
 
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On that point I didn't hear a very interesting theory today. It goes something like this:

Barr was engaged (at the request of Trump) as a go-between negotiator with the Deep State actors and entities. This was an effort at cutting deals, plea bargains & peacemaking.

Barr did what he could and, then his task completed, stepped down. Trump let him off the hook for his past sins and gave him a pat on the back and cut him loose scot-free.

The BIG RECENT announcement that there are NOW actual subpoenas & multipronged investigations against the Bidens, election fraudsters and many others, as well as Durham being instantly anointed special prosecutor lends credence to these pretensions.

And then of course there is this.....SolarWinds and Dominion are like two peas in a pod.

Interesting Take On SolarWinds Hack: “FBI, Texas Rangers & US Marshals” Raid TX Office
"Texas Rangers and U.S. Marshals should be trustworthy… FBI, not so much."

https://conservativedailypost.com/i...fbi-texas-rangers-us-marshals-raid-tx-office/
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Intriguing – the polite send off also piqued my curiosity since Trump has no compunction about railing against a flailing subordinate…
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Intriguing – the polite send off also piqued my curiosity since Trump has no compunction about railing against a flailing subordinate…
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I agree, Trump didnt mix words when speaking about Barr in the past month
 

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The Pill isnt an abortifacient as you claim, it suppresses ovulation that dosent allow the egg to drop and be fertilized

You cant abort something that dosent exist.


Google Dictionary: Abortifacient

adjective
  1. (chiefly of a drug) causing abortion.
I did not make that claim... I am telling you what another said that I countered.

Get your facts straight :rolleyes:
 

Truth7t7

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I did not make that claim... I am telling you what another said that I countered.

Get your facts straight :rolleyes:
My apology

Do you believe the pill is an abortifacient?

Do you believe (The Pill) in suppressing ovulation, is as bad as aborting a living human during pregnancy?
 

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REVEALED: Mitch McConnell’s In-Laws Bought 10 Massive Ships from the Chinese Government Since His Wife Elaine Chao Became Transportation Secretary
Yes the scumbag politicians will sell their patriotism if you offer them a decent price.
Trump of course is squeaky clean like a choirboy, because he is a legitimate patriot. Who ELSE in government service is not taking bribes? The true patriots in the military. We should consider that the military are lending their allegiance to a patriotic President.....with no reservations. They recognize who Trump is in and what he is doing. They have his back. Certainly they are perfectly aware of the attacks from within and without regarding this massive election fraud. They know for certain that this is a coup attempt by enemy communist combatants. Rest assured that Trump will have the military fully on board when he executes the EO.

Did anyone noticed that Ratcliffe was in attendance with Trump at the Army Navy football game?
THAT ladies and gentlemen was a "tell".


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...-elaine-chao-became-transportation-secretary/

Not Making Headlines: DNI Ratcliffe Attends Army-Navy ...
 

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My apology

Do you believe the pill is an abortifacient?

Do you believe (The Pill) in suppressing ovulation, is as bad as aborting a living human during pregnancy?
If you read with any comprehension at all you should have figured out by now my position is that people take the pill to prevent conception, which nullifies classifying it anywhere near elective abortion.
 

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Shocking that McConnell supports Basement China Joe! Not! McConnell's father in law's "schoolmate for a time was Jiang Zemin, who would become China’s president." For the Chao Family, Deep Ties to the World’s 2 Largest Economies

Dr. Dave Janda 🇺🇸 ⭐️⭐️⭐️ on Twitter: "Shocking that McConnell supports Basement China Joe! Not! McConnell's father in law's "schoolmate for a time was Jiang Zemin, who would become China’s president." For the Chao Family, Deep Ties to the World’s 2 Largest Economies https://t.co/eg5ICit6RL @Lrihendry @SidneyPowell1" / Twitter
 

Truth7t7

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If you read with any comprehension at all you should have figured out by now my position is that people take the pill to prevent conception, which nullifies classifying it anywhere near elective abortion.
Thanks for your time, I agree

Sorry I haven't been watching your posting closer, been focusing on the election and (Who Will Win)
 

Truth7t7

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I've known for some time, McConnell's wife and the Chao dynasty

