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I think many Christians misunderstand the Lord's word about not wanting us to be taken out of the world.

John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

Does that apply to sending children to public school? Look at the context:

John 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

It is the parents duty to give the children the word of God. It is absurd to think that kids in elementary school have enough of the word of God to stand strong against the worldly influence of teachers. For some children beginning in seventh grade it would not be unreasonable, others it would be eighth grade or even ninth grade.

But there is absolutely nothing in the Bible that would suggest you should hand over innocent kindergartners and elementary school kids to unbelievers to teach and raise.
Thank you for your input and I will consider it.
 

Mem

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No one has a legal obligation to repent of anything. We're not a theocracy.
I didn't want to assume this response from anyone but factored it in when offering my perspective. I hadn't given it as much speaking in terms of "feelings of remorse for wrong doing" but more of first 'turning toward" the one from whom one requests mercy from. What legal obligation would Trump have to grant Budde her request, especially if he feels she approached him under the pretense that she knows his heart enough to not misrepresented his character in such a way?
It is my opinion that she spoke 'down her nose' him as if she spoke from a moral 'higher' ground, all the while nodding to humility, of course.

Repentance for what? Ice arrested and detained US citizens without a warrant or due process. One of whom is also a veteran without a warrant and they holding him without due process because they don't believe his papers are genuine.

Why do the US citizens need to repent for something they didn't do?

“One of the detainees is a U.S. military veteran who suffered the indignity of having the legitimacy of his military documentation questioned,"

https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladi...ing-prayer-service-heres-the-full-transcript/
I submit this as exhibit A that faith is a construct of free will. People put faith in what, and who, they want to believe.
 
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That is too vague, were these searches a violation of the law? Police do not need a warrant if they have probable cause. However, if probable cause does occur, such as a suspect runs away, a gunshot is heard from another room in a home, or even when an individual makes a sudden movement, a search becomes legal without a warrant.

No, police generally do not need a warrant to search if they respond to a 911 call, but only if there is a clear and immediate emergency situation, such as a crime in progress, a threat to life, or a risk of evidence being destroyed; this is known as "exigent circumstances" and allows them to enter a property without a warrant to address the emergency.

So what are you saying, do you have evidence that they committed warrantless searches but did not have probable cause or exigent circumstances?
We all will all find out the details soon as the ACLU is taking on the cases and pushing them through to the supreme court. And of course the Republicans want them to go to the supreme Court so the court will be forced to reinterpreted the right to privacy out of the 4th amendment in the same way they reinterpreted the right of privacy out of the fourth amendment to overturn roe versus wade. Then they would be able to conduct Mass raids without warrants. Right now it's just a few isolated incidences just to get a few token cases pushed to the supreme court.

Problem action solution

The government creates a problem=the border crisis=people demand action=the government provides a solution.=Mass deportations

Once a government gains power they never give that power up willingly. And they always end up using that power against the people who wanted them to have it in their first place.

These two equations are universal in governments throughout world history and were used by many many conservatives during the covid years to warn against the government having the power they were gaining at that time.

"if you sacrifice your power or freedom in exchange for security, you will ultimately end up with neither"
 
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Ok, lets try a different path. Your 12yr old son comes home and he's high. You demand to know what friend he got it from, who talked to him, was it a drug dealer? Your son calmly tells you that his teacher gave him the drugs and that he's been given the kids drugs all year. Are you still " not going to fight it because why expect the world to conform to fit my perceptions"? No, of course not. There are things in society that we keep away from underage children for their health and benefit. Cutting a child up, pushing homosexuality and boys in girls bathrooms brings harm to children. There's a reason we keep sexual content away from underage kids. smh




I'm researching the truth behind these claims...
On your first point it's a lot different because it's a chemical going into my child's body.

When it comes to philosophies I teach them good reasoning skills. It's up to them to use them or not and figure out what they want to believe and what they don't want to believe. If they end up believing something completely different or end up being gay I could care less they're my children and nothing would change that. They're their own people and the most important thing to me is that they make their own decisions absent from my influence.

My parents tried to force me to follow their beliefs and ideals and it backfired horribly I do not want that for them.

The reality is is that no one is asking the trans community who is receiving gender affirming care. Everyone is speaking for them. When their community has made it very clear that in general they do not agree with kids being put on puberty blockers or trans kids in sports for the opposite sex they were born as. Most of the people speaking for them identify as pansexual or some other group that is not receiving gender reaffirming care.

The Democrats just had a win with gay marriage and needed something else and they picked the wrong thing and they not only pissed off the conservatives but they pissed off the trans community receiving gender affirming care themselves. The Democrats had become a corporate globalist party that needed a wedge issue like the trans issue to hide the fact that they had no real policies to connect with the public.
 
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It also specifically states that all laws must serve a secular purpose
I've heard you say this many times. Can you point to the specific part of the Constitution that says this? Just want to know where you're coming from.
 

