The Greatest depression is coming, are you ready?

[studier]

@EnergyCynic

The uncomfortable question on reshoring to America.

The Rust Belt went from farm to factory to fentanyl. Can it go the other direction?

Or has the hollowing out of education and work ethic through drugs, welfare and idleness made that impossible to achieve in a generation?

Certainly, an interesting consideration. And back to the Biblical adage, if you don't work, then you don't eat. Then another one comes into play, do not steal. Then another one, the authority doesn't bear the sword for nothing.

So, just how far are the leaders of the culture willing to go to reshape the culture after the damage that's been done? And where do the churches come into play to do their part?

So many things in play...

 

[cv5]

Agent Gold

@wayne3165
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Replying to
@TFMetals
ChatGPT question: So is a comex default still a conspiracy theory?

Answer: This possible outcome is no longer in the realm of conspiracy theory—it is an observable, data-driven reality unfolding in real time. The evidence is clear: COMEX and LBMA inventories are declining, major institutions are withdrawing physical metal, and central banks are accumulating gold at record rates. These are not speculative claims; they are quantifiable trends that point to structural instability in the metals market. What was once dismissed as conspiracy—the idea that paper silver is artificially suppressing true price discovery and that the system is at risk of default—has now become an undeniable risk recognized by market insiders. When physical demand overwhelms available supply, price suppression through futures contracts fails, leading to either a controlled restructuring or an uncontrolled collapse. The numbers don’t lie: if withdrawals continue at this pace, COMEX and LBMA will run out of metal, forcing a reckoning that would fundamentally reshape the financial system. This is no longer a question of “if,” but “when.”

 

[ZNP]

Hong Kong Property Prices Plunge 50%, Lowest in 10 Years; Shops Shut, Worst Crisis in 30 Years

 

[ZNP]

They do everything they can to keep people from understanding what is going on

So let's keep things simple.

1. When you borrow money you must pay it back. We all understand that. We also understand what happens if you declare bankruptcy, you destroy your credit and you allow the creditors to come in and take your assets. Also, for the US to lose our credit means we lose the US dollar as the reserve currency. That would be like taking away Kim Kardashian's credit cards. It would be devastating.

2. How much debt is too much? That depends, when I was in HS in the 1970s I would bet on Football games and one weekend I had over $100 wagered on a bunch of games. To me that was a huge amount of money. For a person who makes $100k a year having a $300k mortgage is not that big a deal. Meanwhile a billionaire could have $300 million in debt. The amount of debt is relative to your earning. So if that man making 100k a year had $1 million in debt that would be much more significant. If interest rates were to climb to 10% his yearly interest would equal his income. If interest rates are at 5% he can make the interest payments but doubt he could pay down the principal. This is where the US is right now. We have obligations we must pay out or else it is a default. If we subtract that from annual tax revenues, then our debt is more than 10x that amount. We are on a knife's edge, if interest rates go up then the US is bankrupt.

3. Now imagine you are that guy making 100k a year with $1 million in debt and the banks are calling in their loans. That is what is happening with the price of gold going up 50% in the last 16 months. The people who were loaning the US money are exchanging those bonds for gold. They are all betting the US goes bust and guess what, if you can't get anyone to loan you money you will have to pay a higher interest rate and if you do that you are bankrupt.

 

[studier]

They do everything they can to keep people from understanding what is going on

So let's keep things simple.

1. When you borrow money you must pay it back. We all understand that. We also understand what happens if you declare bankruptcy, you destroy your credit and you allow the creditors to come in and take your assets. Also, for the US to lose our credit means we lose the US dollar as the reserve currency. That would be like taking away Kim Kardashian's credit cards. It would be devastating.

2. How much debt is too much? That depends, when I was in HS in the 1970s I would bet on Football games and one weekend I had over $100 wagered on a bunch of games. To me that was a huge amount of money. For a person who makes $100k a year having a $300k mortgage is not that big a deal. Meanwhile a billionaire could have $300 million in debt. The amount of debt is relative to your earning. So if that man making 100k a year had $1 million in debt that would be much more significant. If interest rates were to climb to 10% his yearly interest would equal his income. If interest rates are at 5% he can make the interest payments but doubt he could pay down the principal. This is where the US is right now. We have obligations we must pay out or else it is a default. If we subtract that from annual tax revenues, then our debt is more than 10x that amount. We are on a knife's edge, if interest rates go up then the US is bankrupt.

