Virginia pastor who defiantly held church service dies of coronavirus

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Moses_Young said:
True, but glass shards and fire are verified risks, this virus is not. There is no such thing as the monster who lives under the bed. Your child may say you are reckless for not bothering to check under the bed (or for checking under the bed, depending on his persuasion), but it doesn't matter, as there is no such thing as monsters (and there is no scientific proof a coronavirus is responsible for any deaths, let alone spreading from someone to someone else). This coronavirus is just a bogeyman made up to sieze world-control, and possibly to shift the blame for the deaths caused by the 5G towers which are popping up everywhere (so 5G is essential, but basic employment is not?)

I've read somewhere (not sure about this) it can take up to 6 months for the effects of 5G to take hold, so perhaps all those hospitals and morgues they've been building will start to fill up after a few months longer in lockdown?
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That's an interesting theory, but I have numerous problems with it and I think it has flaws.

If covid-19 and 5G are in any way connected then it would be for the purpose of a worldwide experiment. They could want to see how obedient people are with following orders and taking a mandatory vaccine. If that goes well, they they could get bolder and suggest all sorts of other things like maybe "we are digitizing the economy using 5G because it's more efficient than paper because paper money has viruses on it. You have a year to get ready then you will be required to get an implant that enables you to use digital currency. You will be healthier, safer, and more efficient this way. Without this you are a threat to society and may not participate in the economy."
 
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Jackson123 said:
To my knowledge a faith in Jesus is require for Christian but faith Example believe that God Will protect us from virus is little different, It require to close to Him and know for sure that It is His Will to protect us from virus. In the bible we read God not protect Stephen and let jews kill him. He knows the best for Stephen and for this pastor.
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Uh,no
GOD DOES NOT KILL PASTORS
NOR STEPHEN.
 
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tanakh said:
So its all a fiendish Chinese plot. Lets get it straight The Chinese want to destroy the USA so they let loose a virus that kills and infects
millions of their own people and the of the rest of the world. Whatever else one thinks about the Chinese they are not stupid. If they
wanted to use Corona against any country they would only need to send some Chinese ''Tourists'' through customs and infect the population that way without loosing one single Chinese citizen. I do think there is a possibility that it was created as a biological
weapon and somehow escaped from a lab but there is no hard evidence and its unlikely that there ever will be any.
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Oh wow.
I took back my thumbs up after I reread you post.

Yes it is bio warfare.
No brainer.
 
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tanakh said:
I have just heard that Trump proposes to allow up to thirty states to end restrictions. May God help you all
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It is not God for the army of God to cower in brick and 2x4 houses afraid to defy the punk little demon of corona.

A chihuahua has a lion cornered in their houses in fear.
I refuse to sit up to that table.
 
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Oh wow.
I took back my thumbs up after I reread you post.

Yes it is bio warfare.
No brainer.
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Its your choice what you do with your thumbs. I said it was a possibility not a certainty. Do you have some information that
world intelligence organisations would find useful? If so you share it with them.
 
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tanakh said:
So its all a fiendish Chinese plot. Lets get it straight The Chinese want to destroy the USA so they let loose a virus that kills and infects
millions of their own people and the of the rest of the world. Whatever else one thinks about the Chinese they are not stupid. If they
wanted to use Corona against any country they would only need to send some Chinese ''Tourists'' through customs and infect the population that way without loosing one single Chinese citizen. I do think there is a possibility that it was created as a biological
weapon and somehow escaped from a lab but there is no hard evidence and its unlikely that there ever will be any.
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For your information, the Japanese once invaded China in 1937. This was their second war. When the army was below the levees of the Yellow River, the Chinese broke the levees and killed the Japanese, below. They also killed 800K Chinese at the same time. The Chinese army had also done this in 1129 & 1642 AD.

So yes, the Chinese have been killing their own people for 900 years. I have no doubt the CCP could care less about infecting their own population, if it accomplished their purposes. Try not to read into what the Chinese leadership would or would not do, if you know nothing of their history and culture. These are not western Christians in power. They are atheist communists, and for them, killing their own people might be smart thing to do, given Chinese history!
 
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Really sad. It's one thing if he chooses to defy the stay at home order, however influencing other church members to do as a test of faith doesn't seem right.
 
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It is sad that anyone has to die. Thoughts and prayers for all the families and currant folks that have lost loved ones to the virus and are fighting the virus right now. My heart just wants to hug them all.
 
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Well - the Devil doesn't win if we are saved. (from a personal perspective - not the grand scheme - obviously God wins in the end and those who are his win by association)

But if you are an unbeliever and you DIE then the devil won - in your particular case.
As a Christian if I die of this virus I still win. There is no loosing with Christ as Lord.

BUT if I go out and about with the virus and infect people - or I go out and about and pick it up and bring it to my roomie who has plenty of health conditions - then I am reckless.

