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kaylagrl

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Almost every time we have a mass shooting, it's done by a white nationalist. America has a problem that a wall isn't going to fix
The two issues are separate. The wall will handle one issue, bringing back public hangings will cure the other.
 
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Susanna

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I do not believe this and just more false left wing rhetoric being spread by liberal news agencies.....
I don’t want to see lunatics packing, whether they are liberals or conservatives, left wingers or right wingers or just plain nut jobs.
 
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Susanna

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I could be wrong or I misheard...but I thought I heard he did not purchase the gun legally to begin with

if anyone knows better...don't be shy

you know, I would not blame politicians. most people can listen to whatever...and even get angry, but they don't go full blown assault and kill for the glory of it all. however I would not call everyone who does mentally ill either.

everybody (well many to be sure) want answers quickly because the mess just needs to somehow make sense when in fact, it never will unless you take into account many factors and do not expect simplistic offerings to do the job. I can't help but see the condition of the world in general. it's on fire

I am responding really in a general sense and not lambasting you ;)
I don’t think law abiding citizens should be denied the right to own firearms.

I do, however, believe that a background check would be appropriate. I can’t see any reason why mentally sick people should carry.
 
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I don’t want to see lunatics packing, whether they are liberals or conservatives, left wingers or right wingers or just plain nut jobs.
Let me clue you in a bit....LAW breakers will BREAK LAWS.......and for the record......I have spent almost 3.5 years of the last 5 in Australia which disarmed it's people in 1992 and has some of the strictest gun laws in the world and every time I am there SOMEONE gets SHOT by a criminal with an ILLEGAL GUN and if not a GUN they use KNIVES like in ENGLAND or MACHETES......there are plenty of LAWS on the books NOW, but they are NOT enforced and CRIMINALS have MORE rights than CITIZENS...start enforcing the laws NOW on the books and EXECUTING people like this in a VERY PUBLIC WAY and see what a difference it makes....

And for the record....a DISARMED people are sitting ducks for evil men with weapons that will break the laws anyway and or for tyrannical governments that enslave the people and become nanny states that write tickets for eating an apple while driving or writing you a ticket if you are on a cell phone while I AM DRIVING or fining you if you walk away more than 10 feet from a car with the keys in it...........

For the record....I am an 80's Marine....I am a law abiding citizen and there is no way in hell that I or any of my friends or family will give up our weapons to a left wing government that legitimizes killing babies, pushes euthanasia, has no problem allowing criminals, drug dealers, Islamic terrorists, or ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS IN and or supports American terrorists like ANTIFA and others to run rough shod over our streets...

Hitler disarmed his people
Stalin disarmed his people
Polpot disarmed his people
Rome disarmed it's people

and the results are obvious.......
 
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I don’t think law abiding citizens should be denied the right to own firearms.

I do, however, believe that a background check would be appropriate. I can’t see any reason why mentally sick people should carry.
That law is already on the BOOKS...have you ever bought a firearm?

A pistol or AR15 or AK47 requires a BACKGROUND CHECK...even a shotgun or 22 rifle....come on......seriously......
 
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7seasrekeyed

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I don’t think law abiding citizens should be denied the right to own firearms.

I do, however, believe that a background check would be appropriate. I can’t see any reason why mentally sick people should carry.

well you have to be not thinking clearly yourself, I would think, if you think it's ok for people with the mental capacity of a 10 year old or bi-polar or whatever, should carry. as you said

there are already background checks in place and not everyone who shoots up the public is incapacitated mentality

as long as people can steal guns, lie to get them, or 'borrow' them or whatever illegal practice they can dream of, they will do so

so called law abiding citizens most likely will not go on a rampage, but if they do, does that mean everyone has to turn in their firearms?

my husband says forks should all be turned in because they make people fat.

it's a metaphor for the gun thing with a twist of humor

cars kill more people then guns. take away the cars.

it's people in all cases. guess we have to control people. vote democratic. :giggle:
 

Dude653

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Not really.....most crime committed with weapons does not come from the white side of the isle.........and regardless.....you can lead a left winger to the watering hole and they will die of thirst while arguing the water is too conservative to drink......
I'm talking about mass shootings. Schools, shopping malls, Wal-Mart ECT...
It's a white guy every time
 

Agricola

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Except what I said is statistically correct
I'm talking about mass shootings. Schools, shopping malls, Wal-Mart ECT...
It's a white guy every time
Are you retracting your statement that its white supremacists and downgrading to just white people? Well your claims are wrong. Why are you working so hard to blame white people? Isn't that racist?
 

notuptome

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Parents have failed to nurture their children in the Lord. Parents have failed to teach the bible to their children. The void has been filled by violent video games and we now see the fruit of the failure.

