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"Repent or else." Obviously its wrong what the people did to the guy holding the sign, but was the man holding the sign in the right? He is presenting the gospel as a threat, "repent or else." That is not the Good News, or the way it should be presented. Jesus didn't come to condemn the world, but save it. He's pulling out an ultimatum instead of a life line. Its not "repent or else" its "Jesus loves you" or "God doesn't condemn you." That would make them come over and say, "Whats this no condemnation about? All the Christians over there say god hates me and I'm going to hell." Present them the love of God, His goodness, not wrath and judgement. The world has already been JUDGED! Its at the cross people, and Jesus took the sins of the world! That is why the Holy Spirit doesn't convict them of their sins, but sin, in the singular. What is that sin? Disbelief in Jesus Christ and His finished work! God loves homosexuals and God loves you. That's grace and that's the Gospel.
How many homosexuals do you know? Are they all like that or is it SOME? (I know far more then you are likely to ever know and that is not true of all)
By the way where is the SAME COMPASSION that Christ showed you? If not for God's MERCY you all would end up in the VERY SAME PLACE. The end result for all sin is to be cast INTO the the lake of fire.
How often is what Jesus said so often FORGOTTEN in all of this
Luke 6
27 “But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29 If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. 30 Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. 31 Do to others as you would have them do to you.
32 “If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them.33 And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that.34 And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, expecting to be repaid in full. 35 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. 36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.
Matthew 5
7 Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
Matthew 9
9 As Jesus went on from there, he saw a man named Matthew sitting at the tax collector’s booth. “Follow me,” he told him, and Matthew got up and followed him.
10 While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples. 11 When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”
12 On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 13 But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’[a] For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”
By the way where is the SAME COMPASSION that Christ showed you? If not for God's MERCY you all would end up in the VERY SAME PLACE. The end result for all sin is to be cast INTO the the lake of fire.
How often is what Jesus said so often FORGOTTEN in all of this
Luke 6
27 “But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29 If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. 30 Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. 31 Do to others as you would have them do to you.
32 “If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them.33 And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that.34 And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, expecting to be repaid in full. 35 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. 36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.
Matthew 5
7 Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
Matthew 9
9 As Jesus went on from there, he saw a man named Matthew sitting at the tax collector’s booth. “Follow me,” he told him, and Matthew got up and followed him.
10 While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples. 11 When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”
12 On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 13 But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’[a] For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”
going on
Luke 6
37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.38 Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”
39 He also told them this parable: “Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into a pit? 40 The student is not above the teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like their teacher.
41“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 42 How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
Matthew 18
21Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?”
22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.[g]
23 “Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24 As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand bags of gold[h] was brought to him. 25 Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt.
26 “At this the servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ 27 The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.
28 “But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins.[i] He grabbed him and began to choke him. ‘Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded.
29 “His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay it back.’
30 “But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt.31 When the other servants saw what had happened, they were outraged and went and told their master everything that had happened.
32 “Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33 Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’34 In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.
35 “This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.”
Matthew 23
23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24 You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
Luke 6
37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.38 Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”
39 He also told them this parable: “Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into a pit? 40 The student is not above the teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like their teacher.
41“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 42 How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
Matthew 18
21Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?”
22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.[g]
23 “Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24 As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand bags of gold[h] was brought to him. 25 Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt.
26 “At this the servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ 27 The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.
28 “But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins.[i] He grabbed him and began to choke him. ‘Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded.
29 “His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay it back.’
30 “But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt.31 When the other servants saw what had happened, they were outraged and went and told their master everything that had happened.
32 “Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33 Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’34 In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.
35 “This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.”
Matthew 23
23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24 You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
going on
So what did the apostles write?
James 2
12 Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom,13 because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.
1 Peter 1
3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,4 and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you,5 who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.
Colossians 3
12Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. 13 Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. 14 And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.
2 Peter 39 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
Titus 3
3At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. 4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life. 8 This is a trustworthy saying. And I want you to stress these things, so that those who have trusted in God may be careful to devote themselves to doing what is good. These things are excellent and profitable for everyone.
So what did the apostles write?
James 2
12 Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom,13 because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.
1 Peter 1
3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,4 and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you,5 who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.
Colossians 3
12Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. 13 Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. 14 And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.
2 Peter 39 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
Titus 3
3At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. 4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life. 8 This is a trustworthy saying. And I want you to stress these things, so that those who have trusted in God may be careful to devote themselves to doing what is good. These things are excellent and profitable for everyone.
Going on
Do you think God was trying to give us a hint if you look at all of our Bible heroes that we so often want to put up on a pedestal? Abraham was liar,Moses was murderer,David was an adulterer,a murderer and then he tried to use deception to cover up his sins. The disciples were all cowards,Peter denied the Lord three times. Jonah wanted Nineveh to be destroyed,which is why he didn't want to go. Then he has the gall to rebuke the Lord for SHOWING MERCY to Nineveh. (Remember Nineveh was extremely wicked) And to top it all off the man who wrote the biggest portion of the Bible was a MASS MURDERER. You think maybe God is trying to tell us something? Do you think was telling so clearly that God's way is LOVE and MERCY?
