Record number of Palestinian children imprisoned.

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1still_waters

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If something in this thread is a fact, then it's a fact.

Are people upset because others are posting facts they don't want to see?

Before you go labeling something as anti-this, or anti-that, simply ask...Is it true?

If it's true,then it's true.

Facts are facts.
 

Drett

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I haven't read the entirety of this post.

Are the news stories being posted true?

If the stories are true, what's the problem?
People don't like the message. :)

The new article I posted in is from an Israel publication that has links in it advertising Jerusalem holidays.
 
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People don't like the message. :)

The new article I posted in is from an Israel publication that has links in it advertising Jerusalem holidays.
In the future..it would be helpful for you (and others) to post links to back up the claims being presented.

That way when someone says it's hate propaganda anti this anti that......You can say no....actually its a fact.
 

zone

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let me put it this way...i don't have any children...but if i had a child...would i bring them places that necessitated walking them through a checkpoint that i believe to be dangerous?

no...if i have to go to through a dangerous checkpoint to get to work...then i am not bringing my children to work... if i have to go through a dangerous checkpoint to go to the store...then my children are not going to the store with me... if i have to go through a dangerous checkpoint to take my children to school...then my children are staying home from school... if i have to go through a dangerous checkpoint to bring my children to the playground...then no more playground for them...

i would not risk my children just because i am or feel that i am entitled to be somewhere...
rachel this is heartbreaking for me to hear this from you.
look what you wrote.

what you are saying is, no life.

at all. that's just the way it's going to be for anyone because israel is a Jewish State.

or, have abortions or just die....or something. i don't understand. move out i guess is the solution? go away?

then what? will it be the Syrians? the Jordanians? the Lebanese?

when would this end?

you know the Israelis have plans for Greater Israel...you know this.
this isn't going to stop with the palestinians.

is there a final solution here for 'the Palestinian (or any non-jew) Problem'?

what's the "i feel i am entitled" to be somewhere?

i can't process this....i can't. not coming from you.
it's mind-numbing.

maybe there is some parallel universe where it is good parenting when you believe a something to be dangerous so you choose to expose your children to it because you don't approve of its presence...but in civilized society we don't risk our children to protest something we don't like...
to protest?
rachel...they have to pass through checkpoints to go to work and get medical care and visit their families.

and you are right...there is something wrong with the palestinians that they cannot get along with their neighbors... the west bank and gaza strip are not the only places where palestinians have trouble getting along...they seem to have problems wherever are...lebanon and iraq and egypt and jordan...

if you research who the people calling themselves 'palestinians' actually are...you might find out why they have a reputation all across the middle east for being 'trouble'...
please enlighten me on this then.
give me something to go on, and i'll look it up.

are they the people attacking Syria right now?
did they do 9-11 rachel?

the hatred against jews is primarily based on religious disputes going back to the early days of islam...and arab nationalism that goes back to the soviet days...
i see.
alright thanks. i'll wait to see your post on who the palestinians really are, and why they are responsible for all the trouble in the region, and hence the world today.

i had no idea they had that much power.
but maybe you'll convince me.
 

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rachel this is heartbreaking for me to hear this from you.
look what you wrote.

what you are saying is, no life.

at all. that's just the way it's going to be for anyone because israel is a Jewish State.

or, have abortions or just die....or something. i don't understand. move out i guess is the solution? go away?

then what? will it be the Syrians? the Jordanians? the Lebanese?

when would this end?

you know the Israelis have plans for Greater Israel...you know this.
this isn't going to stop with the palestinians.

is there a final solution here for 'the Palestinian (or any non-jew) Problem'?

what's the "i feel i am entitled" to be somewhere?

i can't process this....i can't. not coming from you.
it's mind-numbing.



to protest?
rachel...they have to pass through checkpoints to go to work and get medical care and visit their families.



please enlighten me on this then.
give me something to go on, and i'll look it up.

are they the people attacking Syria right now?
did they do 9-11 rachel?



i see.
alright thanks. i'll wait to see your post on who the palestinians really are, and why they are responsible for all the trouble in the region, and hence the world today.

i had no idea they had that much power.
but maybe you'll convince me.
She believes what she wants to believe and nothing is going to change that. One day her heart may be open to the truth but I guess not today. :)
 

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The news article I linked in about children being ambushed and arrested is only about a week old. The photographers have been removed but the war crimes continue.
Maybe, but the images you posted are not. THe image of the boy wetting himself in fear, not a girl as you claimed, was taken on 6th April 2001. The boy had just been arrested for throwing stones, there are images of this taking place if you do the search.