Guns are not the problem. Guns are a convenient point that politicians can use to subject the nation to their will. These shootings are the fruit of a nation turning it's back on the Lord. We have only seen what is a preview of what is coming from God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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kaylagrl

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Parents have failed to nurture their children in the Lord. Parents have failed to teach the bible to their children. The void has been filled by violent video games and we now see the fruit of the failure.

Guns are not the problem. Guns are a convenient point that politicians can use to subject the nation to their will. These shootings are the fruit of a nation turning it's back on the Lord. We have only seen what is a preview of what is coming from God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I believe I saw a stat that 70% of mass shooters come from fatherless homes. We are a lost nation.It's like "Lord of the Flies".
 

Dude653

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Are you retracting your statement that its white supremacists and downgrading to just white people? Well your claims are wrong. Why are you working so hard to blame white people? Isn't that racist?
You're missing the point. Everyone is screaming build a wall while ignoring the Homegrown terrorists we have right here in our own country
 
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Susanna

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That law is already on the BOOKS...have you ever bought a firearm?

A pistol or AR15 or AK47 requires a BACKGROUND CHECK...even a shotgun or 22 rifle....come on......seriously......

Why are you using capital letters? Was I yelling at you?

I don’t know where you are from, but the background check system doesn’t really work well in Texas.

The consequence is that mentally unstable people are purchasing firearms easily.

As a former US Marine I’m sure you’re quite used to situations where guns in the hands of the wrong people are involved. Maybe you have even been staring down the barrel of a gun once in a while? Maybe you haven’t.

Anyway, it’s not much fun being in a situation like that. You’re not left with a lot of options but your training eventually puts you in charge of the situation.

Despite background checks, the mentally sick people always seem to have firearms at the ready which they have legally purchased. Why? Records are well known, still they got legal guns. Why?

Because the background check system isn’t working.
 
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Susanna

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Let me clue you in a bit....LAW breakers will BREAK LAWS.......and for the record......I have spent almost 3.5 years of the last 5 in Australia which disarmed it's people in 1992 and has some of the strictest gun laws in the world and every time I am there SOMEONE gets SHOT by a criminal with an ILLEGAL GUN and if not a GUN they use KNIVES like in ENGLAND or MACHETES......there are plenty of LAWS on the books NOW, but they are NOT enforced and CRIMINALS have MORE rights than CITIZENS...start enforcing the laws NOW on the books and EXECUTING people like this in a VERY PUBLIC WAY and see what a difference it makes....

And for the record....a DISARMED people are sitting ducks for evil men with weapons that will break the laws anyway and or for tyrannical governments that enslave the people and become nanny states that write tickets for eating an apple while driving or writing you a ticket if you are on a cell phone while I AM DRIVING or fining you if you walk away more than 10 feet from a car with the keys in it...........

For the record....I am an 80's Marine....I am a law abiding citizen and there is no way in hell that I or any of my friends or family will give up our weapons to a left wing government that legitimizes killing babies, pushes euthanasia, has no problem allowing criminals, drug dealers, Islamic terrorists, or ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS IN and or supports American terrorists like ANTIFA and others to run rough shod over our streets...

Hitler disarmed his people
Stalin disarmed his people
Polpot disarmed his people
Rome disarmed it's people

and the results are obvious.......
Why are you saying all this to me? I’m talking about unstable people. I hear the President is doing the same thing.
 

notuptome

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Why are you using capital letters? Was I yelling at you?

I don’t know where you are from, but the background check system doesn’t really work well in Texas.