Some days the attitude that comes from many is "We don't want your kind in heaven with us,because you are UNCLEAN" which is nothing more then the very attitude that the Pharisees had.
Do you think God was trying to give us a hint if you look at all of our Bible heroes that we so often want to put up on a pedestal? Abraham was liar,Moses was murderer,David was an adulterer,a murderer and then he tried to use deception to cover up his sins. The disciples were all cowards,Peter denied the Lord three times. Jonah wanted Nineveh to be destroyed,which is why he didn't want to go. Then he has the gall to rebuke the Lord for SHOWING MERCY to Nineveh. (Remember Nineveh was extremely wicked) And to top it all off the man who wrote the biggest portion of the Bible was a MASS MURDERER. You think maybe God is trying to tell us something? Do you think was telling so clearly that God's way is LOVE and MERCY?
Some days the attitude that comes from many is "We don't want your kind in heaven with us,because you are UNCLEAN" which is nothing more then the very attitude that the Pharisees had.
If most would get through their head that THEY too are the Samaritan woman,the woman caught in adultery,the thief on the cross,the people from Nineveh,etc and they would treat homosexuals in the same many more of them would be saved,because they would see Jesus in the lives of the believers,and the NOT the hypocrisy that is way too often seen by them. (That is the biggest reason why most of them have a problem with so called Christians that DO NOT show the love of Christ)
K
I would think that we Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's. Matthew 22:21. In these cases, when a company opens its doors to a business, they are open to the public. There is no sign on the door restricting their services to only Christians or to just the sect the owner wishes to serve. They serve all. In the U.S.A it's the law, and unless the patron is being disruptive or can't pay for their service, the owner doesn't have a right to refuse their service.
It's understandable that a Christian owner might not want to serve a wedding cake to a gay couple but the argument that their lifestyle is something the Christian disagrees with is not grounds according to LAW. The Christian owner made that pact with the government when he opened his store for service.
It's understandable that a Christian owner might not want to serve a wedding cake to a gay couple but the argument that their lifestyle is something the Christian disagrees with is not grounds according to LAW. The Christian owner made that pact with the government when he opened his store for service.
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Exactly. Homosexuals sought to deprive them of their freedom of speech which is a human right under natural law and a Constitutionally protected right by assaulting them... behavior which is the very antithesis of tolerance.
Homosexuals speak of tolerance, liberty, etc... except with regard to those who exercise an opinion they find objectionable. Then they seek to use the government to severely persecute them, have them fired from their job, etc... if they don't just outright physically assault them first.
There is nothing tolerant about homosexuals in my observations when it comes to those who do not share their views.
Homosexuals speak of tolerance, liberty, etc... except with regard to those who exercise an opinion they find objectionable. Then they seek to use the government to severely persecute them, have them fired from their job, etc... if they don't just outright physically assault them first.
There is nothing tolerant about homosexuals in my observations when it comes to those who do not share their views.
Unfortunately I have to disagree with your broad generalization here, it smacks of the same error as the homosexual community painting all of Christianity with the broad brush of Westborough Baptist.
I've known my share of persons who were active in the homosexual lifestyle in my years and by far most of them were content to quietly live their lives without being activists for the agenda that is being shoved down society's throat. Those that I've known were aware of my personal convictions but they were also aware that although I didn't agree with their moral choices, that I didn't think of them as a lesser person than myself.
I've known my share of persons who were active in the homosexual lifestyle in my years and by far most of them were content to quietly live their lives without being activists for the agenda that is being shoved down society's throat. Those that I've known were aware of my personal convictions but they were also aware that although I didn't agree with their moral choices, that I didn't think of them as a lesser person than myself.
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The homosexuals I've encountered are malicious, immoral, selfish people who would happily use the government to imprison and bankrupt you while sending the most hateful threats and harassing your vendors if you owned a small business and refused to facilitate a homosexual event or see you fired from your position if you expressed a viewpoint contradictory to their own.
The ones you've encountered may be living quietly and politely but they punch holes in cards in the voting booth to severely persecute Christians and their families who won't violate God's morality and facilitate immorality when ordered to do so.
Because they, as people choosing to engage in homosexuality, DO vote for the homosexual agenda: they are shoving it down the throats of Christians despite you never recognizing that they are.
The ones you've encountered may be living quietly and politely but they punch holes in cards in the voting booth to severely persecute Christians and their families who won't violate God's morality and facilitate immorality when ordered to do so.
Because they, as people choosing to engage in homosexuality, DO vote for the homosexual agenda: they are shoving it down the throats of Christians despite you never recognizing that they are.
