The Question of Homosexuality: Sin or Safe Bet?

[Hungry]

True but, chastity was required, and sex out of wedlock forbidden. 1+1 = 2 after all

That’s not sex. She wouldn’t be “deflowered”. I don’t know what happened after the women were married. All I can tell you is that if the women wanted to enjoy each others company there isn’t a law that forbids it. It often says about being with father’s or uncle’s wife then you have uncovered the men’s nakedness. It doesn’t forbid women seeing eachother naked, or a man seeing a non-relative woman naked. My whole point wasn’t to debate what we can get away with sexually. There just seems to be some wiggle room in the Law for what today would be considered sinful.

 

[Funkus]

they wont shut up, Satan started an advertising campaign for them sometime ago, to justify there lifestyle choice, with the help of evil leaders and the mainstream media, he is succeeding . Now its not unusual to see in my city of 100,00 to see men in warm embraces downtown, and one young guy in particular wearing women's clothes and high heel shoes! The deception has worked.

its more than this, they want a marxist state in it's entirety, pretty this is all political. its a class war which does not ultimately care about the minorities its leveraging to start its communist revolution

 

[Reformyourself]

The question of homosexuality is a very touchy topic in this day and age. In our community, it begs the question of if such behavior is sinful. The research I have conducted points to the conclusion that homosexuality is, in fact, a sin.

Before I explain why I have been lead to believe this, I must make a disclaimer. The ideas following this have zero intention to strip these individuals of their humanity or rights, I am just exploring what I have discovered regarding this topic. If I have made an error in judgment of any sort, please point it out so that I may take it into consideration, and either better explain my thoughts or correct my view.

To begin, we will start with one of the very first mentions of homosexuality in the Bible, Leviticus 18 & 20. (There is a mention in Genesis, in the tale of Sodom, but that includes many other issues that become interlined and bring more harm than good in this argument). Leviticus 18:22 states "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.", and Leviticus 20:13 states "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.". Now, these passages are quite obviously very clear cut in what they state. Despite this, many people have argued that this passage comes from a now irrelevant book of laws, and cannot any longer be applied. However, the only pieces of the Bible that are to no longer be adhered to are those that God and Jesus specifically stated are no longer applicable after our salvation through Him. (i.e. clean/unclean animals in Peter's dream).

However, if the conflict with the book of laws is too much of an issue, there is a verse in the new testament from Paul, which is an even better example.

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." - 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. No explanation will help this verse, it's about as clear as it gets. Paul states that God does not condone homosexuality.

Another verse by Paul with the same statement:
The law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, men who practise homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine. - 1 Timothy. 1:9-10


I have made my judgment based largely off of these three verses. Two other verses with this in it (while they have more confusing factors and are not as useful) are Romans 1:18 - 32, and Genesis 19.

I had a gay friend who was searching for The Lord/church/salvation etc. He said ‘what about the gay thing, I’m not practicing, but...’ I told him that he had more self control than most Christians (including me) and that The Lord would deal with it. he moved away & We lost touch, but I’m convinced that he was on the right track.

 

[jaybird88]

why would there be a "question" of homosexuality? are there people out there that think it is not a sin? im not understanding how there could be any grey areas with this subject?

is it ok to murder every once in a while? is it a sin for a Christian to worship other gods?

 

[oldethennew]

jay,
are you being naïve or what???
the scriptures 'plainly tells us what the RULES are' -
and thus we have the adversary=satan, again telling all
who are in confusion',
that (sin-is-not-sin)...

 

[Magenta]

That’s not sex. She wouldn’t be “deflowered”. I don’t know what happened after the women were married. All I can tell you is that if the women wanted to enjoy each others company there isn’t a law that forbids it. It often says about being with father’s or uncle’s wife then you have uncovered the men’s nakedness. It doesn’t forbid women seeing eachother naked, or a man seeing a non-relative woman naked. My whole point wasn’t to debate what we can get away with sexually. There just seems to be some wiggle room in the Law for what today would be considered sinful.

Lesbianism is still spoken against in Scripture, and equated with man-on-man relations:

Romans 1:26-27
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Homosexuality is either/or, not just male with male.

 

[Hungry]

Lesbianism is still spoken against in Scripture, and equated with man-on-man relations:

Romans 1:26-27
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Homosexuality is either/or, not just male with male.

Do you find it interesting that men received the full penalty for their error? No penalty for the women...hmmm?

 

[Magenta]

Do you find it interesting that men received the full penalty for their error? No penalty for the women...hmmm?

Hmmm, yes, though indulging shameful lusts can be forgiven, it is still prudent to control one's self.

Perhaps menstruation and increased pain during childbirth were considered enough of a curse?

Though Scripture is mostly written by men about men, it does include women.

And homosex applies equally to men and women. The sexually immoral,
nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality...
will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Do you not think lesbianism is immoral behavior?

