How China is Dealing With COVID Through a Leaked Video

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ZNP

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The fact that other countries implement an open policy does not mean that the China will overthrow the regime of other countries.

We can't manage the affairs of other countries,But we will try our best to stop the spread of the virus, because it is related to the safety of many people's lives.
The Covid19 virus originated in Wuhan and went on to "terrorize the whole world". What happens in China will and does impact the whole world.

Likewise the policies impact the whole world. Already the US is talking about a social credit score, a policy developed in China.

This morning Russia announced on their national TV that WWIII had begun because they are claiming their warship was sunk with weapons systems from NATO, China is supporting Russia in this war. This will impact the entire world.

This is what it means to be a superpower, the whole world is concerned about the actions you take. 70 years ago China could claim that the policies they were enacting did not effect the rest of the world, but no longer.
 

soberxp

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The Covid19 virus originated in Wuhan and went on to "terrorize the whole world". What happens in China will and does impact the whole world.

Likewise the policies impact the whole world. Already the US is talking about a social credit score, a policy developed in China.

This morning Russia announced on their national TV that WWIII had begun because they are claiming their warship was sunk with weapons systems from NATO, China is supporting Russia in this war. This will impact the entire world.

This is what it means to be a superpower, the whole world is concerned about the actions you take. 70 years ago China could claim that the policies they were enacting did not effect the rest of the world, but no longer.
If China's policy is good, there will certainly be other countries willing to learn. For example, free testing COVID-19,This is the policy first proposed by China.

The United States adopted the open policy because it was worried about economic problems, and China would also consider economic problems. However, China believes that only by stopping the spread of the virus can the economy develop as normally.
 

ZNP

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If China's policy is good, there will certainly be other countries willing to learn. For example, free testing COVID-19,This is the policy first proposed by China.

The United States adopted the open policy because it was worried about economic problems, and China would also consider economic problems. However, China believes that only by stopping the spread of the virus can the economy develop as normally.
The issue is whether or not we should pay attention to what China is doing. You said it was something we didn't need to concern ourselves with and to focus on reading the Bible. How could anyone learn from China or even know if their approach is working if we don't pay attention to it?
 

soberxp

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Zechariah 8:14-17 These are the things that you are to do.

14 This is what the Lord Almighty says: “Just as I had determined to bring disaster on you and showed no pity when your ancestors angered me,” says the Lord Almighty, 15 “so now I have determined to do good again to Jerusalem and Judah. Do not be afraid. 16 These are the things you are to do: Speak the truth to each other, and render true and sound judgment in your courts; 17 do not plot evil against each other, and do not love to swear falsely. I hate all this,” declares the Lord.

Everyone makes it seem like there are so many different theories on what we should do that it is just impossible to know the best course. Universal healthcare or corporate healthcare? Border wall or no border wall? Lockdown like China or keep open like Florida. But they are missing the whole point, what you really need to do is speak truth to each other. Do you really want universal healthcare? OK, this is what it will really cost and this is what it will really be like. Pelosi makes a big stink over the wall costing $5 billion dollars and yet in the first 100 days of Biden’s presidency he spends $3 billion on undocumented aliens entering our Southern border and she says nothing. It all begins with speaking truth. The MeToo movement was up in arms about a woman making an unsubstantiated accusation against Kavanaugh. Many high profile senators were claiming that we need to believe all women. Then ten women come forward against Cuomo and they are silent. Not about something he did over twenty years ago in high school but about what he did as governor. All you hear from these same pompous liars is crickets. Three women came forward against Joe Biden, even Kamala Harris said she believed them right up until she was chosen as his running mate. First and foremost speak truth. You think you have the best approach to shutting down the spread of the virus, well let's look at the data and see who actually did. In the US it was Florida and in the world it was Taiwan. Neither one locked down their economy.

