The duel of the people and the masks.

[Roughsoul1991]

Correct. Now you have a foundation of TRUTH to build on. No pre-trib mentioned here - as a matter of fact the Thessalonians aare being persecuted and put to death for their faith in Christ - thus the reason for Paul writing to them = to comfort their sorrows and give HOPE for a better DAY that is coming - The Lord's Return = Resurrection FIRST then we who are still alive at His Coming.

Wrong. It happens together one after the other.

Has the 7 year tribulation started? You believe the vaccine is the mark of the beast right?


Revelation 13
New International Version
The Beast out of the Sea
13 The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.

16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

Has this occurred already? Who is the Antichrist?

 

[tourist]

your life will be back to "normal" and then some.

It's the 'then some' that may prove to be problematic. It's gonna be the new 'normal'.

 

[DavidTree]

Wrong. It happens together one after the other.

Has the 7 year tribulation started? You believe the vaccine is the mark of the beast right?


Revelation 13
New International Version
The Beast out of the Sea
13 The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.

16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

Has this occurred already? Who is the Antichrist?

You said scripture is wrong - 1 Thessalonians 4:The Lord's Return = Resurrection FIRST then we who are still alive at His Coming.


For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

If you claim the Apostle Paul is wrong, then you failed and are out of the contest.

 

[Rockson]

$1,000 dollars to the first person that can show the scripture(s) that say: The Bride of Christ is pre-trib raptured before the First Resurrection.

Haha....funny David you'd seek to provide such a motivation for somebody to do something in other words you do something spiritual and I'll give you back something carnal. Curious as to why the Lord didn't use that technique or maybe he thought TRUTH should be it's own reason for talking about it?

Ha, wondering too....is that $1,000 dollar pay out in American dollars or do you reduce it to whatever the exchange rate is in whatever country. Sorry couldn't resist

 

[DavidTree]

Haha....funny David you'd seek to provide such a motivation for somebody to do something in other words you do something spiritual and I'll give you back something carnal. Curious as to why the Lord didn't use that technique or maybe he thought TRUTH should be it's own reason for talking about it?

Ha, wondering too....is that $1,000 dollar pay out in American dollars or do you reduce it to whatever the exchange rate is in whatever country. Sorry couldn't resist

Like your humor - thank you for that.
The reason I posted the $$$ was to take it away from argument level and turn towards the actual truth seeking base, using only Scripture and not conjecture or religion or belief.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

You said scripture is wrong - 1 Thessalonians 4:The Lord's Return = Resurrection FIRST then we who are still alive at His Coming.


For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

If you claim the Apostle Paul is wrong, then you failed and are out of the contest.

Let me clarify. The scripture says what it says, but your interpretation is wrong. You have multiple resurrections in scripture. Two have already occurred—Jesus and the broken tombs where saints walked out right after Jesus's crucifixion. Dead in Christ shall rise first and then the living. It does not say after a period of time. The next resurrection to occur will be after the tribulation for the elect, which is the specific number of Jews that come to Christ in the tribulation period.

Has the 7-year tribulation started? You believe the vaccine is the mark of the beast right?


Revelation 13
New International Version
The Beast out of the Sea
13 The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.

16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

Has this occurred already? Who is the Antichrist?

 

[DavidTree]

Let me clarify. The scripture says what it says, but your interpretation is wrong. You have multiple resurrections in scripture. Two have already occurred—Jesus and the broken tombs where saints walked out right after Jesus's crucifixion. Dead in Christ shall rise first and then the living. It does not say after a period of time. The next resurrection to occur will be after the tribulation for the elect, which is the specific number of Jews that come to Christ in the tribulation period.

Has the 7-year tribulation started? You believe the vaccine is the mark of the beast right?


Revelation 13
New International Version
The Beast out of the Sea
13 The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.

16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

Has this occurred already? Who is the Antichrist?

You said; The scripture says what it says, but your interpretation is wrong. You have multiple resurrections in scripture.