 

[Hungry]

Hmmm, yes, though indulging shameful lusts can be forgiven, it is still prudent to control one's self.

Perhaps menstruation and increased pain during childbirth were considered enough of a curse?

Though Scripture is mostly written by men about men, it does include women.

And homosex applies equally to men and women. The sexually immoral,
nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality...
will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Do you not think lesbianism is immoral behavior?

I think it’s interesting that there aren’t laws against it. Women were forbidden to bend over in front of an animal but no mention about touching eachother. Polygamy was perfectly legitimate. I don’t think the transformed individual should be slave to the flesh. Also I don’t think we should rebuke Christians and especially non-Christians for actions never rebuked by God. As a dude I can fully understand why a woman would be tempted to share a bed with a woman over a smelly, hairy, lumpy dude. Makes perfect sense to me.

 

[garee]

I'm sure we agree but what is the homosexuals rights?

Christians do not have rights they have a responsibilities to hear and do as the Holy Spirit works in them with them to both will and do his good purpose. Some murmur demanding rights. Anything that is not of the faith of Christ as it is written is sin .To include denying the responsibly to do the will.

 

[garee]

Hmmm, yes, though indulging shameful lusts can be forgiven, it is still prudent to control one's self.

Perhaps menstruation and increased pain during childbirth were considered enough of a curse?

Though Scripture is mostly written by men about men, it does include women.

And homosex applies equally to men and women. The sexually immoral,
nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality...
will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Do you not think lesbianism is immoral behavior?

I think the use of the word men represents mankind .

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Bible study question for all? What is the difference in sin of a Born-again believer who has not broken the bondage of pornography vs. a Born-again believer who has not broken the bondage of homosexuality? Are they cleansed by the Blood of Jesus? Does the Word of God washes their defilement daily?

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Christians do not have rights they have a responsibilities to hear and do as the Holy Spirit works in them with them to both will and do his good purpose. Some murmur demanding rights. Anything that is not of the faith of Christ as it is written is sin .To include denying the responsibly to do the will.

Rights are self evident as natural law. They are designed in creation. You cannot choose them, rewrite them, take them away, because they just are. They are of God and created in us all. Take the big 3 right to life, liberty, and property. All are Biblical and self evidently defended.

 

[Lanolin]

women didnt have. any right to property until 3 brotherless sisters petitioned Moses that they could inherit.
so I dont think it was self evident, well it wasnt to anyone before that.

However if the three sisters hadnt spoken up no female would have gotten any inheritance.

 

[Lanolin]

see Numbers 26 and 36 the daughters of Zelopehed.

I dont know if they then married inside their tribal clan, to keep the land in their own tribe. but they couldnt marry out or they would lose it.

 

[Lanolin]

supposedly land was shared in marriages but its well known many married women were treated AS property by men. Not as guardians in their own right.

 

[1sunrise]

I don't see it as touchy. Its not what man thinks about it. The word GOD says its a sin. And it would seem as if its a major sin yet its so close to God because MAN + WOMAN become one. The only way Children are born.

Yet we all know we can get stuck in some sin. So people can be stuck in homosexuality. The sin is when you say its not and then do it freely.. like ANY other sin. You know you can LOVE anyone. the bed room... yes.. married man woman can do anything. But same sex.. that is a sin. We don't get a say in this. He can set you free. So that desire for the same sex is gone forever. Seen it happen so many times.

QUOTE="Blade, post: 4281545, member: 291391"]I don't see it as touchy. Its not what man thinks about it. The word GOD says its a sin. And it would seem as if its a major sin yet its so close to God because MAN + WOMAN become one. The only way Children are born.

Yet we all know we can get stuck in some sin. So people can be stuck in homosexuality. The sin is when you say its not and then do it freely.. like ANY other sin. You know you can LOVE anyone. the bed room... yes.. married man woman can do anything. But same sex.. that is a sin. We don't get a say in this. He can set you free. So that desire for the same sex is gone forever. Seen it happen so many times.[/QUOTE]
Not all men and women can have children. Many heterosexuals spread HIV as well and have perverted sex. Homosexuals know those things. There are Christians who believe God have created homosexuals the way they are in mother's womb. They get accepted and supported in churches without expectation of any kind of change. Gay marriage and creating family becomes more and more common than before. I've been Christian around 2 months and looking for church or community in Oslo that match with my religious beliefs. Some Christian organizations walk in gay parade to support their rights.
Homosexuality isn't accepted by God but through Jesus they can get saved. Firs step is stop sinning and seek God

 

[Prycejosh1987]

The question of homosexuality is a very touchy topic in this day and age. In our community, it begs the question of if such behavior is sinful. The research I have conducted points to the conclusion that homosexuality is, in fact, a sin.

If people are unwilling to give up the homosexual lifestyle then they are worthy to enter into Gods rest. We must submit to God do his will. Exchanging a man for a woman is not much of a problem, because the person can make the partner grow on them over time.