Why were the kids ambushed as you call it? How about most of the kids in the group detained were identified in stone throwing incident the previous day, here is the video of that incident. I know you wont accept this and still keep spouting off about war crimes, evil nazi Israeli etc, but people impartial to this need to see the truth, you keep on going on about truth, but the truth you come out with is a biased truth and not a real truth.

In this incident, the truth is clear to see, kids throwing stones, next day they are arrested for their crimes. If you are from Maylasia, then that regieme is even more brutal, go up to any policeman in the world and throw a rock at them, see what happens. Its not really that much of a war crime now is it.

Problem is Drett, you are so blind and hate filled, that if a Jew breaks wind in Gaza you will call that a war crime as well.

[video=youtube_share;WE0kHl0Ddow]http://youtu.be/WE0kHl0Ddow[/video]
 

zone

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Christian Palestinianism.
you mean:

Palestinian Christians are Christians of Palestinian descent, that is descended from the peoples of the geographical area of Palestine, within modern Israel, the Palestinian territories and Jordan, as well as Christians who emigrated to the area. In this area, there are churches and believers from many Christian denominations, including Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican, Eastern Orthodoxy, Catholic (Eastern and Western rites), Protestant, and others. In both the local dialect of Palestinian Arabic and in classical or modern standard Arabic, Christians are called Nasrani (a derivative of the Arabic word for Nazareth, al-Nasira) or Masihi (a derivative of Arabic word Masih, meaning "Messiah").[1] In Hebrew, they are called Notzri (also spelt Notsri), which means "Nazarene".

??

or is this a variation of christian zionism?:)
hmmm.....interesting.
 

zone

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Problem is Drett, you are so blind and hate filled, that if a Jew breaks wind in Gaza you will call that a war crime as well.
out of line!....post one single example of drett hating or posting ANY hate.
 

Drett

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Problem is Drett, you are so blind and hate filled, that if a Jew breaks wind in Gaza you will call that a war crime as well.
I try to just print the facts and keep the emotion out of it. Whether you accept what I state is up to you. I have discharged my obligation in highlighting the injustice. I'll leave it to God in the end.

Whether the pictures are from 2001 or 2013 the arrests are still occurring just the photgraphers have been removed.

This article is dated 31st March.

The IDF must stop arresting children - Opinion - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper

You will see from this article the arrests are just arbitrary and include 7 and 8 year olds. How far and hard can a 7 or 8 year old throw a rock ?
 

zone

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Why were the kids ambushed as you call it? How about most of the kids in the group detained were identified in stone throwing incident the previous day, here is the video of that incident. I know you wont accept this and still keep spouting off about war crimes, evil nazi Israeli etc, but people impartial to this need to see the truth, you keep on going on about truth, but the truth you come out with is a biased truth and not a real truth.

In this incident, the truth is clear to see, kids throwing stones, next day they are arrested for their crimes. If you are from Maylasia, then that regieme is even more brutal, go up to any policeman in the world and throw a rock at them, see what happens. Its not really that much of a war crime now is it.
Haaretz

The inner syntax of Palestinian stone-throwing

It would make sense for Palestinian schools to give classes in resistance: how to build multiple 'tower and stockade’ villages in Area C; how to behave when army troops enter your homes; how to identify soldiers who flung you handcuffed to the floor of the jeep, in order to submit a complaint.

By Amira Hass | 02:34 03.04.13 |

Throwing stones is the birthright and duty of anyone subject to foreign rule. Throwing stones is an action as well as a metaphor of resistance. Persecution of stone-throwers, including 8-year-old children, is an inseparable part − though it’s not always spelled out − of the job requirements of the foreign ruler, no less than shooting, torture, land theft, restrictions on movement, and the unequal...

The inner syntax of Palestinian stone-throwing - Opinion - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper < click

i find this astonishing that Israelis themselves have and accept internal discourse on these things - one of their leading papers Haaretz consistently and freely critical at times of the very things discussed here.

yet, when in the christian world of Dispensationalism the subjects are brought up - a seemingly inexplicable reaction takes place. just a shut-down of the whole matter.

indoctrination is self-evident. - when facts are presented clearly, and denied.
reality is simply denied.

this should concern us. i would think.
 