Then you have to render true and sound judgement. The Chauvin trial was stunning. Prominent government officials threatening jurors publicly to make a guilty verdict. The jurors were so scared they found him guilty of three different kinds of murder all at the same time for the same murder! We know that some of the jurors lied to get on the jury. By any standard of justice this was a mistrial. They are taking people who are guilty of misdemeanor trespassing on January 6th and putting them into solitary confinement and allowing them to be beaten and abused in prison. George Floyd’s family is awarded millions of dollars in a settlement for his wrongful death and yet Ashli Babbit’s family cannot even know who it was that shot her or even ask questions. George Floyd had a criminal record and had committed several felonies at the time of his arrest, Ashli Babbit did not have a criminal record and at the time was guilty of trespassing, a misdemeanor. She did not have a weapon, nor was she threatening to harm anyone. Maybe China is actually trying to control the spread of a virus as they say, or perhaps they are making a statement to the Chinese people, do not question our rule or we will crush you. But surely we should be paying attention.

Judge righteous judgement, that is not the same thing as mob rule. If you do those two things then it will go a long way to dealing with those who plot evil against one another. The US has had a number of evil plots, JFK assassination, 9/11, and the reason we went to war in Vietnam were all evil plots. War is very profitable for some, you can understand why they like war, it brings them huge government contracts. So we should not naively think that no one would intentionally provoke a war just because we don’t like war. We don’t like it because our kids go and die and we have to pay for the cost with our taxes. The rich elites who profit from war do not send their kids to fight and the money they make far outweighs the tax they pay. If you are going to deal with evil plots then you can’t be naive. The evidence is mounting that the pandemic was a plandemic, a bioweapon, and an act of war. The Steel dossier was an evil plot and the great number of Americans who fell for it demonstrates how naive we are.

Finally don’t swear falsely. We are discovering falsehoods everywhere. Joe Biden swore that his family would not have business dealings with the CCP, that was false. Kamala Harris swore that if we elected her she would put an end to the human rights abuses at our border, that was false. The FISA warrants on Trump’s campaign were gotten from those who swore falsely. The claims made about the Pandemic were falsehoods.
China has also built a similar wall on the southern border, so the United States may still be learning from China, but China will do things silently.
I don't trust American politicians. It's hard for them to be honest.
American politicians like to talk about China all day, but don't do some practical things. It seems that the all problem of the United States can be solved after defeating China.
China's leaders are much more mature than before. Of course, they may have many shortcomings, but at least they will not talk empty words, but actually do something.
 

soberxp

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The issue is whether or not we should pay attention to what China is doing. You said it was something we didn't need to concern ourselves with and to focus on reading the Bible. How could anyone learn from China or even know if their approach is working if we don't pay attention to it?
I agree with you. Maybe you understand me wrong. Or maybe it's because the information you get is mixed with lies.As you said,to be honest.
 

ZNP

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China has also built a similar wall on the southern border, so the United States may still be learning from China, but China will do things silently.
I don't trust American politicians. It's hard for them to be honest.
American politicians like to talk about China all day, but don't do some practical things. It seems that the all problem of the United States can be solved after defeating China.
China's leaders are much more mature than before. Of course, they may have many shortcomings, but at least they will not talk empty words, but actually do something.
The difference between a totalitarian regime and a pseudo democracy is that in a pseudo democracy they have the illusion of popular support by manipulating the populace. This is why they do false flag events. There is no reason for a dictator to do a false flag event. They also create rumors of war to convince the populace to give them more powers, again unnecessary for a dictator. So yes, the CCP will now appear to be more honest, straightforward and trustworthy.

The US is being exposed as liars because they want to keep the illusion of being a democracy and that lie is being exposed.
 

soberxp

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The difference between a totalitarian regime and a pseudo democracy is that in a pseudo democracy they have the illusion of popular support by manipulating the populace. This is why they do false flag events. There is no reason for a dictator to do a false flag event. They also create rumors of war to convince the populace to give them more powers, again unnecessary for a dictator. So yes, the CCP will now appear to be more honest, straightforward and trustworthy.