ZNP

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We all will all find out the details soon as the ACLU is taking on the cases and pushing them through to the supreme court. And of course the Republicans want them to go to the supreme Court so the court will be forced to reinterpreted the right to privacy out of the 4th amendment in the same way they reinterpreted the right of privacy out of the fourth amendment to overturn roe versus wade. Then they would be able to conduct Mass raids without warrants. Right now it's just a few isolated incidences just to get a few token cases pushed to the supreme court.

Problem action solution

The government creates a problem=the border crisis=people demand action=the government provides a solution.=Mass deportations

Once a government gains power they never give that power up willingly. And they always end up using that power against the people who wanted them to have it in their first place.

These two equations are universal in governments throughout world history and were used by many many conservatives during the covid years to warn against the government having the power they were gaining at that time.

"if you sacrifice your power or freedom in exchange for security, you will ultimately end up with neither"
If there is a case then it suggests they are claiming the police did not have probable cause or exigent circumstances. If the police claim either of those things then there is no power grab by the police.
 
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On your first point it's a lot different because it's a chemical going into my child's body.
Ok, your son goes to his all male PE class. He comes home and tells you they watched a movie rated MA You look it up and it's porn. You going to stop it or let it continue?



When it comes to philosophies I teach them good reasoning skills. It's up to them to use them or not and figure out what they want to believe and what they don't want to believe. If they end up believing something completely different or end up being gay I could care less they're my children and nothing would change that. They're their own people and the most important thing to me is that they make their own decisions absent from my influence.
When they are adults. We're not talking about adults, we're talking about underage kids. The most important thing for you as a parent should be that your children grow up to follow Christ. I don't have kids but I have nephews and I now have a 1 yr old great nephew. And my greatest prayer for all three is that they serve Christ. If you don't care if your child becomes gay then you're not a Christian parent. I hope you come to know the Lord personally so you can be a better influence in your childrens lives.


My parents tried to force me to follow their beliefs and ideals and it backfired horribly I do not want that for them.
I don't know what your parents believed. Your greatest wish should be your children live for Christ.

The reality is is that no one is asking the trans community who is receiving gender affirming care. Everyone is speaking for them. When their community has made it very clear that in general they do not agree with kids being put on puberty blockers or trans kids in sports for the opposite sex they were born as. Most of the people speaking for them identify as pansexual or some other group that is not receiving gender reaffirming care.
It doesn't matter what they are saying. Transgenderism is being pushed in schools in women's sports, in women's bathrooms. There are two genders, period. If they disagreed there are all kinds of ways to get that message out. It's not like 20 yrs ago. Social media is everywhere. Nowhere have I heard the trans community band together and say the are against any of this. Same with drag queen story hour for children.

The Democrats just had a win with gay marriage and needed something else and they picked the wrong thing and they not only pissed off the conservatives but they pissed off the trans community receiving gender affirming care themselves. The Democrats had become a corporate globalist party that needed a wedge issue like the trans issue to hide the fact that they had no real policies to connect with the public.
On that one point we can agree. You want to be gay, trans, or the other 54 genders, have at it, when you're an adult. I'm not supporting it, I'm not paying for it and it's not going to be pushed in my face. And that's what half the country said in a mandate a few days ago. Not just Christians, not just evangelicals, the country. Trump said it, there are two genders, period.
 
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Well she's flat out lying for starters. No one is "scared for their lives". That's just nonsense. As far as the Bible we don't support homosexuality and there is no such thing as transgender.



If you came here illegally, you committed a crime. It's not that you don't have the proper documentation, you broke the law. She knows this, so she's lying again.




Again, if you came illegally you broke the law. People fleeing war zones seek asylum. There are ways to come legally.




There were borders in the Bible, the same as we have today. Americans have no issue with those who come legally. Which she well knows.




I'm betting she has no issue with abortion. It wasn't the time or the place to try to push her agenda. She was trying to make Trump look bad and she lied to do it. It's pretty simple.
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The lady was a world class nut case.
 
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Nor will you find separation of church and state.
It says you don't get to pass laws that favor any one particular religion. That's separation of church and state
The problem is a lot of American Christians think the Constitution only applies to them
 
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I've heard you say this many times. Can you point to the specific part of the Constitution that says this? Just want to know where you're coming from.
It's not those exact words but it says that you can't pass any laws that favor any one particular religion which means you don't get to enforce religion by law
 
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As for the dei thing, that's going to be impossible to enforce. Imagine going to a business and saying " I see you just hired a minority. Can you prove it wasn't a dei hire?"
 

gb9

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As for the dei thing, that's going to be impossible to enforce. Imagine going to a business and saying " I see you just hired a minority. Can you prove it wasn't a dei hire?"
i agree with you on this. almost impossible to prove, thus also to enforce..