Those individual multiple resurrections are attached to Jesus - this is true.
The Scripture is CLEAR = Jesus said blessed is he who is part of the FIRST resurrection.
Revelation is CLEAR = there is a FIRST resurrection and a Second Resurrection.

What interpretation is wrong - If you say 'wrong' but cannot show evidence you will be disqualified.

No Conjecture, No interpretations, No beliefs, No religion.

Only Scripture

 

[DavidTree]

You said; The scripture says what it says, but your interpretation is wrong. You have multiple resurrections in scripture.

Those individual multiple resurrections are attached to Jesus - this is true.
The Scripture is CLEAR = Jesus said blessed is he who is part of the FIRST resurrection.
Revelation is CLEAR = there is a FIRST resurrection and a Second Resurrection.

What interpretation is wrong - If you say 'wrong' but cannot show evidence you will be disqualified.

No Conjecture, No interpretations, No beliefs, No religion.

Only Scripture

Those individual multiple resurrections are attached to Jesus EARTHLY ministry - this is true.
The Scripture is CLEAR = Jesus said blessed is he who is part of the FIRST resurrection.
Revelation is CLEAR = there is a FIRST resurrection and a Second Resurrection.
Apostle Paul is CLEAR = Dead in Christ rise FIRST

What interpretation is wrong - If you say 'wrong' but cannot show evidence you will be disqualified.

No Conjecture, No interpretations, No beliefs, No religion.

Only Scripture[/QUOTE]

 

[Roughsoul1991]

You said; The scripture says what it says, but your interpretation is wrong. You have multiple resurrections in scripture.

Those individual multiple resurrections are attached to Jesus - this is true.
The Scripture is CLEAR = Jesus said blessed is he who is part of the FIRST resurrection.
Revelation is CLEAR = there is a FIRST resurrection and a Second Resurrection.

What interpretation is wrong - If you say 'wrong' but cannot show evidence you will be disqualified.

No Conjecture, No interpretations, No beliefs, No religion.

Only Scripture

I have provided scripture as evidence. That wasn't enough because we are now in the realm of interpretation. I say your wrong, you say I'm wrong. It only matters on how you answer the questions that you keep ignoring.

Has the 7-year tribulation started? You believe the vaccine is the mark of the beast right?


Revelation 13
New International Version
The Beast out of the Sea
13 The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.

16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

Has this occurred already? Who is the Antichrist?

 

[DavidTree]

I have provided scripture as evidence. That wasn't enough because we are now in the realm of interpretation. I say your wrong, you say I'm wrong. It only matters on how you answer the questions that you keep ignoring.

Has the 7-year tribulation started? You believe the vaccine is the mark of the beast right?


Revelation 13
New International Version
The Beast out of the Sea
13 The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.

16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

Has this occurred already? Who is the Antichrist?

No, only you entered the realm of conjecture and are therefore disqualified because you want to bypass Scripture and go right to religion.

Religion = DIVISION

 

[DavidTree]

$1,000 to anyone who can show, ONLY Scripture, that clearly states: The Bride of Christ/His Elect/His Church is pre-trib raptured before the first resurrection.

#1 Rules apply: No Conjecture, No Religion, No Personal Belief Statements, No Arguing

#2 Rules Apply: "I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.
And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book." Revelation 22:18-19

#3 Rules Apply: Proverbs 30: 5-6 "Every word of God is flawless; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

No, only you entered the realm of conjecture and are therefore disqualified because you want to bypass Scripture and go right to religion.

Religion = DIVISION

Your just moving the goal post. Another fallacy.

Have you heard the parable of the man who didn't like theology but spoke theology to prove his point?

You may ask who is this man.

You, are that man.

Has the 7-year tribulation started? You believe the vaccine is the mark of the beast right?


Revelation 13
New International Version
The Beast out of the Sea
13 The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.

16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

Has this occurred already? Who is the Antichrist?

 

[tourist]

$1,000 to anyone who can show, ONLY Scripture, that clearly states: The Bride of Christ/His Elect/His Church is pre-trib raptured before the first resurrection.