World shipping $$$ they hate President Trump's Tariffs

Is ole Mitch looking out for his inlaws, of course he is, America isnt first in his book, self gain $$$ like the rest of the Rhino's and Swamp creatures, that's my opinion
 

Truth7t7

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REVEALED: Mitch McConnell’s In-Laws Bought 10 Massive Ships from the Chinese Government Since His Wife Elaine Chao Became Transportation Secretary
Yes the scumbag politicians will sell their patriotism if you offer them a decent price.
Trump of course is squeaky clean like a choirboy, because he is a legitimate patriot. Who ELSE in government service is not taking bribes? The true patriots in the military. We should consider that the military are lending their allegiance to a patriotic President.....with no reservations. They recognize who Trump is in and what he is doing. They have his back. Certainly they are perfectly aware of the attacks from within and without regarding this massive election fraud. They know for certain that this is a coup attempt by enemy communist combatants. Rest assured that Trump will have the military fully on board when he executes the EO.

Did anyone noticed that Ratcliffe was in attendance with Trump at the Army Navy football game?
THAT ladies and gentlemen was a "tell".


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...-elaine-chao-became-transportation-secretary/

Not Making Headlines: DNI Ratcliffe Attends Army-Navy ...
Has McConnell's wife moved to help her families dynasty, you bet!

Good to hear Trump is close to John Ratcliffe, a true ally and in a position for deep investigation and privy info

Will SCOTUS decertify any States electors?

Hopefully they will give a favorable ruling "Soon" so congress has even more weight to their hammer in rejecting the democratic, criminal fraud electors?

I hope at the very least, congress dosent agree on electors, and its sent back to the states for a vote, where it's a 27/23 Trump victory in Republican controlled states?

That's how I believe it will playout, big argument in the house and senate, no agreement on electors, back to the states for their 1 vote on who will be President?

Trump/Pence Win!
 

Truth7t7

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Has McConnell's wife moved to help her families dynasty, you bet!

Good to hear Trump is close to John Ratcliffe, a true ally and in a position for deep investigation and privy info

Will SCOTUS decertify any States electors?

Hopefully they will give a favorable ruling "Soon" so congress has even more weight to their hammer in rejecting the democratic, criminal fraud electors?

I hope at the very least, congress dosent agree on electors, and its sent back to the states for a vote, where it's a 27/23 Trump victory in Republican controlled states?

That's how I believe it will playout, big argument in the house and senate, no agreement on electors, back to the states for their 1 vote on who will be President?

Trump/Pence Win!


List of United States state legislatures - Wikipedia


Party summary
Party control of legislatures
Republican-controlled legislatures 29

Democratic-controlled legislatures 19

Split legislatures 2

Total50

Note: A party with a numerical majority in a chamber may be forced to share power with other parties due to informal coalitions or may cede power outright because of divisions within its caucus.

Party control of state governments

Republican-controlled governments21

Democratic-controlled governments15

Democratic governor/Republican-controlled legislature 8

Republican governor/Democratic-controlled legislature 4

Democratic governor/Split legislature 1

Republican governor/Split legislature 1

Total 50
 

PennEd

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Those of us NOT completely indoctrinated by the leftist education establishment, "trust the science" sycophants, and the insanely dishonest media, already knew President Trump was completely right on HQC, but those on the left, sadly including some here, would have rather seen people die, then admit the President Trump was right. The AMA was among these sickos:

American Medical Association Rescinds Previous Statement Against Prescription of Hydroxychloroquine to COVID-19 Patients
CHICAGO, IL – The American Medical Association (AMA), in a surprising move, has officially rescinded a previous statement against the use of Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) in the treatment of COVID-19 patients, giving physicians the okay to return to utilizing the medication at their discretion.
Previously, the AMA had issued a statement in March that was highly critical of HCQ in regards to its use as a proposed treatment by some physicians in the early stages of COVID-19. In addition to discouraging doctors from ordering the medication in bulk for “off-label” use – HCQ is typically used to treat diseases such as malaria – they also claimed that there was no proof that it was effective in treating COVID, and that its use could be harmful in some instances.
However, on page 18 of a recent AMA memo, issued on October 30, (resolution 509, page 3) the organization officially reversed their stance on HCQ, stating that its potential for good currently may supersede the threat of any potential harmful side effects.
So, there we have it. HZQ could not be approved before the election, because President Trump had recommended it. Meanwhile, with an 8o +% reduced risk of having to be admitted to the hospital if administered with Azitromycine and Zinc as soon as testing positive or symptoms occurred, many (70000+) lives could have been saved.
 