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Lets get one thing strait.

Pre WW2 the land the state of Israel is made of was Arab lands. had been Arab lands for over 1,000 years

when WW2 ended in Europe the Jewish people flooded the Arab lands and of course the Arabs didn't like this. (nether would you if thousands and thousands of "foreigners moved upon your lands).

Many Arab families were driven from the Land they resided they were kicked out. forced to flee.

Now Imagine where you live now. some Foreigners Invade and Throw you off the lands you and your family had lived in for generations and did what they could to oppress your movements. wouldnt you be mad? I know I would be.
 
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*wiping tears from my eyes*...I'm not gonna say who is right or who is wrong...BUT no child deserves this doesn't matter if they are from israel or palestine...this is wrong...I mean I don't get it why can't we all just get along

This is sad
#worldPeace
 
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doulos

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Lets get one thing strait.

Pre WW2 the land the state of Israel is made of was Arab lands. had been Arab lands for over 1,000 years

when WW2 ended in Europe the Jewish people flooded the Arab lands and of course the Arabs didn't like this. (nether would you if thousands and thousands of "foreigners moved upon your lands).

Many Arab families were driven from the Land they resided they were kicked out. forced to flee.

Now Imagine where you live now. some Foreigners Invade and Throw you off the lands you and your family had lived in for generations and did what they could to oppress your movements. wouldnt you be mad? I know I would be.
My friend maybe you should do a little research on the history of Israel. Revisionist are trying to rewrite history to make it appear that Palestineans are a legitamate people. Before siding with the Jordanian immigrants etc… who falsely claim to be Palestinans we should all take a little time and verify whether or not their claim to the land is legitamate..

Pete Waldo put a post in the Bible Discussion section section that does show the truth and how the fictitous name Palestine came into play and how their claim is patently false. You can read it at http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/61358-israel-palestine.html#post976635 <click

God gave Israel to the Jews in an everlasting covenant. So the Jews have a God given right to the land. The choice is simple stand by those who have a God given right to the land or stand by the revisionist who are trying to usurp God’s authority and give the land to a group of people who have no legitamate claim to the land.
 
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My friend maybe you should do a little research on the history of Israel. Revisionist are trying to rewrite history to make it appear that Palestineans are a legitamate people. Before siding with the Jordanian immigrants etc… who falsely claim to be Palestinans we should all take a little time and verify whether or not their claim to the land is legitamate..

Pete Waldo put a post in the Bible Discussion section section that does show the truth and how the fictitous name Palestine came into play and how their claim is patently false. You can read it at http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/61358-israel-palestine.html#post976635 <click

God gave Israel to the Jews in an everlasting covenant. So the Jews have a God given right to the land. The choice is simple stand by those who have a God given right to the land or stand by the revisionist who are trying to usurp God’s authority and give the land to a group of people who have no legitamate claim to the land.
Well interesting you would assume your God gave them the land because muslims as extreme as Black September claim the exact same right to the land given to them by God, if you actually observed real time effects of a partioned land and an establishment of a country which infringes on humans rights you wouldn't be so clear cut on this.

Not only are Palestinians a real people but even if I played along with this denying of their existence, then you're still left with the issue who are those children being killed or those people being thrown out of their homes?
 

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My friend maybe you should do a little research on the history of Israel. Revisionist are trying to rewrite history to make it appear that Palestineans are a legitamate people. Before siding with the Jordanian immigrants etc… who falsely claim to be Palestinans we should all take a little time and verify whether or not their claim to the land is legitamate..

Pete Waldo put a post in the Bible Discussion section section that does show the truth and how the fictitous name Palestine came into play and how their claim is patently false. You can read it at http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/61358-israel-palestine.html#post976635 <click

God gave Israel to the Jews in an everlasting covenant. So the Jews have a God given right to the land. The choice is simple stand by those who have a God given right to the land or stand by the revisionist who are trying to usurp God’s authority and give the land to a group of people who have no legitamate claim to the land.


i will look at the 'Jordanian immigrants' thread, another poster seems to have alluded to this yesterday.
i'll reserve comments on whatever you or others think this ultimately MEANS.

i can tell you immediately it means nothing against the real revised "history".