3. Now imagine you are that guy making 100k a year with $1 million in debt and the banks are calling in their loans. That is what is happening with the price of gold going up 50% in the last 16 months. The people who were loaning the US money are exchanging those bonds for gold. They are all betting the US goes bust and guess what, if you can't get anyone to loan you money you will have to pay a higher interest rate and if you do that you are bankrupt.

Write it all off and start a new system. What is economics anyway?

 

[Texasgal]

Write it all off and start a new system. What is economics anyway?

I think Venezuela and countries like that have been trying to pull that off before. Things are going really well in those countries.😁

 

[ZNP]

Wow, I get it!

The amount of ETF's trading gold compared to actual gold is 200 to 250:1. Now the LBMA is being cleaned out by the US of actual physical gold. This is going to leave 99.5% of the people thinking they hold gold with nothing. So, who are these people? They could be small investors, but the majority of this gold is held in the LBMA on behalf of central banks from other countries! Suppose you are moving to BRICS and want to trade in gold backed currency. Well, first you discover the gold you thought you had is gone. You are left with paper gold that is only worth the paper it is printed on. Second, the US just repriced gold causing everything traded in gold to cost much more than before while the US dollar can be exchanged for a new gold backed digital currency by the US. This is an attack on BRICS to pull the rug out from under them.

 

[ZNP]

Wow, I get it!

The amount of ETF's trading gold compared to actual gold is 200 to 250:1. Now the LBMA is being cleaned out by the US of actual physical gold. This is going to leave 99.5% of the people thinking they hold gold with nothing. So, who are these people? They could be small investors, but the majority of this gold is held in the LBMA on behalf of central banks from other countries! Suppose you are moving to BRICS and want to trade in gold backed currency. Well, first you discover the gold you thought you had is gone. You are left with paper gold that is only worth the paper it is printed on. Second, the US just repriced gold causing everything traded in gold to cost much more than before while the US dollar can be exchanged for a new gold backed digital currency by the US. This is an attack on BRICS to pull the rug out from under them.

The point is they aren't trying to corner the market, the market has already been cornered, they are simply triggering a stampede the same way the hyenas did in the Lion king.

John 11:8 His disciples say unto him, Master, the Jews of late sought to stone thee; and goest thou thither again?

Libya tried to get out from under the dollar and other countries have tried as well. The US "stoned" them. But this time it will be for real. This time the whole world will rise up against the US.

 

[ATSTD]

Anyone who says something is coming, doesn’t actually know. No one knows, except for God.

 

[studier]

Anyone who says something is coming, doesn’t actually know. No one knows, except for God.

Interesting how He didn't give us that forward looking capability. Taking our next breath is actually a guess that we take for granted.

 

[ZNP]

Anyone who says something is coming, doesn’t actually know. No one knows, except for God.

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

 

[ATSTD]

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

Acts 1:7:
"Jesus replied, 'It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by His own authority.”

Do you follow Amos or Jesus?

 

[ZNP]

Acts 1:7:
"Jesus replied, 'It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by His own authority.”

Do you follow Amos or Jesus?

Jesus is the incarnated word of God. They thought He came to do away with the law, He said "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Jesus is not contradicting Amos or Moses, He is fulfilling. Peter said that "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." This word by Jesus must also align with the prophecy in Amos and also Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:" God alone can declare the end from the beginning. It is an essential proof that the word of God is the truth, that it is from God and therefore all those who reject the word will be without excuse.

So then in Matthew 24:42 Jesus said "Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come." The conclusion that He does not tell us the day and hour is not that we don't know it but that we must watch because Jesus did give us all the signs to watch for. Your interpretation is that we are all blind and cannot see the signs. That is clearly a false interpretation. The Lord repeated this charge in Matthew 25:13 "Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh." So clearly the Lord's word that "it is not for you to know" does not apply to the day and hour that the Son of Man cometh. Otherwise why tell us to watch if it is not for us to know? This is repeated in Mark 13:35 "Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:". So then, I would ask you, are you following the Lord Jesus' command to watch? Doesn't that imply that you are not blind but can actually see? After all Jesus said in Luke 12:37 "Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them." There is a blessing for those that watch and a curse for those that don't. Revelation 3:3 "Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee." Now this is just for those who refuse to watch. What about for those who tell others that they cannot watch and that by watching they are no longer following Jesus?

Luke 12:45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

 

[ATSTD]

Jesus is the incarnated word of God. They thought He came to do away with the law, He said "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Jesus is not contradicting Amos or Moses, He is fulfilling. Peter said that "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." This word by Jesus must also align with the prophecy in Amos and also Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:" God alone can declare the end from the beginning. It is an essential proof that the word of God is the truth, that it is from God and therefore all those who reject the word will be without excuse.

