What is your take on the whole Trump religious phenomenon?

LightLoveHope · Mar 13, 2018

I have to say I am shocked.

Rhodesia which became Zimbabwe went from a successful booming country to total
collapse because of this anti-racism and hatred of whites.

You do not remove aparthid by stealing everything from white people that is just another
form of racism. You look at the resources, and who runs it best and how you want your
future to be. If one is worried about who controls what, tax it, and incentivise the
groups to run it better if they can.

Nigeria is such a corrupt country but also very rich. And the corruption is African.
When will africans stop blaming racism for their failures and start to own injustice and
evil done by african groups and bring law and order to bare.

Nehemiah6 · Mar 13, 2018

prove-all said:

This was a brilliant move by Trump to take the wind out of the sails of the Democrats. As you know what happened subsequently, the Democrats rejected this offer, and now DACA is essentially dead. That's why the activists are now going after the Democrats. Since Trump knows that his base would never accept this concession (1.8 million), he will develop a more realistic policy to deal with these illegals.

prove-all · Mar 13, 2018

LightLoveHope said:

Even if the government does not begin confiscating white-owned land like Zimbabwe
began doing in 2000, with disastrous results, the inflammatory rhetoric used by South
African politicians will move people to violence.

According to a paper by Wandile Sihlobo, Theo Boshoff and Sifiso Ntombela,
researchers at the Agricultural Business Chamber, there is a threat that
people will start taking the matter of land ownership into their own hands.

“In this scenario, a lack of clarity on what is meant by statements such as
‘taking the land back’ could prompt citizens to disregard the rule of law,”
they wrote. “As a result, incidents of illegal land occupation will escalate,
coupled with farm invasions, subsequently making the agricultural sector
nonfunctional and unproductive.

Aside from human rights violations becoming commonplace, employment will
decline, production will fade, and imports will rise, leading to high levels of food
insecurity. Strong reliance on imported food could be risky for the country ….”

According to the Transvaal Agricultural Union, 1,848 people have been murdered
in farm attacks between 1998 and 2016. And the murder rate is escalating.
https://agbiz.co.za/uploads/AgbizNews18/EXPROPRIATION_WITHOUT_COMPENSATION_DEBATE.pdf

The rhetoric coming from the anc, the eff and the Communist Party
will make this problem worse.
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Should we be shocked, we have strong dictators rising all over the world.

The Prophet Ezekiel describes as our time in grisly detail: “Make a chain: for
the land is full of bloody crimes, and the city is full of violence. Wherefore
I will bring the worst of the heathen, and they shall possess their houses …”
(Ezekiel 7:23-24).

prove-all · Mar 13, 2018

Religious phenomenons ? Heres one.

Adolf Hitler was 17 years old, a radical change occurred in his life.
A friend close to Hitler was deeply shaken one day by his voice.

In his book called "The Psychopathic God" Robert G.L. Waite wrote: ‘It was
as if another being spoke out of his body, and moved him as much as it did me.

Now he saw himself, like Rienzi, as the messiah of his people.
He spoke of a ‘mandate which, one day, he would receive from
the people to lead them out of servitude to the heights of freedom.

-In 1926 Hitler said, “Christ was the greatest early fighter in the battle
against the world enemy, the Jews …. The work that Christ started but
could not finish, I—Adolf Hitler—will conclude”(John Toland, Adolf Hitler).

His Holiness welcomed Hitler’s representative, Franz von Papen,
most graciously and remarked how pleased he was that the German
government now had at its head a man uncompromisingly opposed to
communism and Russian nihilism in all its forms.

“The Vatican was so appreciative of being recognized as a full partner
that it asked God to bless the Reich. On a more practical level, it ordered
German bishops to swear allegiance to the National Socialist regime.

‘In the performance of my spiritual office and in my solicitude for
the welfare and the interest of the German Reich, I will endeavor
to avoid all detrimental acts which might endanger it’”
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In 1938, Hitler had brought the insignia of Charlemagne’s First Reich, the
imperial crown, the orb of empire, the scepter and the imperial sword from
Vienna to Nuremberg. Hitler gave his most “inspired” speeches at the frenzied,
torch-lit meetings in there.

Charlemagne was crowned emperor of the Holy Roman Empire in a.d. 800
Hitler considered the Jew to be the devil personified.

In the Pasewalk Hospital, 1918-1919 that Hitler said (Waite, op. cit.) He was
the leader sent by destiny. He must answer the ‘voices’ that he said he heard

The voices told him to rescue his Motherland from the Jews who had violated her” .

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After a speech at the Reichstag, an English observer,Maj. Francis Yeats
Brown, said this about Hitler: “Duringthe rhetorical passages his voice
mounted to the pitch of delirium: He was a man transformed and possessed.