NOTICE:

since it is unacceptable to not tell the whole truth, there are two issues from your post i'll be taking on.

i really have no choice but to do so at this time....there does come a time, after all.

TWO ISSUES you brought up, i hear repeated, which will be opened up for total examination:



1) Revisionist are trying to rewrite history

2) research on the history of Israel


this one in particular: "Revisionist are trying to rewrite history", will be FIRST, since it will by default, take care of #2.

when i feel led to, perhaps today - we are going to actually LOOK at real history.

and we're going to use your buzzword - revisionists.

we'll see who revised what...and we will see who knows their Shepherd's Voice and who actually can lay claim to the Spirit of Truth and the love of the truth, whatever the cost to themselves.

this, my friend is about to be completely demolished:

God gave Israel to the Jews in an everlasting covenant. So the Jews have a God given right to the land. The choice is simple stand by those who have a God given right to the land or stand by the revisionist who are trying to usurp God’s authority and give the land to a group of people who have no legitamate claim to the land.
historically, and biblically.


the new thread will posted be in the Miscellaneous thread, and linked to from here.

we will see who has revised real history, when, why and how.

anyone planning to take part in the thread had better come prepared.
 
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zone

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bring your golden calf.

and when we are through, it will be ground to powder, and you will drink it down, down to the very dregs.
 
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i will look at the 'Jordanian immigrants' thread, another poster seems to have alluded to this yesterday.
i'll reserve comments on whatever you or others think this ultimately MEANS.

i can tell you immediately it means nothing against the real revised "history".


NOTICE:

since it is unacceptable to not tell the whole truth, there are two issues from your post i'll be taking on.

i really have no choice but to do so at this time....there does come a time, after all.

TWO ISSUES you brought up, i hear repeated, which will be opened up for total examination:



1) Revisionist are trying to rewrite history

2) research on the history of Israel


this one in particular: "Revisionist are trying to rewrite history", will be FIRST, since it will by default, take care of #2.

when i feel led to, perhaps today - we are going to actually LOOK at real history.

and we're going to use your buzzword - revisionists.

we'll see who revised what...and we will see who knows their Shepherd's Voice and who actually can lay claim to the Spirit of Truth and the love of the truth, whatever the cost to themselves.

this, my friend is about to be completely demolished:



historically, and biblically.


the new thread will posted be in the Miscellaneous thread, and linked to from here.

we will see who has revised real history, when, why and how.

anyone planning to take part in the thread had better come prepared.
Coming soon walls and walls of wiki theology and antizionist propoganda. Yep I'm already convinced NOT!
 

zone

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Coming soon walls and walls of wiki theology and antizionist propoganda. Yep I'm already convinced NOT!
oh no dear.
wiki is for the simple, easy reference. usually people with a brain go to the footnotes.

there's a lot there...but we'll leave it out entirely.
don't need it.

you and i can use the real stuff.
we're going to examine some real history.
i wonder what you'll do then.

you only have 5 words. you already used them all.

i'm over on Pete's thread at the moment....can you help me out over there?

because he's quoting a jewish fable dispensationalist Scofield false doctrine theological system as support for the antichristian CULT of Christian Zionism.

so maybe y'all can get your stories straight over there, and it will save time here.

i certainly hope to get all this confusion coming from your camp sorted out before we examine what really happened in WW2.

there won't be any whining when we do that.
at least...you will be whining and screaching.
i will be posting information.

it'll be fun.
 
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zone

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Coming soon walls and walls of wiki theology and antizionist propoganda. Yep I'm already convinced NOT!
interesting.
what's a 'christian' doing involved in the activities of unsaved people who hate Jesus Christ?

hmm....oh i know.

just go 1:30 into this video and tell me what this has to do with Jesus!:rolleyes:

"it's time for America to join with Israel in a pre-emptive strike on Iran to prevent a nuclear holocaust"

*cheers, flag waving and applause*

[i'm so grateful My God did not allow me to be led into this heresy and disgrace, rather to see it, and know it - as sickening as it is....no matter what shape-shifting it does it's all the same satanic mess]


GET AN EDUCATION HERE - quite informative:

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death cult.
that's what it is.
nothing less.