Israel Declares War

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ThereRoseaLamb

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Interesting question... yes, I believe that Hamas has tried to do that. But I wonder about it because there's like, 10,000 Hamas militants reported to be in Gaza... and like 2.5 million population... and many, many routes out of Gaza, besides the two or so that are considered official.
So the question is, why are the citizens remaining behind?
Why indeed...
 

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just to confirm, you're saying the first portion prophesies 70 AD destruction while the second potion prophesies the destruction of a future temple?
no.

the first is the destruction of the temple in Jesus day

the second one is where the future prince commits the abomination of desolation in the wing of the temple (most holy place)

the temple is not destroyed, it is rendered unclean. so sacrifice and burnt offering must cease. as it did in the day of antiohcus epiphanies when he slit a pigs throat in the most holy place.
 

Yahshua

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It's odd, no one around me has come down with it. I don't I had cold or flu last year. Either way I'm glad to have it over before Thanksgiving dinner. I bought my 20 pound turkey last night. lol
This year went entirely too fast. I'm rebelling against all things fall for at least another week lol


If you get congested, I would buy NeilMed sinus rinse. When I was sick, it was the only thing to give me relief and breathe normally.
I've got it! Great suggestion. To be honest, I was probably thinking I was Mr. Invinsible since I used it often...but this humbled me pretty quickly lol
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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This year went entirely too fast. I'm rebelling against all things fall for at least another week lol

These sellers trying to get us to buy fall in Aug. Hubby and I were just talking about that. Seems they rush every season more and more. I really find it annoying. Let me enjoy things in my own time and stop pushing me to buy already. Ugh!
 

Smoke

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Interesting question... yes, I believe that Hamas has tried to do that. But I wonder about it because there's like, 10,000 Hamas militants reported to be in Gaza... and like 2.5 million population... and many, many routes out of Gaza, besides the two or so that are considered official.
So the question is, why are the citizens remaining behind?
Well, if the figure I read is accurate, they have estimated some 700,000 Palestinians have actually left. That still leave a great many of them. There are probably a multitude of reasons why, but absolutely think terrorists will be terrorists and terrorize people into doing what they say... or else... Nevertheless, we know roughly half the people there are people under 18, should they be obliterated as Hamas?
 

Yahshua

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Herod's father was by descent an Edomite with a Jewish mother; his ancestors had converted to Judaism. Herod was raised as a Jew.

Annnd one can tell I'm on meds, here is the video :rolleyes:

Thanks for sharing the vid. I watched it.

Let me ask a hypothetical to get your take. If I converted to the religion of Judaism tomorrow, should I have an ancient biblical claim to the land as a Jew?
 

Smoke

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I am in a quandary over that situation because I do believe that Hamas does that. But I don't see where the people have tried to expel Hamas. In fact it seems the people rejoice over the deaths of Jews, name streets after those who have killed Jews like they are heroes'. If the people were to turn toward Israel and say they want peace and stand with them as they remove Hamas, then I would stand with them also. It's just, I don't see that happening. BUT if it is then I also stand with the people to rid the terrorists of the land. But I don't believe there will be complete peace until Christs return.
I don't expect children to be able to overthrow Hamas though. The parents probably aren't willing to risk their children's life to do it either.

Let's assume 100% of the Palestinians, including the children, rejoice at the death of Jews... Is bombing them into oblivion an appropriate action in response to their rejoicing over it? In other words, should it carry a death sentence in the same way Hamas terrorists deserve to die?
 

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Well, if the figure I read is accurate, they have estimated some 700,000 Palestinians have actually left. That still leave a great many of them. There are probably a multitude of reasons why, but absolutely think terrorists will be terrorists and terrorize people into doing what they say... or else... Nevertheless, we know roughly half the people there are people under 18, should they be obliterated as Hamas?
I would never say that they "should be" anything, but the point has been made that Israel is at war with Gaza... particularly Hamas in Gaza. And whether or not the citizens of Gaza support Hamas or don't... Hamas has been there for quite a while now. I think there's a certain level of complicity in that. Regardless, throughout history when war comes, people flee... the Palestinians could learn from history what they should do.
 

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I don't expect children to be able to overthrow Hamas though. The parents probably aren't willing to risk their children's life to do it either.

Let's assume 100% of the Palestinians, including the children, rejoice at the death of Jews... Is bombing them into oblivion an appropriate action in response to their rejoicing over it? In other words, should it carry a death sentence in the same way Hamas terrorists deserve to die?
I would say that rejoicing in the actions of Hamas is the same as support. In your scenario, the Palestinian people would then become the enemy too.
 

