No American Women, You are not Oppressed!!

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Fewer abortions*

I had to laugh. I saw a woman on a video saw that we have finally driven liberal women to become more responsible and conservative.

 

[Smoke]

I had to laugh. I saw a woman on a video saw that we have finally driven liberal women to become more responsible and conservative.

That would be the optimistic outlook. For most, I fear we are merely making it less convenient for them to kill their unborn children. I certainly don't want to make it easier though. I am hopeful it will yield to people, men and women, being more responsible in their decision-making.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

That would be the optimistic outlook. For most, I fear we are merely making it less convenient for them to kill their unborn children. I certainly don't want to make it easier though. I am hopeful it will yield to people, men and women, being more responsible in their decision-making.

I think we have made things too easy. Divorce, abortion, transgender, not that I'm putting divorce on that level. It's just that if these things were harder to do, it might make people stop and consider before they make these choices and life changing decisions.

 

[gb9]

I think we have made things too easy. Divorce, abortion, transgender, not that I'm putting divorce on that level. It's just that if these things were harder to do, it might make people stop and consider before they make these choices and life changing decisions.

the easier it is to do, the more people will do it.

so, good thought you had there.

 

[Smoke]

I think we have made things too easy. Divorce, abortion, transgender, not that I'm putting divorce on that level. It's just that if these things were harder to do, it might make people stop and consider before they make these choices and life changing decisions.

Yes, "no fault divorce" was another bad move.

 

[Dude653]

I think we have made things too easy. Divorce, abortion, transgender, not that I'm putting divorce on that level. It's just that if these things were harder to do, it might make people stop and consider before they make these choices and life changing decisions.

Fascist much?
There are many reasons why people might decided to end a marriage. Sometimes issues are just irreconcilable.
My brother and I were actually relieved when my parents finally divorced because we finally had peace.
I remember my dad breaking my mother's nose over remote control. But, what you propose would make women be trapped in these relationships

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Fascist much?
There are many reasons why people might decided to end a marriage. Sometimes issues are just irreconcilable.
My brother and I were actually relieved when my parents finally divorced because we finally had peace.
I remember my dad breaking my mother's nose over remote control. But, what you propose would make women be trapped in these relationships

Dude, as usual you flare without the slightest thought to what is being said. You've known me here for a long time. How you came up with this conclusion is beyond me.

 

[Dude653]

Dude, as usual you flare without the slightest thought to what is being said. You've known me here for a long time. How you came up with this conclusion is beyond me.

You won't find any constitutional basis for putting any restrictions on divorce. It's a contract between two people in the state that can be revoked if both parties agree.
What you are proposing is a slippery slope that could trap women into abusive relationships or even men for that matter

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

You won't find any constitutional basis for putting any restrictions on divorce. It's a contract between two people in the state that can be revoked if both parties agree.
What you are proposing is a slippery slope that could trap women into abusive relationships or even men for that matter

Again, you didn't ask. Divorce is too easy, but then maybe so is marriage. Of course no one should stay in an abusive relationship. Although we have had that talk here many times and we have people here who believe that is not a reason for divorce. You've never heard me advocate that. Maybe you should have to have counseling before marriage and if the marriage falls apart. Divorce should be the last resort. It's torn apart too many families.

 

[ocean]

I think we have made things too easy. Divorce, abortion, transgender, not that I'm putting divorce on that level. It's just that if these things were harder to do, it might make people stop and consider before they make these choices and life changing decisions.

I think it's a heart issue. As in very hard heart. A person could always just leave if divorce was difficult and get an abortion behind the scenes. Transgender care not so much.

But yeah, generally speaking, things that raised eyebrows way back are now commonplace.

 

[timemeddler]

divorce is another thing that women tend to have on their side.

 

[MsMediator]

Just because a woman doesn't scream doesnt mean she wasn't raped. There is date rape, sex with those who cannot consent, and injury or death threats for example. It is reasonable to assume that men would want the victim to be quiet. He doesn't want to be found. If a woman agrees to be raped, it can still be rape because it was unwanted. For guys who do not understand this, it may make more sense if you imagine yourself dealing with a guy rapist.

 

[timemeddler]

Just because a woman doesn't scream doesnt mean she wasn't raped. There is date rape, sex with those who cannot consent, and injury or death threats for example. It is reasonable to assume that men would want the victim to be quiet. He doesn't want to be found.

obviously

If a woman agrees to be raped, it can still be rape because it was unwanted. For guys who do not understand this, it may make more sense if you imagine yourself dealing with a guy rapist.

I assume your talking about some type of trickery like alcohol to make someone more likely to agree, or drugs or hypnotism, or statutory or the like since rape by definition isn't consented to?

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Just because a woman doesn't scream doesnt mean she wasn't raped. There is date rape, sex with those who cannot consent, and injury or death threats for example. It is reasonable to assume that men would want the victim to be quiet. He doesn't want to be found. If a woman agrees to be raped, it can still be rape because it was unwanted. For guys who do not understand this, it may make more sense if you imagine yourself dealing with a guy rapist.

Sorry, where did the topic of rape come up? I didn't see it, even when I read back to the first page.

 

[MsMediator]

Sorry, where did the topic of rape come up? I didn't see it, even when I read back to the first page.

There was discussion above on punishment based on whether or not a woman screams.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

There was discussion above on punishment based on whether or not a woman screams.

Oh, how did I miss that? I will read back more carefully.

 

[SomeDisciple]

If a woman agrees to be raped, it can still be rape because it was unwanted. For guys who do not understand this, it may make more sense if you imagine yourself dealing with a guy rapist.

I don't know of any man that would ever "agree to being raped" by another man. It's still gay, even if your life is at stake.

 

[MsMediator]

I don't know of any man that would ever "agree to being raped" by another man. It's still gay, even if your life is at stake.

I just gave that example so men can empathize more with women who have gone through that, as I tend to get the feeling (and I hope that I am wrong about this) that many men do not take this seriously enough especially with victim blaming and prevalence of porn. I wasn't commenting on homosexuality.

 

[SomeDisciple]

I just gave that example so men can empathize more with women who have gone through that

That's the thing, though... we wouldn't sympathize with that, because it's not something we'd do whether our lives were in danger, or not. Most men respond to threats, coercion, blackmail etc. with overt hostility; no married man, especially a Christian man is going to be like "okay, rape me"... not gonna happen.

 

[MsMediator]

Most men respond to threats, coercion, blackmail etc. with overt hostility; no married man, especially a Christian man is going to be like "okay, rape me"... not gonna happen.

This is why I believe men do not empathize with female victims. Women cannot always respond with overt hostility due to their physical stature. The issue at that point is more survival, as men commit these acts with threats. Men also react this way in certain settings. If you watch the movie Deliverance, the two victims in the woods do not really put up a fight as they were outnumbered.