The US is being exposed as liars because they want to keep the illusion of being a democracy and that lie is being exposed.
Pray for them,I also pray for them,may God guide them in a honest way.

China does not support Russia to launch a war, but because the United States is more hostile to China in recent years, China needs Russia as a strategic buffer.

In China's view, the Ukrainian war,

The war in Ukraine is that the United States deliberately let Russia appear as an enemy in order to control its European allies. The United States is manipulating Ukraine's policy. Many Ukrainian leaders actually come from the United States. The United States manipulated Ukraine and drove Russia crazy. Russia finally chose the path of war.
 

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You both have valid points. China's seriously flawed quarantine procedures and preventing the spread is the virus. There are much much worse videos I could have posted on people committing suicide in China due the the lock down, children screaming as they are being separated from their parents, but I chose not to.
 

ZNP

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An alternate theory

Shanghai is the busiest port in the world. Shutting it down will effectively remove the biggest link in the supply chain. We have already seen that people trying to get new tires for trucks can wait 6 months, I heard that Anderson windows now have a waiting time of 60 months! So even though the entire car, truck or house may not come from China, just one critical component can cause that project to come to a screeching halt. Now imagine you have many trucks in great demand, many truck drivers who want to work but because you can't get some part that truck can't run and as a result you have other big shortages because you can't deliver those goods.

Many goods will be destroyed if it takes an extra month to be delivered, they are "perishable" and that in turn will cause massive shortages, particularly of "perishable goods" like food.

My theory is that the shutdown of Shanghai under the pretense of Covid lockdown is actually a way of putting sanctions on America without actually saying that is what you are doing. An act of war that is not declared. We know that China wants to take Taiwan and that they are supporting Russia. We also know that this shutdown of Shanghai will impact the western nations the most, particularly the US.
 
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kaylagrl

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I'm just suggesting.
The Bible doesn't teach people how to overthrow the regime. If so, Jesus will let the Jews overthrow the Roman regime.

Your unwillingness to isolate to control the spread of the virus does not mean that we Chinese are unwilling.

So Hitler should have simply been left to his own devices to wipe out the Jewish race?! The Chinese are staving to death under these lock downs. Or have you not seen the video of people crying out, stuck in their home begging for food. The Chinese are under an utterly corrupt system that are doing the same as Hitler did. They are taking people away to camps and women are being abused and raped. If ever a "regime" needed to be overthrown it's China. We just don't have a man in office that can do it.
 
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The fact that other countries implement an open policy does not mean that the China will overthrow the regime of other countries.

We can't manage the affairs of other countries,But we will try our best to stop the spread of the virus, because it is related to the safety of many people's lives.

China doesn't care about lives. This came from China in the first place. The gov't knew people were infected and still let them travel. If China cared about lives they'd come clean with all this COVID information. They aren't stopping the virus, it's been back in different variants how many times? Lock downs don't work, when you come back out, it's going to spread again. smh You can't stay locked down forever. Until China comes clean with what they unleashed on the world I think they should be ostracized and America should have nothing to do with them.
 

soberxp

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So Hitler should have simply been left to his own devices to wipe out the Jewish race?! The Chinese are staving to death under these lock downs. Or have you not seen the video of people crying out, stuck in their home begging for food. The Chinese are under an utterly corrupt system that are doing the same as Hitler did. They are taking people away to camps and women are being abused and raped. If ever a "regime" needed to be overthrown it's China. We just don't have a man in office that can do it.
When can you understand the Chinese language? Should the video be in Chinese?

During the lockdown of the city, the government will distribute food to us, It's free. I don't know what the people in the video are like. It may be that office workers usually don't have the habit of storing food and order takeout, so there is no food at home during the lockdown of the city. There are community newsletters to buy food.
If you can't, you can ask your neighbors to borrow some food, or call the government department to respond to the situation.
 

soberxp

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. They are taking people away to camps and women are being abused and raped..

Be careful what you say. You will be responsible for it. Spreading rumors and lies is not what a Christian should do.
 