Truth7t7

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Those of us NOT completely indoctrinated by the leftist education establishment, "trust the science" sycophants, and the insanely dishonest media, already knew President Trump was completely right on HQC, but those on the left, sadly including some here, would have rather seen people die, then admit the President Trump was right. The AMA was among these sickos:

American Medical Association Rescinds Previous Statement Against Prescription of Hydroxychloroquine to COVID-19 Patients
CHICAGO, IL – The American Medical Association (AMA), in a surprising move, has officially rescinded a previous statement against the use of Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) in the treatment of COVID-19 patients, giving physicians the okay to return to utilizing the medication at their discretion.
Previously, the AMA had issued a statement in March that was highly critical of HCQ in regards to its use as a proposed treatment by some physicians in the early stages of COVID-19. In addition to discouraging doctors from ordering the medication in bulk for “off-label” use – HCQ is typically used to treat diseases such as malaria – they also claimed that there was no proof that it was effective in treating COVID, and that its use could be harmful in some instances.
However, on page 18 of a recent AMA memo, issued on October 30, (resolution 509, page 3) the organization officially reversed their stance on HCQ, stating that its potential for good currently may supersede the threat of any potential harmful side effects.
So, there we have it. HZQ could not be approved before the election, because President Trump had recommended it. Meanwhile, with an 8o +% reduced risk of having to be admitted to the hospital if administered with Azitromycine and Zinc as soon as testing positive or symptoms occurred, many (70000+) lives could have been saved.
Good Research, I Agree

You bet these sick democrats would rather see Americans die, before giving one ounce of credit to President Trump, they would give their first born, sick, evil!

You will note (After The Election) all these Media revelations are coming out, Hunter Biden, this story, and much more

They suppressed the truth, to give favor to the mafia Boss Biden in a coverup

Its gonna be an action packed 3 weeks ahead, hang on to your pony!
 

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Maybe the SINGLE greatest secular article I have EVER read. This author recites PRECISELY what I have thought for at least the past 30 years:

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A Common-Sense Solution
Tom Trenchard

The real America needs a refounding.
Editors’ Note
We present this article as part of an ongoing exploration into what is being said among those who fear America’s internal differences have grown too great to be resolved. We are not endorsing secession or any measures of the kind the author proposes here. But we consider this work a valuable addition to an important conversation, and as always we consider it our duty to put into print the vital discussions that others will not touch.—Eds.


Human life is never quite as stable as we’d like, but we live in uniquely unsettling times. Some of us are angry. Many of us are worried. All of us are anxious about an uncertain future. In these circumstances, the bombastic, triumphal optimism of the pro-Biden crowd—just take a look at CNN for about 10 seconds and you’ll see what I mean—is obviously the product of deep insecurity. Like a 5’8” teenager driving a souped-up F150, it’s clear that the façade of Biden’s popular mandate to govern is masking a dangerously hollow reality.

According to a number of recent polls, overwhelming proportions of Trump supporters and large supermajorities of likely Republican voters as a whole believe that Biden’s election victory was illegitimate. Based on the existing popular vote counts, a good estimate would put the number of American voters who think Biden will be an illegitimate president at around 60 million. That’s the approximate population of Italy, France, or the U.K.
Put this together with the analysis I presented in my “2020 Retrospective” article on the urban/rural divide, and the result is staggering: A population of Americans equal in size to a large European country, occupying a land area about 20 times the size of any of them, currently believes they are facing the prospect of a usurped, illegitimate administration come January 20.

