Trump’s Order Blocks Immigrants at Airports

[maxwel]

I said you were slamming lawyers. Which is what you did. Now go play your deflection games with someone else.

You've managed, AGAIN, to make another post simply accusing me of something with a very broad brush...
while being careful to avoid anything I actually said.

You never brought up specific quotes of what I actually said... which you could easily have done.



Who's deflecting?



If you want to throw rocks, you need to throw rocks at what I actually said.
If you choose not to do that, then you're being dishonest.

Since, in another thread, you seem to be talking about specifics of the law as if you're an attorney...
I think we've found the problem.

 

[Susanna]

You've managed, AGAIN, to make another post simply accusing me of something with a very broad brush...
while being careful to avoid anything I actually said.

You never brought up specific quotes of what I actually said... which you could easily have done.



Who's deflecting?



If you want to throw rocks, you need to throw rocks at what I actually said.
If you choose not to do that, then you're being dishonest.

Since, in another thread, you seem to be talking about specifics of the law as if you're an attorney...
I think we've found the problem.

I'm not an attorney. I'm just a middle aged lady trying to get by doing blue collar work while you're sitting in your fancy office twisting words.

 

[maxwel]

I'm not an attorney. I'm just a middle aged lady trying to get by doing blue collar work while you're sitting in your fancy office twisting words.

Well if you're not an attorney, then I like you better already!


Alright, how about we call a truce?

I have no bone to pick with you,
so how about we just call it a day?


I'll even try to be nice.
I can't guarantee I'll be successful... but I'll give it a real try.

Deal?


(If you agree to the above terms I'll send you a contract, which will need to be returned with 48 hours or it becomes void in Wisconsin, New Hampshire, and Delaware.)

 

[Susanna]

Well if you're not an attorney, then I like you better already!


Alright, how about we call a truce?

I have no bone to pick with you,
so how about we just call it a day?


I'll even try to be nice.
I can't guarantee I'll be successful... but I'll give it a real try.

Deal?


(If you agree to the above terms I'll send you a contract, which will need to be returned with 48 hours or it becomes void in Wisconsin, New Hampshire, and Delaware.)

Good. But you don't have to be nice. I'm rarely ever nice.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I just remembered someone who is trying to convert me into Islam said that Paul is a liar because he was a lawyer. But Paul already repented. Of course lawyers must learn how to lie, if not how can they win the case of a possibly guilty client if they are not well equipped.

I understand what you are saying but maxwel used the word "verifiable" do you know what that words means?It means undeniable proof can be offered/shown but all I see Is hearsay.

They do the same thing when President Trump talks like that and then say It was figurative speech.

 

[hornetguy]

I'm not an attorney. I'm just a middle aged lady trying to get by doing blue collar work while you're sitting in your fancy office twisting words.

Wait..... Max has a fancy office???? How the heck did he rate THAT??

Did he play the Cyclops card?

 

[dcontroversal]

Oh I wasn't denigrating the USA.

You might be right- that I was wrong - clearly I didn't know that having attributes like "a flat nose and large lips typical of N-Word " could keep someone out of the public office.

Given that we were discussing genetic predispositions, I was merely wondering in the same vein, if maybe the "white American" gene pool can't produce enough smart people to build and operate their own computer networks?

Or maybe the White American Gene pool is smart enough and rich enough to pay the lower caste to do the work......

DISCLAIMER....obviously I am not racist....and just making a point.....color is irrelevant, a secular education and a degree or three mean nothing.....at the end of the day!

 

[Utah]

I'm rarely ever nice.

Noooooooooooo! Really?

 

[Trailblazer]

You act as if there was no law. They were vetted already. They have visa, green cards, etc. These are LEGAL aliens. He just did the same blasted thing Obama did -- created new law without legislators.

There are a few laws on the books that allow the President to stop immigration for protection of the American people. Iranians were blocked and deported when Iran held American captive in the Carter days. Them 7 country's that Obama deemed as terrorist hotbeds. There is no paper trail for immigrants in them country's.

Obama also blocked immigration. Main stream news does not cover this. When Obama had the US troops pull out of the middle east, (against the advise of his advisers) This is when ISIS came into power. Bush warned of this many years ago.