I pray for healing - and pray for people to be healed - but I don't know about you all - I have not necessarily seen many healing miracles. I know they happen - I know the Lord has healed me. But I also know that for the bigger part of my life I was very very sick without healing and I prayed every day for healing. And I had super "healers" pray over me and it did not work - and I would act on faith so much that I nearly died because I would stubbornly refuse to seek a doctor - because the "Symptoms" were not real.

But sometimes - we are sick. Sometimes we are allowed to die from sickness. So where is the line?

There is probably no right or wrong answer - only that we do things according to our faith. And according to what we feel the Lord is leading us to do. And we should keep peoples best interest in our minds...

Is that wrong?
 
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JesusLives said:
It is sad that anyone has to die. Thoughts and prayers for all the families and currant folks that have lost loved ones to the virus and are fighting the virus right now. My heart just wants to hug them all.
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Always the Peace maker! Hello there <3
 
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Heart_Melody said:
BUT if I go out and about with the virus and infect people - or I go out and about and pick it up and bring it to my roomie who has plenty of health conditions - then I am reckless.
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But who told you that you had a virus, and who told you that it was infectious, and who told you that the virus was dangerous? And what proof did he have? If the virus isn't dangerous, or if it is not infectious, or if there is no virus, it's not reckless for you (or anyone else) to go out, and your roomie is safe from being infected by you.

If there is a virus, and it is infectious, and it is dangerous, let's see the scientific proof. Otherwise, the coronavirus fairy story is no more reliable than the tall tale of evolutionism.
 
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I am very proud of the pastor for standing up and dying for what he believes in. I don't know for sure whether he was rightly guided, but not for me to judge--those who are not against us are for us (Luke 9:50). Honor the Sabbath and keep it holy: that is one of the Ten Commandments. Some feel that can be done in small groups and online; some don't.

However, if we are to defy the virus, I do believe it important to acknowledge the seriousness of the disease, and its ability to spread. We should not worship out of a sense of minimizing or dismissing the virus' deadliness: but of a sense of God's supreme power over it. The virus is powerful, but God is more powerful. If God chooses to stop its spread, then it stops spreading. If God chooses to cure it, then it is cured. As Shadrach, Meshach, and Abnego said, "If our God exists, then He is able to deliver us from the blazing furnace. But if He does not, we still will not bow down before the idol you created." (Daniel 3)
 
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Socreta93 said:
An evangelical pastor has reportedly died of COVID-19 just weeks after attending a packed service at his Virginia church and vowed to keep preaching saying “unless I’m in jail or the hospital.”

An evangelical pastor has reportedly died of COVID-19 just weeks after attending a packed service at his Virginia church and vowed to keep preaching saying “unless I’m in jail or the hospital.” According to the New York Post, In his last known in-person service on March 22, Bishop Gerald O.
Glenn got his congregation at Richmond’s New Deliverance Evangelistic Church to stand to prove how many were there despite warnings against gatherings of more than 10 people. “I firmly believe that God is larger than this dreaded virus”.

You can quote me on that,” he said, repeating it a second time to claps, saying that “people are healed” in his church. The Bishop announced he was being “controversial” by being “in violation” of safety protocols — with “way more than 10 people” at the church — he vowed to keep his church open “unless I’m in jail or the hospital.”

“I am essential,” he said of remaining open, adding, “I’m a preacher — I talk to God!” This past Sunday, his church sadly announced “with an exceedingly sorrowful and heavy heart” that the pastor had died a week after being diagnosed with COVID-19. His wife, Marcietia Glenn, is also sick with the bug, with church members offering their prayers.

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Pride goes before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
 
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I think that it can be seen either way: as a man who foolishly went against the government’s suggestions, or a man who was willing to risk his health to keep preaching the gospel.

I’m not really sure which one is correct, but I’m sad he passed nonetheless.
 
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Moses_Young said:
You don't believe the more serious cases are due to simple poisoning from 5G radiation? (Some say it can take up to 6 months of being irradiated for the symptoms to show up). Lumped in with the cases of seasonal cold and flu, and false positives from this "virus test" the designer said was never to be used for testing for viruses?
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Yep, tester may more harm than the virus itself
 
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Moses_Young said:
But who told you that you had a virus, and who told you that it was infectious, and who told you that the virus was dangerous? And what proof did he have? If the virus isn't dangerous, or if it is not infectious, or if there is no virus, it's not reckless for you (or anyone else) to go out, and your roomie is safe from being infected by you.

If there is a virus, and it is infectious, and it is dangerous, let's see the scientific proof. Otherwise, the coronavirus fairy story is no more reliable than the tall tale of evolutionism.
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I like this guy. I remember someone reported in a previous post they didn't like his swearing, but the video I watched, he wasn't swearing. Apparently, in the UK, it has now been made illegal to link "5G" with "coronavirus" symptoms, so every time he mentioned "5G", the word was bleeped out to comply with the UK censorship laws. Lol. Pretty sad, huh?

Why would such a view be censored, whilst all manner of other conspiracy theories be allowed, if it weren't true that the more serious "coronavirus" cases and 5G are linked?
 
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