This stark reality of our political and geographical division sits on top of the similarly stark reality of our intellectual and spiritual division. This might not be a problem for Italy, France, or the U.K.—but it is for us. The United States has never been held together by ancestry, national origin, ethnicity, or race. We have always aspired to be a “melting pot,” a nation whose existential glue is not who you are but what you believe. A common creed, not demographics, has always defined American identity.
Today, this common creed has vanished. We are two Americas: Biden’s America and Trump’s America. These two Americas have nothing of importance in common with each other, and no common ground to stand on. There is not a single moral or political principle upon which these two Americas agree. Sure, everybody wants “freedom,” “justice,” “equality,” “democracy,” and a host of other glittering ideals. So have most dictators, Communists, and war criminals in modern history. Lenin, Stalin, and Mao gave stirring speeches in favor of all of them. The reality is that in the United States, we have long since ceased to do anything more than pay lip service to a sham facsimile of our old shared ideals.

What does this mean for us? If we are not held together as a nation by anything except the fact that we live in the same place (and, of course, even this isn’t true of parts of the U.S.), then we are not members of a common political community. Our union is built on what Alexander Hamilton called “accident and force” in the very first Federalist paper. We are subjects, not self-governing citizens.

What should we do about this? When our forebears faced a similar situation in 1776, they took decisive action. “Give me liberty or give me death,” they said. They adopted a Declaration expressing their common moral and political principles, and they affirmed their right to form a political community that would aspire to live according to those principles. It is high time for an American re-founding; not a “secession” or “separation,” but a “perpetuation” of self-evidently true American political principles embodied in a new political Union. This is what the United American Counties could be.

The principles of this new Union would be the principles of the Declaration of Independence, along with certain corollaries to these principles that elaborate its true meaning:
  • Limited and local government is the foundation of a genuine republic.
  • The natural right to religious liberty—of both worship and exercise—exists beyond politics, taking precedence over all rights merely positive, civil, or legal.
  • The natural right to life for all human beings at all ages and stages of development is entitled to recognition, respect, and protection.
  • The natural family begun in marriage between one man and one woman is the cornerstone of society.
  • The right to private property is fundamental, and should only be regulated as absolutely necessary to maintain free markets, equal opportunity, and the fair reward of industry and merit.
  • All citizens should be educated to understand the meaning and importance of American political principles, and equipped to become informed, active participants in our local, regional, and national systems of government.
  • Citizenship in the United American Counties is available to all who understand, profess, and commit to uphold the principles in this Declaration, regardless of national origin, racial or ethnic identity, or religious belief.
The common sense of 1776 dictated the American Revolution. The common sense of 2020 dictates the creation of a new political vehicle for perpetuating the true principles of the Revolution. Biden’s Urban America has already seceded from the United States of America that many of us know and love. Trump’s Counties can be a life raft for the American experiment in its most dire hour of need.
 
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Kayla mentioned '11' - thus EleventhHour. I had to put her on 'ignore' a while back too…her TDS has rendered her utterly insensible and it was even a little funny at first but now the descent into nonstop vitriol and shameless deceit is not worth sorting thru anymore hence iggyland.
Is anyone reading her posts?
 
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I think your point was clear initially, but the point TheIndianGirl was making was that a private corporate entity has the right to require their customers to wear masks. Giving you the benefit of the doubt for the motive of why businesses require mask wearing, they just want to show how good they are, it's still their right to require them just as it's our right to not do business with them.

At the end of the day, we have to decide if not wearing a mask is worth dying on a hill over. If someone is adamantly and passionately against wearing a mask which your husband clearly is, he should have refused to do business so that he's consistent with his principles. I agree with you that the store's requirement to wear mask inside but you can do business outside two feet away without a mask isn't an effective policy. It's all for nothing.

I just don't know what we are really losing by wearing a mask. Even if it only protects marginally (which experts say is actually significant), it's a small sacrifice. If they required rectum temperature checks only in addition to a 20 minute rapid test just to fill your car up with gas, then I can understand the outrage.
If they can get you to think like that, their job is done.
....and they have.

You can do more.
You can invest in some space suit type deal and wear it.

My safety depends on you doing more.

Also wear some sort of diaper so that your flatulent is not so risky for your fellow man.

There is so much more YOU COULD DO to help ease or minds and cut risk.
The small things I mentioned are a small sacrifice you could make.
 
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