We were in the presence of a miracle” It was a supernatural miracle!
Hitler was a “possessed” man.(Toland, op. cit.).

Observers saw his “domineering manner” and noticed a “new phenomenon has entered
the room.”, this is the same thing people said about being in [Obamas presence].
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A couple of bible verses talk of this phenomenon

“Then shall his mind change, and he shall passover, and offend,
imputing this his power unto his god.” Habakkuk 1:11

He will have a “fierce countenance”and compelling, gripping, frightening, hypnotic eyes!

prove-all · Mar 13, 2018

If only most people knew what the symbols of the 'hands' represented'!!!

Dem said:

In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision [made without hands],
by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,
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"You watched while a stone was cut out without hands, which struck
the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces".

-The world-ruling kingdoms, represented by the great image in Daniel 2,
all ruled over people here on Earth. And so will God’s Kingdom!

“And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom,
which shall never be destroyed …” .

“… and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break
in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.”

- “All these kingdoms” refers to those four world-ruling kingdoms represented
by the great image. In other words, the kingdoms, or governments, of this world
will be consumed and replaced by the Kingdom of God.

“Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces
together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind
carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the
image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.”

God’s Kingdom, led by Christ as King, will become a great mountain,
“which shall never be destroyed” And the Saints with Him.

Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the
second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ,
and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

So He said to them, “When you pray, say: Our Father in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come.
Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven.

kaylagrl · Mar 13, 2018

louis said:

Maher is laughing at Christians all the time,its his job. Without us he doesn't have a job. I don't have a problem defending Trump for a few reasons.First I don't believe Trump is evangelical,I think he may have the head knowledge but not the heart knowledge. So whatever he does is the same as anyone else outside the understanding of being born again. I'd consider him what I'd call a nominal Christian. I believe Pence is born again and I have no doubt he is a witness to Trump. Who knows that before his time at the White House is up he may just be born again,wouldn't that be wonderful?

Secondly as we saw from the "me too" movement that these liberals that were skewering Trump had skeletons in their own closet. It makes me laugh when libs suddenly get all moral and try to call out Christians. They were scraveling to get rid of these guys as fast as they could. Poor ol' Franken became their sacrificial lamb.They tossed him out on his tail so fast his head was still spinning. rofl.

Lastly the thing I find really hilarious is that had Trump run as a Dem you would have not heard a word or a fart about his past. You wouldn't hear a word about racism. They'd be singing his praises from the rooftops!! None of this came out until he decided to run for office,he won and the libs are mad enough to kill. So when Dems call me a hypocrite for supporting Trump I say "back at ya"! No one had an issue with Trump until he won the WH as a Republican. Hollywood kissed his ring,came on his tv show,schmoozed with him in Mar-a-lago. Now suddenly he's a racist,sexist,woremogering,liar. Well they should know,as we use to say as kids "it takes one to know one". Their slip is showing and they haven't got the sense to know it.

oldethennew · Mar 13, 2018

at some level, it is all crooked and corrupt, it was obvious to me at a very early age,
unlike my wife, who is an 'ex-la-la-lander'...but NOT now!!!
'so, everyone, pick your battles carefully and put your hearts into it and not your emotions, -
or who you think that you can 'trust', for this world is so very wicked - and now, more than ever
it is flaunted right in front of the faces of the people of this planet, but alas, most are to busy and
pre-occupied with you know 'who's distractions, and for those of us who can see,
and no longer partake, those distractions are very much the controlling factors that
play-out in people's daily lives...

kaylagrl · Mar 13, 2018

Thank you for the comment,you're a blessing,you know who you are

oldethennew · Mar 13, 2018

YOU and a very few others are a special BLESSING, and we have no inhibition to proclaim this
to the world of those who can receive and understand...

it's not a matter of agreement or likes or dislikes, total agreement of dis-agreement,
it is a matter of discerning another's precious 'hearts'...
'for out of the mouth proceeds the abundance of the HEART'...

prove-all · Mar 13, 2018

Dem said:

Amen, but there is a couple more things, like Speaking evil of Dignities, should we?
Did Jesus or the Angeles, or King David and the apostles?

Jesus Christ showed respect to every human ruler He came into contact with,
not because of the men [only], but because of the offices they held.
He didn’t even [rail against those] who murdered Him.

In ancient Israel, King Saul’s agenda was to murder David, but he still knew it would
be wrong to kill King Saul when the opportunity came, instead cutting off only a small
piece of his robe (1 Samuel 24:3-4).

Even that turned out to be more than the future king could stomach (verse 5).
King Saul was no longer in favor with God, prophesied to lose his office, and chasing David
himself like a wild animal for slaughter. Still, David’s respect for King Saul’s God-ordained
office came first: “The Lord forbid that I should do this thing unto my master, the Lord’s
anointed, to stretch forth mine hand against him, seeing he is the anointed of the Lord” .