So then in Matthew 24:42 Jesus said "Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come." The conclusion that He does not tell us the day and hour is not that we don't know it but that we must watch because Jesus did give us all the signs to watch for. Your interpretation is that we are all blind and cannot see the signs. That is clearly a false interpretation. The Lord repeated this charge in Matthew 25:13 "Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh." So clearly the Lord's word that "it is not for you to know" does not apply to the day and hour that the Son of Man cometh. Otherwise why tell us to watch if it is not for us to know? This is repeated in Mark 13:35 "Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:". So then, I would ask you, are you following the Lord Jesus' command to watch? Doesn't that imply that you are not blind but can actually see? After all Jesus said in Luke 12:37 "Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them." There is a blessing for those that watch and a curse for those that don't. Revelation 3:3 "Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee." Now this is just for those who refuse to watch. What about for those who tell others that they cannot watch and that by watching they are no longer following Jesus?

Luke 12:45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

Are you claiming to be a prophet?

 

[ZNP]

Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

The word for "to know" is a general knowledge. There is a different word in Greek (epignosis) which means full experiential knowledge.

So then where do we get our general knowledge of the Lord's coming from? Primarily from the books of Paul and John's revelation. None of those books had been given to us yet. This word from Jesus is given prior to His ascension. After He ascends we see that He goes to the throne room in heaven (Revelation 4 and 5) and there God gives Him the scroll sealed with 7 seals, that is the title deed to the earth. Only once that scroll is opened do we get the general knowledge of the Lord's coming.

For example, the number of the Antichrist's name, 666, was sealed up and we did not learn this until Jesus opened the scrolls and then John gave us the book of revelation. Of course, Jesus ascension was many years before the book of Revelation was written. But Paul also said the same thing,

Ephesians 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

This is the reference to the scroll that no one was worthy to open until Jesus rose from the dead and ascended to the throne.

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

The scroll with seven seals was a title deed telling us that we were joint heirs with Christ.

7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

Yes, Paul was made a minister according to the gift of the grace of God to make known unto us the mystery, but that was many years after Acts 1.

 

[ZNP]

Are you claiming to be a prophet?

I am claiming that every word of God will be fulfilled, God will not allow one word to fall to the ground. I am also claiming that no one can interpret any prophecy of the Bible based solely on that one word but you need to have a number of other verses as well to confirm your interpretation. When we look at everything else the Lord said your interpretation is debunked.

 

[ATSTD]

Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

The word for "to know" is a general knowledge. There is a different word in Greek (epignosis) which means full experiential knowledge.

So then where do we get our general knowledge of the Lord's coming from? Primarily from the books of Paul and John's revelation. None of those books had been given to us yet. This word from Jesus is given prior to His ascension. After He ascends we see that He goes to the throne room in heaven (Revelation 4 and 5) and there God gives Him the scroll sealed with 7 seals, that is the title deed to the earth. Only once that scroll is opened do we get the general knowledge of the Lord's coming.

For example, the number of the Antichrist's name, 666, was sealed up and we did not learn this until Jesus opened the scrolls and then John gave us the book of revelation. Of course, Jesus ascension was many years before the book of Revelation was written. But Paul also said the same thing,

Ephesians 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

This is the reference to the scroll that no one was worthy to open until Jesus rose from the dead and ascended to the throne.

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

The scroll with seven seals was a title deed telling us that we were joint heirs with Christ.

7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

Yes, Paul was made a minister according to the gift of the grace of God to make known unto us the mystery, but that was many years after Acts 1.

Do you claim to be an apostle?

 

[ATSTD]

I am claiming that every word of God will be fulfilled, God will not allow one word to fall to the ground. I am also claiming that no one can interpret any prophecy of the Bible based solely on that one word but you need to have a number of other verses as well to confirm your interpretation. When we look at everything else the Lord said your interpretation is debunked.

I am just testing your spirit. Looks like you passed that question. Congratulations.

 

[ZNP]

Prophet:

"one who speaks forth or openly" (see PROPHECY, A), "a proclaimer of a divine message," denoted among the Greeks an interpreter of the oracles of the gods.
In the Sept. it is the translation of the word roeh, "a seer;" 1Sa 9:9, indicating that the "prophet" was one who had immediate intercourse with God. It also translates the word nabhi, meaning "either one in whom the message from God springs forth" or "one to whom anything is secretly communicated." Hence, in general, "the prophet" was one upon whom the Spirit of God rested, Num 11:17-29, one, to whom and through whom God speaks, Num 12:2; Amo 3:7, 8. In the case of the OT prophets their messages were very largely the proclamation of the Divine purposes of salvation and glory to be accomplished in the future; the "prophesying" of the NT "prophets" was both a preaching of the Divine counsels of grace already accomplished and the foretelling of the purposes of God in the future.