ISIS then went on a military land grab taking over city's. ISIS now have the machines that make the Visa cards. ISIS is now making 1000's of false Visa's. Not forged, But the real deal. Christian Radio is good for true news sources also.

Vetting without any background paperwork?.... Even with paperwork. Guess we ask! .....Do you believe that killing Americans, infidels, or anyone who is not willing to pledge allegiance to ALLAH must die? Do you believe blowing yourself up, or being killed yourself to kill Non Muslims is the only sure way to please ALLAH, and make it to heaven?

Vetting for this ideology or mindset? Good luck. There is also the issue! Believing in American laws and values. In the middle east. Women not being allowed an education? to drive? Beaten to submission by their husbands? Trump put a 90 day temporary hold on immigration from 7 dangerous terrorist country's. Inconvenience a few while finding a better way to keep America citizens safe. Does not sound unreasonable to me.

Protesters caused more delays and missed flights then Trumps policy. Main stream news does not cover the wrong doings of their professionally paid protestor puppets.

 

[Depleted]

Which of the two stories you posted as being the correct one are we supposed to take as the truth? Maybe neither of them?

You are the person who posted two directly conflicting stories..... not one of us.

Which have you ignored, since I posted three?

And this is asinine. Kind of like asking, "Which of the four gospels is the correct one that we're we supposed to take as the truth? Maybe none of them?" Can you figure out that one, because the same thing is happening in all THREE stories posted.

It's a complete story with a beginning, middle, and end. They all fit perfectly together, but you've got to hate that because it doesn't fit the fourth you have chosen to champion.

Your sum total for proof and Unh hah. Something more expected by a 7 year old than a 70 year old.

 

[Susanna]

Noooooooooooo! Really?

This post almost made me smile.

 

[peacenik]

Hiding behind your memes actually weakens your position.

So does lying.

Hiding {chuckle}.


By the way, still waiting for that "proof".

 

[peacenik]

Back on topic:



Donald Trump will not be allowed to address Parliament on UK state visit, Speaker John Bercow says

MPs break into spontaneous applause as Speaker says he will not permit the President to address Westminster Hall














Donald Trump will not be allowed to address Parliament on UK state visit, Speaker John Bercow says | The Independent





Donald Trump will not be welcome to address Parliament on his state visit to the UK because of its opposition to racism and to sexism, the Speaker of the House of Commons has said in a major snub to the American President.
In a dramatic intervention, John Bercow, the Speaker, said he was “strongly opposed” to Mr Trump speaking in the Commons as he stressed that being invited to address Parliament was “not an automatic right” but “an earned honour”.

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“Before the imposition of the migrant ban I would myself have been strongly opposed to an address by President Trump in Westminster Hall," Mr Bercow told MPs.
“After the imposition of the migrant ban by President Trump I am even more strongly opposed to an address by President Trump in Westminster Hall.”
Parts of the Commons erupted into rare spontaneous applause in support of Mr Bercow’s statement.
The intervention will cause headaches in Downing Street, where Theresa May has bent over backwards to rekindle the so-called special relationship with the US.
Veteran Labour MP Dennis Skinner, speaking after Mr Bercow’s statement said: “Further to that point of order: two words: well done.”
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The Speaker said: “We value our relationship with the United States. If a state visit takes place, that is way beyond and above the pay grade of the Speaker.
“However, as far as this place is concerned I feel very strongly that our opposition to racism and to sexism and our support for equality before the law and an independent judiciary are hugely important considerations in the House of Commons.”
Theresa May invited Mr Trump to make a state visit to the UK on her recent trip to the United States. She said he would fly to Britain before the end of the year.
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn and others have said that the visit should be cancelled until Mr Trump rescinds his “Muslim ban” on travellers from some countries.
Whether the controversial president would address Parliament has been a particular source of contention. Foreign leaders on state visits sometimes address Westminster Hall, which lies in the House of Commons, or Royal Gallery in the House of Lords.
Mr Trump’s visit is fast emerging as a political minefield. His team are reportedly hoping avoid any meeting with Prince Charles, whose environmental campaigning might put him at odds with the president.