Jude 8-10
warns about speaking evil of dignities, pointing out that the archangel Michael, while conten-
ding with Satan for Moses’s body, “durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said,

The Lord rebuke thee. But these [speak evil] of those things which they know not: but what
they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things [they corrupt themselves].”
That was talking about the most evil being ever to exist.

The Apostle Paul wrote: “For there is [no authority] except from God, and those that exist have
been instituted by God. Therefore he who resists the authorities resist what God has appointed ”
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We may have elections, but no man takes office without God allowing him to do so.
Proverbs 16:33 The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the Lord.
cf: Lev 16:8,Ex 28:30, Lev 8:8, Num 27:21, Deut 33:8, 1 Sam 14:41-42, 28:6, Num 26:55 ...

Act 1:24-Matthias was chosen by lot. Notice the context...
God made the choice, the lot was the instrument God used to reveal His will.

So We may throw the dice or have elections, but the Lord determines how they fall.
But God will give the people what they deserver, or by purpuse or desire-
We the people , and the sharp down grade of morals that is bringing this country down.

The spirit of rebellion against those in office comes from Satan. He expressed his own
desire to overthrow God’s government. No human leader has ever led a perfect government.
God does not sanction abusive leadership, but He will judge those men—[not us].

Our respect for their offices—our respect for the God who allows them to hold their offices!
Should we follow the marches and chanting, and descend into speaking evil of dignities?

The next time you read a news source slamming one of this world’s leaders, ask yourself
what the intent is. The United States was built on freedom of speech, and every man should
have a voice—especially as we see the American economy systematically dismantled and
society collapsing morally. But there is a difference between simply exposing a wrong agenda
and disrespecting a dignitary—something a true Christian should never do.

Do the news sources you use deliberately strip President Obama’s or Trumps title as
a means of removing the dignity of his office? Do they mock him with cartoons and use
the worst images of him they can find?

Rather than join in with a show of disrespect, honor the highest office in the country—
the president of the United States—or any others leaders over you by attacking sin,
not the sinner, just as Jesus Christ would.
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Did Jesus say we can break the laws of the land?
Do you know Jesus even favored capital punishment ?

But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain;
for he is God’s minister, an AVENGER TO EXECUTE WRATH on him who practices evil”

Nehemiah6 · Mar 13, 2018

louis said:

Why would anyone with any sense watch this guy and his foolish rants? As Trump just said to a large crowd -- Shut off all the Fake News. Now Kimmel has realized that his Left-Liberal rants are hurting his pocketbook. Ignore Kimmel and all these morons who are allowed to air their foolishness.

oldethennew · Mar 14, 2018

True Christians,

Ignore the world and whom satan elects to bring down the fall and destruction of what
you call your 'home-land' - civil war will soon erupt and unless your are called 'out' and
elected', you will die in the deceptive war-fare - Live for Christ and Serve Him until death
do you part...He has made a place for most of His elect, be prepared, for no man can escape
the devastation that is coming to the u.s.a., except that they are called and chosen and led to go to
His Land of safety, while the purging continues to go on...

louis · Mar 14, 2018

kaylagrl said:

Maher is laughing at Christians all the time,its his job. Without us he doesn't have a job. I don't have a problem defending Trump for a few reasons.First I don't believe Trump is evangelical,I think he may have the head knowledge but not the heart knowledge. So whatever he does is the same as anyone else outside the understanding of being born again. I'd consider him what I'd call a nominal Christian. I believe Pence is born again and I have no doubt he is a witness to Trump. Who knows that before his time at the White House is up he may just be born again,wouldn't that be wonderful?

Secondly as we saw from the "me too" movement that these liberals that were skewering Trump had skeletons in their own closet. It makes me laugh when libs suddenly get all moral and try to call out Christians. They were scraveling to get rid of these guys as fast as they could. Poor ol' Franken became their sacrificial lamb.They tossed him out on his tail so fast his head was still spinning. rofl.

Lastly the thing I find really hilarious is that had Trump run as a Dem you would have not heard a word or a fart about his past. You wouldn't hear a word about racism. They'd be singing his praises from the rooftops!! None of this came out until he decided to run for office,he won and the libs are mad enough to kill. So when Dems call me a hypocrite for supporting Trump I say "back at ya"! No one had an issue with Trump until he won the WH as a Republican. Hollywood kissed his ring,came on his tv show,schmoozed with him in Mar-a-lago. Now suddenly he's a racist,sexist,woremogering,liar. Well they should know,as we use to say as kids "it takes one to know one". Their slip is showing and they haven't got the sense to know it.