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kaylagrl

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Be careful what you say. You will be responsible for it. Spreading rumors and lies is not what a Christian should do.
That is not a lie. I don't expect your gov't would tell you the truth. So I don't blame you. But that is the truth and the world knows it. The Uyghurs are being sent to camps and exterminated. But what does one expect from a Communist country.
 
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kaylagrl

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When can you understand the Chinese language? Should the video be in Chinese?

During the lockdown of the city, the government will distribute food to us, It's free. I don't know what the people in the video are like. It may be that office workers usually don't have the habit of storing food and order takeout, so there is no food at home during the lockdown of the city. There are community newsletters to buy food.
If you can't, you can ask your neighbors to borrow some food, or call the government department to respond to the situation.

It has been verified, all the news stations here have shared these videos. No it shouldn't have to be Chinese. We have news from all over the world that isn't in the exact language of the country the news comes from, like Ukraine. Yet we still know what is happening there. The following is not the video the world news is sharing, but this is one I found.

 

soberxp

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That is not a lie. I don't expect your gov't would tell you the truth. So I don't blame you. But that is the truth and the world knows it. The Uyghurs are being sent to camps and exterminated. But what does one expect from a Communist country.
Don't waste your sense of justice on things that don't exist at all.
There are many Uighurs in my city, even in Shanghai. They do business and work normally. No one catches them to the concentration camp. If really so, they will unite to rebel.
Uighurs are very united. If the Han people dared to do so, they would have unite to rebel long ago.

Believe it or not.
 
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kaylagrl

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China has also built a similar wall on the southern border, so the United States may still be learning from China, but China will do things silently.
I don't trust American politicians. It's hard for them to be honest.
American politicians like to talk about China all day, but don't do some practical things. It seems that the all problem of the United States can be solved after defeating China.
China's leaders are much more mature than before. Of course, they may have many shortcomings, but at least they will not talk empty words, but actually do something.
China is communist, if they open their mouths, they are lying.
 
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kaylagrl

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Don't waste your sense of justice on things that don't exist at all.
There are many Uighurs in my city, even in Shanghai. They do business and work normally. No one catches them to the concentration camp. If really so, they will unite to rebel.
Uighurs are very united. If the Han people dared to do so, they would have unite to rebel long ago.

Believe it or not.
No, I don't believe it. I don't believe communists. The world knows what China is doing. There is proof.
 

soberxp

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China is communist, if they open their mouths, they are lying.
This is a cold war idea. You just want to hate for hatred. It's up to you.
God will judge every word.
If the person who spreads lies is not afraid, wait for his judgement! I mean politicians, you're just being used and brainwashed by the politicians.

If China really has serious problems, I certainly hope the United States can just stand up and tell the truth.


But now this kind of America is not what I expected..
 

PennEd

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I don't get this hard lockdown in China

Suppose the incubation period for this disease is 3 days. I get that you would do a hard lockdown for 3 days and then only those who don't have a fever or symptoms could go to the grocery store. Perhaps that would be effective at slowing the spread like a speed bump.

I don't get this hard lockdown for weeks turning your entire city into a hellscape and terrorizing the whole world with a Chinese regime.

Also, if you were concerned about a health crisis why not distribute things like HCQ, Quercetin, Zinc, Vitamin D and C during this 3 day hard lockdown?

After all the best immunity is for those who recover, so promoting a robust immune system would help you bounce back the quickest.

Now I get that the thing the CCP fears the most is the people rising up to throw them out of power. But this demonstration of abusive power will not cause people to fear you but rather to realize that in order to survive they will have to throw you out of power. What everyone is seeing in Shanghai is galvanizing the world against the CCP.
From an article I read:

  1. The CCP is simply trying to usurp more power
  2. There’s something about Covid that China knows that the rest of the world still doesn’t know
  3. China is looking for an excuse to slow its production to put pressure on the Western world at a time when it is trying to separate further, economically, from the West