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These sellers trying to get us to buy fall in Aug. Hubby and I were just talking about that. Seems they rush every season more and more. I really find it annoying. Let me enjoy things in my own time and stop pushing me to buy already. Ugh!
Turn off the TV and the sellers will not be able to push anything on you.
 

Smoke

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I would never say that they "should be" anything, but the point has been made that Israel is at war with Gaza... particularly Hamas in Gaza. And whether or not the citizens of Gaza support Hamas or don't... Hamas has been there for quite a while now. I think there's a certain level of complicity in that. Regardless, throughout history when war comes, people flee... the Palestinians could learn from history what they should do.
What level of complicity is there when half of the population wasn't even alive when it was Fatah vs Hamas? What level of complicity is there for those who are physically stopped by Hamas?

I do agree there is a level of complicitly for Palestinian civilians who genuinely support and defend Hamas. They may not be killing people, but they support it's evil. I'm not sure what percentage of the population that is though. I do know that half are under 18 though.
 

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I would say that rejoicing in the actions of Hamas is the same as support. In your scenario, the Palestinian people would then become the enemy too.
Okay, so is that a clear "yes" that they should die no differently than the Hamas terrorists?
 

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What level of complicity is there when half of the population wasn't even alive when it was Fatah vs Hamas? What level of complicity is there for those who are physically stopped by Hamas?

I do agree there is a level of complicitly for Palestinian civilians who genuinely support and defend Hamas. They may not be killing people, but they support it's evil. I'm not sure what percentage of the population that is though. I do know that half are under 18 though.
The thing is, IMHO, there are things that are worse than dying for a person consider. Truth and righteousness are two that come to mind. If there are any Palestinian people who disagree with Hamas and the obvious harm that they bring upon Gaza, then I think it's their duty, to God, to fight against that injustice

Hamas has been the only voice coming out of Palestine for a long time now... where are the Palestinians that would be freedom fighters against the oppression of Hamas?
 

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I don't expect children to be able to overthrow Hamas though. The parents probably aren't willing to risk their children's life to do it either.
But the problem is it's happening either way. If they took arms with Israel they would gain peace a lot faster. Their children could live in peace. Israel has already proven they want peace and are willing to negotiate.


Let's assume 100% of the Palestinians, including the children,
I don't children responsible, nor do I God does till a certain age.



rejoice at the death of Jews... Is bombing them into oblivion an appropriate action in response to their rejoicing over it? In other words, should it carry a death sentence in the same way Hamas terrorists deserve to die?
But that is not what Israel is doing, that is not their intent. They are doing all they can to keep civilians from harm.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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The thing is, IMHO, there are things that are worse than dying for a person consider. Truth and righteousness are two that come to mind. If there are any Palestinian people who disagree with Hamas and the obvious harm that they bring upon Gaza, then I think it's their duty, to God, to fight against that injustice

Hamas has been the only voice coming out of Palestine for a long time now... where are the Palestinians that would be freedom fighters against the oppression of Hamas?

Protesters are safe here but they are still standing on the side of Hamas. You've you asked a good question.
 

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The thing is, IMHO, there are things that are worse than dying for a person consider. Truth and righteousness are two that come to mind. If there are any Palestinian people who disagree with Hamas and the obvious harm that they bring upon Gaza, then I think it's their duty, to God, to fight against that injustice

Hamas has been the only voice coming out of Palestine for a long time now... where are the Palestinians that would be freedom fighters against the oppression of Hamas?
Right, do you expect armless children to do the bulk of the fighting against Hamas?

My guess is the Palestinian freedom fighters who oppose Hamas are either dead or locked up (a prison inside of a prison) along with their families. I've ready stories of such people who were more brave that I could ever hope to be to be defiant and oppose the Hamas terroristic government. But what do you really expect them to do? Could Jews free themselves in concentration camps against their German oppressors? Of course not. Would you advocate for blowing up concentration camps targeting the Nazis but knowing you were going to end up killing more Jews than Nazis? That would be insane to blow up people in an effort to save them.

I think that just goes to show there is not a priority to save Palestinian children, but to kill Hamas terrorist at all cost. It's as if human life is suddenly not so sacred.
 

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But that is not what Israel is doing, that is not their intent. They are doing all they can to keep civilians from harm.
You're half correct and half incorrect.

Israel IS blowing up Palestinian children in spite of it supposedly not being their intent. Have you ever heard this quote? "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." If blowing their homes up is "all they can [do] to keep civilians from harm", I would hate to see what they are capable of doing if they were actually trying to kill them. :oops::oops::oops:

Could we agree that consequences happen regardless of our intentions? What do you think the consequences are when you blow up a small piece of land targeting 50,000 Hamas terrorists who live within 2+ million Palestinian civilians? Who is more likely to die?