I think that scripture is in Song of Solomon. I take Pay Pal for the grand (USD).

 

[DavidTree]

Your just moving the goal post. Another fallacy.

Have you heard the parable of the man who didn't like theology but spoke theology to prove his point?

You may ask who is this man.

You, are that man.

Has the 7-year tribulation started? You believe the vaccine is the mark of the beast right?


Revelation 13
New International Version
The Beast out of the Sea
13 The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.

16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

Has this occurred already? Who is the Antichrist?

Dear Brother are we both going to see each other in Glorified Resurrected Bodies - I hope to see you in one.

I firmly believe Revelation - all of it, from Chapter 1 to 22

Do you believe this from the Lord Jesus Christ own words: CHAPTER 14
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

 

[DavidTree]

I think that scripture is in Song of Solomon. I take Pay Pal for the grand (USD).

Whatever scripture you have from SoS please post but it MUST be supported in the New Testament writings. It cannot stand alone/apart from Jesus words on the subject and the Apostles words on the subject.
This would be conjecture and automatic disqualification.

But i love your " I take PayPAl for the Grand" - lol - love it - thanks

Please review the Rules laid out in previous post - THANK YOU - LOVE TO ALL in CHRIST

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Dear Brother are we both going to see each other in Glorified Resurrected Bodies - I hope to see you in one.

I firmly believe Revelation - all of it, from Chapter 1 to 22

Do you believe this from the Lord Jesus Christ own words: CHAPTER 14
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

Now why should I answer you when you will not answer me?

I'll go first then you answer me.


Revelation 14
The Lamb and the 144,000
14 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.

In context

13 Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”

“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them.”

This is not about the church but the saints that come to Christ during the tribulation period.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Dear Brother are we both going to see each other in Glorified Resurrected Bodies - I hope to see you in one.

I firmly believe Revelation - all of it, from Chapter 1 to 22

Do you believe this from the Lord Jesus Christ own words: CHAPTER 14
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

Has the 7-year tribulation started? You believe the vaccine is the mark of the beast right?


Revelation 13
New International Version
The Beast out of the Sea
13 The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.

16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

Has this occurred already? Who is the Antichrist?

 

[DavidTree]

Now why should I answer you when you will not answer me?

I'll go first then you answer me.


Revelation 14
The Lamb and the 144,000
14 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.

In context

13 Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”

“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them.”

This is not about the church but the saints that come to Christ during the tribulation period.

This is not about the church but the saints that come to Christ during the tribulation period.[/QUOTE = CONJECTURE

Where is the pre-trib rapture of His Bride in Revelation? Please ONLY scripture - Conjecture and arguing is disqualified.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

This is not about the church but the saints that come to Christ during the tribulation period.[/QUOTE = CONJECTURE

Where is the pre-trib rapture of His Bride in Revelation? Please ONLY scripture - Conjecture and arguing is disqualified.

Notice Revelation 1 through 3 is speaking to 7 literal churches that have since been destroyed.

Now Revelation 4

Revelation 4
4 After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.”

After this I looked Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.

John was being led to see what would take place after the church age.

You do realize Revelation isn't the only book to speak on end time events?

We have the Bible 66 books which hermeneutically are woven together.

If you want more detail on pre trib rapture we have other books a verses to look at, I posted 3 earlier that you ignored, much like my questions to you.

 

[DavidTree]

Notice Revelation 1 through 3 is speaking to 7 literal churches that have since been destroyed.

Now Revelation 4

Revelation 4
4 After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.”

After this I looked Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.

John was being led to see what would take place after the church age.

You do realize Revelation isn't the only book to speak on end time events?

We have the Bible 66 books which hermeneutically are woven together.

If you want more detail on pre trib rapture we have other books a verses to look at, I posted 3 earlier that you ignored, much like my questions to you.

DISQUALIFIED = adding to and taking away from Scripture
DISQUALIFIED = Conjecture
DISQUALIFIED = You added what is NOT presented in Scripture = ONLY John was taken up - NOT the consumation of His Bride/First Resurrection/ pretrib rapture of the Church.