The consequence is that mentally unstable people are purchasing firearms easily.

As a former US Marine I’m sure you’re quite used to situations where guns in the hands of the wrong people are involved. Maybe you have even been staring down the barrel of a gun once in a while? Maybe you haven’t.

Anyway, it’s not much fun being in a situation like that. You’re not left with a lot of options but your training eventually puts you in charge of the situation.

Despite background checks, the mentally sick people always seem to have firearms at the ready which they have legally purchased. Why? Records are well known, still they got legal guns. Why?

Because the background check system isn’t working.
Laws Cannot fix spiritual problems. Laws can only enslave the righteous and have no effect on the evil.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Susanna

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You're missing the point. Everyone is screaming build a wall while ignoring the Homegrown terrorists we have right here in our own country
You are right. We’re ignoring them, and have been ignoring them for a long time.
 

calibob

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This also is a result of polarization. "The if you don't join my side you're my enemy mentality that is creeping in around the world. Neo Nazis, Neo Marxists, Maoists, Al Qaida, The Clan, Nation of Islam and Antifa (within the USA) All have very similar violent paranoid ideations. The tactics change and god of choice change with locations and type of propaganda they are exposed to. And lonely, disenfranchised, angry, young single men are the most easy to fall prey to this demonic madness but it's quite real and spreading like cancer.

Young men without a loving, nurturing male role model gravitate to strong authoritative alpha male speech ever if the speakers are mainly full of them selves and hot air. Saddam Hussein was found hiding in a hole in the ground and Bin Laudon tried using a wife as a shield but foolish young people idolize them and go on murderous suicide missions for them. It's neither brave nor logical.

@kaylagrl . Your post got me curious so I looked up some stats. Nearly 1/3 grow of Americans grow up in a single parent house hold and in nearly 2/3 of all, the mother or both parents work. That's not good. Here's the stats in short paragraph form:

NOV. 17, 2016 — The majority of America’s 73.7 million children under age 18 live in families with two parents (69 percent), according to new statistics released today from the U.S. Census Bureau. This is compared to other types of living arrangements, such as living with grandparents or having a single parent.


The second most common family arrangement is children living with a single mother, at 23 percent. These statistics come from the Census Bureau’s annual America’s Families and Living Arrangements table package.

Society has a huge problem. Children need love and discipline. Both in healthy amounts.
 
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Susanna

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Laws Cannot fix spiritual problems. Laws can only enslave the righteous and have no effect on the evil.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
We need laws to keep society somewhat civilized. The El Paso shooter will be taken care of by the legal system in The Great State of Texas and will get what he deserves.
 
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Susanna

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This also is a result of polarization. "The if you don't join my side you're my enemy mentality that is creeping in around the world. Neo Nazis, Neo Marxists, Maoists, Al Qaida, The Clan, Nation of Islam and Antifa (within the USA) All have very similar violent paranoid ideations. The tactics change and god of choice change with locations and type of propaganda they are exposed to. And lonely, disenfranchised, angry, young single men are the most easy to fall prey to this demonic madness but it's quite real and spreading like cancer.

Young men without a loving, nurturing male role model gravitate to strong authoritative alpha male speech ever if the speakers are mainly full of them selves and hot air. Saddam Hussein was found hiding in a hole in the ground and Bin Laudon tried using a wife as a shield but foolish young people idolize them and go on murderous suicide missions for them. It's neither brave nor logical.

@kaylagrl . Your post got me curious so I looked up some stats. Nearly 1/3 grow of Americans grow up in a single parent house hold and in nearly 2/3 of all, the mother or both parents work. That's not good. Here's the stats in short paragraph form:

NOV. 17, 2016 — The majority of America’s 73.7 million children under age 18 live in families with two parents (69 percent), according to new statistics released today from the U.S. Census Bureau. This is compared to other types of living arrangements, such as living with grandparents or having a single parent.


The second most common family arrangement is children living with a single mother, at 23 percent. These statistics come from the Census Bureau’s annual America’s Families and Living Arrangements table package.

Society has a huge problem. Children need love and discipline. Both in healthy amounts.
Yes. You are right.