Maher and other atheists are laughing at evangelicals, because they see that these evangelicals who support all of Trumps doings do not believe in what they preach, such as Truth, and Morality.
These evangelicals faith in what Christ believes is mere show.

kaylagrl · Mar 14, 2018

louis said:

Nope,not true at all. Maher mocks Christians because thats what he does. Although he does seem to be smart enough to understand the difference between Christians and Muslims,so I give him a point for that. When Clinton did his cigar trick in the WH I remember so many Americans saying that what he did in his personal life was his own business and it had no bearing on the job he was doing as president. So they have no right to say anything now. As I said before,Dems are not mad that Trump is failing,they're mad that he is succeeding. Had he run as a Dem they couldn't sing his praises high enough. Funny how progressives support gay marriage,abortion,illegal criminals and then get on their moral high horse over Trump. The vast majority of Christians voted for Trump because they could not vote for Hillary who supported abortion at any age. That alone deterred Christians from voting for her.The left is full of hypocrites,they all loved Trump till he won the WH as a Republican.

louis · Mar 14, 2018

prove-all said:

You are correct that we should not speak evil of kings and dignitaries, as they are appointed/allowed by the Lord to reign.
As Saul was appointed/allowed to reign, so too were Nero, Stalin, Hitler, appointed/allowed to reign by the Lord.
In the near future, the antichrist and fourth beast, will also be allowed/appointed to reign by the Lord (Dan 7:25).
But just because all these entities have been or will be allowed/appointed to reign by the Lord, does not mean the Lord approves of them.
What all these entities have in common is that the Lord has given Satan limited control over who will govern (Luke 4:6), within the parameters of mankinds own choosing, where mankind not welcoming the truth, instead chooses the lies from the world Satan provides (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12).
In short, it is wise for all true believers in Christs faith, of love, truth, and justice, to not participate in the politics of the world, as they all are part of Satan's current world, as will be when Satan makes his last stand through the beast and Antichrist when he vests them with his power from the sea.

Daniel 7:25 [FONT=&quot]And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time[/FONT][FONT=&quot].

[/FONT]Luke 4:6 [FONT=&quot]And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it[/FONT][FONT=&quot].

[/FONT]2 Thessalonians 2:9 [FONT=&quot]Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,[/FONT][FONT=&quot]10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.[/FONT]

louis · Mar 14, 2018

kaylagrl said:

I am well aware that Maher mocks Christians due to his doubting of a supreme being; but he is laughing at the hypocrisy of the evangelicals who are supporting all of Trumps actions which are contrary to Christs faith in love, truth, and justice.
When you say you believe in one thing, but then support another, you are either a hypocrite, or a fool, or both.
Put yourself in the place of someone who is unsure of the faith in Christ, as you and I would have been before learning of Christ; ....now imagine yourself hearing of all these evangelicals supporting someone who does everything contrary to Christian faith; how does that make for anyone to have a genuine faith in Christ through those kind of examples?
Answer is, it does not promote true faith in Christs faith; it only produces faith in a political stance.

kaylagrl · Mar 14, 2018

louis said:

Trump is a president,not a pastor. I travel in evangelical circles as I have family members in the ministry. None of them agree with everything Trump says and does. Being Republican does not mean that one is a Christian necessarily. As I said,and the circles I travel in tend to agree that Trump is a nominal Christian. He is not evangelical and I don't expect him to act like it because as of now I don't believe he understands what being born again means. I don't see where evangelicals think Trump is right in everything. Clinton claimed to a Christian and a lot of Christians supported him and his wife running for office,does that make them hypocrites? Again,Maher is a hypocrite himself. Progressives support people like Farrakhan then turn around and call us hypocrites. Ridiculous. Maher is like every other tv host,making a living on bashing anything Christians do. They did it before Trump,they'll do it after Trump. Its sport for them,it keeps them in business. Trump has come against abortion,spoke at the right to life rally,he's moving the embassy to Jerusalem, he's getting tough on illegals. So far so good.I hope he becomes born again,that ought to be our prayer as Christians.We are suppose to pray for our leaders.

louis · Mar 14, 2018

Nehemiah6 said:

Though, Maher is an atheist, he is not a fool with foolish rants. He is also rather impartial in regards to politics, having both Republicans and Democrats make their points on his show.

louis · Mar 14, 2018

This thread is in regards to the Trump religious phenomena, which I believe evangelists unwavering support for Trump clearly fits.

shittim · Mar 14, 2018

My life has become so much better without any of the inane babble that comes from TV, not to mention
the dollar savings as I no longer pay to have anti-christ teaching brought into the home.
There is no "trump religious phenomena", a trolling label for sure.
blessings

What is your take on the whole Trump religious phenomenon?

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