In the NT the word is used

(a) of "the OT prophets," e.g., Mat 5:12; Mar 6:15; Luk 4:27; Jhn 8:52; Rom 11:3;

(b) of "prophets in general," e.g., Mat 10:41; 21:46; Mar 6:4;

(c) of "John the Baptist," Mat 21:26; Luk 1:76;

(d) of "prophets in the churches," e.g., Act 13:1; 15:32; 21:10; 1Cr 12:28, 29; 14:29, 32, 37; Eph 2:20; 3:5; 4:11;

(e) of "Christ, as the aforepromised Prophet," e.g., Jhn 1:21; 6:14; 7:40; Act 3:22; 7:37, or, without the article, and, without reference to the Old Testament, Mar 6:15, Luk 7:16; in Luk 24:19 it is used with aner, "a man;" Jhn 4:19; 9:17;

(f) of "two witnesses" yet to be raised up for special purposes, Rev 11:10, 18;

(g) of "the Cretan poet Epimenides," Tts 1:12;

(h) by metonymy, of "the writings of prophets," e.g., Luk 24:27; Act 8:28.

This is Vine's word study on the word used for prophet in the New Testament. As you can see there is a lot of overlap between this word for prophet and any Christian who speaks for God.

For example when you preach the gospel and show people the way of salvation based on the Bible you are interpreting scripture. You are speaking openly and you are a proclaimer of a divine message. It is also understood that you have fellowship with God. It is not restricted to someone who says "thus saith the Lord". It does not exclude that, but a case can be made that pretty much anyone who is witnessing to Jesus incarnation, crucifixion, resurrection and ascension could be called a prophet.

 

[ATSTD]

Prophet:

"one who speaks forth or openly" (see PROPHECY, A), "a proclaimer of a divine message," denoted among the Greeks an interpreter of the oracles of the gods.
In the Sept. it is the translation of the word roeh, "a seer;" 1Sa 9:9, indicating that the "prophet" was one who had immediate intercourse with God. It also translates the word nabhi, meaning "either one in whom the message from God springs forth" or "one to whom anything is secretly communicated." Hence, in general, "the prophet" was one upon whom the Spirit of God rested, Num 11:17-29, one, to whom and through whom God speaks, Num 12:2; Amo 3:7, 8. In the case of the OT prophets their messages were very largely the proclamation of the Divine purposes of salvation and glory to be accomplished in the future; the "prophesying" of the NT "prophets" was both a preaching of the Divine counsels of grace already accomplished and the foretelling of the purposes of God in the future.

In the NT the word is used

(a) of "the OT prophets," e.g., Mat 5:12; Mar 6:15; Luk 4:27; Jhn 8:52; Rom 11:3;

(b) of "prophets in general," e.g., Mat 10:41; 21:46; Mar 6:4;

(c) of "John the Baptist," Mat 21:26; Luk 1:76;

(d) of "prophets in the churches," e.g., Act 13:1; 15:32; 21:10; 1Cr 12:28, 29; 14:29, 32, 37; Eph 2:20; 3:5; 4:11;

(e) of "Christ, as the aforepromised Prophet," e.g., Jhn 1:21; 6:14; 7:40; Act 3:22; 7:37, or, without the article, and, without reference to the Old Testament, Mar 6:15, Luk 7:16; in Luk 24:19 it is used with aner, "a man;" Jhn 4:19; 9:17;

(f) of "two witnesses" yet to be raised up for special purposes, Rev 11:10, 18;

(g) of "the Cretan poet Epimenides," Tts 1:12;

(h) by metonymy, of "the writings of prophets," e.g., Luk 24:27; Act 8:28.

This is Vine's word study on the word used for prophet in the New Testament. As you can see there is a lot of overlap between this word for prophet and any Christian who speaks for God.

For example when you preach the gospel and show people the way of salvation based on the Bible you are interpreting scripture. You are speaking openly and you are a proclaimer of a divine message. It is also understood that you have fellowship with God. It is not restricted to someone who says "thus saith the Lord". It does not exclude that, but a case can be made that pretty much anyone who is witnessing to Jesus incarnation, crucifixion, resurrection and ascension could be called a prophet.

Thank you for that