And the Speaker has the support of much of the British populace and politicians. Kudos to all of them.

 

[peacenik]

​ So here's the difference. Blocking the Jews was antisemitism,it was wrong. What we are talking about is thousands of refugees with no records and ISIS which has said they will hide among the refugees and infiltrate other countries. No one has said no,they are saying wait until we can be sure of who is coming into the country. Apples and oranges from the Jews. We have refugees in Germany and you cant get mace there because women are being assaulted and raped.They have kicked them out of Sweden. The Jews were peaceful and did harm to no one. They did not expect the law to change for them like Muslims trying to push Sharia Law here and in Canada. So not the same situation at all.

A study of history would dispel such notions:




Donald Trump’s refugee policy is compared to the Nazi persecution of Anne Frank | The Independent




“Jews were viewed as harbingers of dangerous ideologies, particularly communism and anarchism. “There were pronounced fears that fifth columnists and spies would infiltrate the country through the tide of refugees fleeing fascist Europe.”


Precisely the same claims were made about Jews back then as are being made about Muslims today.

 

[Sirk]

A study of history would dispel such notions:




Donald Trump’s refugee policy is compared to the Nazi persecution of Anne Frank | The Independent




“Jews were viewed as harbingers of dangerous ideologies, particularly communism and anarchism. “There were pronounced fears that fifth columnists and spies would infiltrate the country through the tide of refugees fleeing fascist Europe.”


Precisely the same claims were made about Jews back then as are being made about Muslims today.

were they also claiming the jews were mass murdering innocent civilians? Mutilating womens body parts.....marrying children?

 

[Utah]

This post almost made me smile.

Hmmm, seems I'm gonna have to work much harder at making you flex those facial muscles in an upright position.

 

[Rachel20]

Or maybe the White American Gene pool is smart enough and rich enough to pay the lower caste to do the work......

I am just stating facts – from recent studies that you can read about here -

US adults are dumber than the average human

Americans are dumber than average at math vocabulary and technology

Most of Silicon Valley is run by immigrants (heads of tech companies from Google to Microsoft are not US citizens).

http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/11/...migration-silicon-valley-innovation-h1b-visas

Can most Americans really afford to pay the salary of most H1 B visa workers?
A quick pull up of the data shows their median salary is above $100K. Double the salary of average Americans.

H1B salaries



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Since many of the posters have nonchalantly talked about the inherent racism in Americans that they seem to encounter, which I disagree with, because I’ve met plenty of Americans who aren’t like that and who are also highly educated.

So maybe there is a correlation between racist Americans (& Canadians) and their stupidity.

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DISCLAIMER....obviously I am not racist....and just making a point.....color is irrelevant, a secular education and a degree or three mean nothing.....at the end of the day!

You are not a racist but you’re a caste-ist? How sick. Maybe you should educate yourself about the Indo-Aryan civilization right up to the history and start of Nazism and anti Semitism.

Maybe that would help you from making such ignorant comments – but then again from what research shows, maybe there’s no hope for improvement for you !

 

[Rachel20]

I was going to earn my chemical engineering degree but was called in to the ministry. Your self righteous racism is adorable. What else would you like to discuss.

I am sorry, do you want some congratulations for a degree you don’t have? Or, maybe some sort of participation/consolation certificate?

The only one being self righteous is you by plugging in the fact you have a “ministry”.

Lots of people do – and in fact many of them have completed their education, gotten their degrees and at the same time have gone on to have extremely fruitful ministries for God.

The only thing you seem to do is post a lot on the internet about political trifle.

The sad thing is – that’s actually all you have to look forward to in life.

PS - I don’t have anything more to discuss – I have a really busy schedule.

 

[JosephsDreams]

Or maybe the White American Gene pool is smart enough and rich enough to pay the lower caste to do the work......

DISCLAIMER....obviously I am not racist....and just making a point.....color is irrelevant, a secular education and a degree or three mean nothing.....at the end of the day!

So true. Without Jesus none of any of it really means anything.

 

[Rachel20]

JFF:

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