Christians response to gay marriage?

[Dude653]

Abstract
The secular purpose rule, one prong of the Supreme Court's interpretation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, requires that government action be justified by a primary, genuine secular purpose. Government actions supported only by religious beliefs, therefore, are unconstitutional. A debate about the morality of the secular purpose rule has emerged, with the main arguments tending to view religious beliefs as either permissible or impermissible. This Note argues that rather than decide purely for or against the secular purpose rule, courts should maintain the current status quo, which is underenforcement of the rule. To justify this approach to resolving the secular purpose debate, this Note analyzes common arguments made for and against the rule, and distills each argument to its core animating political value. The arguments against the secular purpose rule are motivated by the value of political access, while arguments for the secular purpose rule are motivated by the value of political legitimacy. Underenforcement creates equilibrium between these political values. Some may worry that underenforcement will change the underlying meaning of the secular purpose rule. But a constitutional requirement can retain its full meaning and be legally binding even if underenforced. Another possible objection is that underenforcement would be tantamount to nonenforcement. To respond to that objection, this Note attempts to canalize underenforcement by marking out situations in which the secular purpose rule should be fully enforced. When, for example, underenforcement would allow discrimination against vulnerable groups, the secular purpose rule should be enforced.

The status quo is marriage ha been a man and woman for thousands of years

Status quotes change and evolve over time, if they didn't we would still have slavery and women wouldn't be allowed to vote.
Pew polls indicate that around 70% of Americans have no problem with same-sex marriages..

 

[Beckie]

nice dodge

 

[HeIsHere]

Kind of difficult to define same sex when they can't define a specific sex in the first place. How is that not the largest gaping legal loophole?

 

[Dude653]

nice dodge

If you can't be an adult and stop being condescending I'm just going to put you on ignore.
How was that a dodge? It was a relevant rebuttal to your statement

 

[Beckie]

If you can't be an adult and stop being condescending I'm just going to put you on ignore.
How was that a dodge? It was a relevant rebuttal to your statement

Put me on ignore that is your business. It was a dodge. The status quo came for the same article you posted which we both posted in part. Not sure if your article was about the US constitution of the Virginia one . The USA Constitution was implied in your post. Any one willing to see know the homosexual marriage stuff was quick change. not anything like removing the scourge of slavery or women voting. Again jus my opinion women voting may not have been a good idea


Forty-four percent of young women counted themselves liberal in 2021, compared to 25 percent of young men, according to Gallup Poll data analyzed by the Survey Center on American Life. The gender gap is the largest recorded in 24 years of polling. The finding culminates years of rising liberalism among women ages 18 to 29, without any increase among their male peers.

 

[Dude653]

Put me on ignore that is your business. It was a dodge. The status quo came for the same article you posted which we both posted in part. Not sure if your article was about the US constitution of the Virginia one . The USA Constitution was implied in your post. Any one willing to see know the homosexual marriage stuff was quick change. not anything like removing the scourge of slavery or women voting. Again jus my opinion women voting may not have been a good idea


Forty-four percent of young women counted themselves liberal in 2021, compared to 25 percent of young men, according to Gallup Poll data analyzed by the Survey Center on American Life. The gender gap is the largest recorded in 24 years of polling. The finding culminates years of rising liberalism among women ages 18 to 29, without any increase among their male peers.

The definition of status quo is the existing current state of affairs regarding political or social issues.
So my argument is relevant because there was a time when the status quo was that women couldn't vote and that black people were property..
You seem to be arguing that status quo is chiseled in stone and can't be changed. And that is demonstrably not true
Also I have a question for you. Why do you think women shouldn't be allowed to vote?

 

[Eli1]

Is putting people on ignore, a threat?

 

[Beckie]

The definition of status quo is the existing current state of affairs regarding political or social issues.
So my argument is relevant because there was a time when the status quo was that women couldn't vote and that black people were property..
You seem to be arguing that status quo is chiseled in stone and can't be changed. And that is demonstrably not true
Also I have a question for you. Why do you think women shouldn't be allowed to vote?

I did not say women should not be allowed to vote.
Your argument is relevant to you . You have not shown me it is relevant.
No i did not say anything was chiseled in stone.

 

[Dude653]

Is putting people on ignore, a threat?

Well I'm just trying to have a conversation and she's being rude and condescending so there's really no point trying to have a civil conversation with someone who wants to be combative for no reason

 

[Dude653]

I did not say women should not be allowed to vote.
Your argument is relevant to you . You have not shown me it is relevant.
No i did not say anything was chiseled in stone.

Okay let's try this again because we're not getting anywhere for some reason.
You said male and female marriage has always been the status quo and I countered with status quo is the current state of a political or social issue
And that's why I said it used to be the status quo that women couldn't vote in that black people were property. And then you said you're not sure it's a good idea to let women vote.

 

[Eli1]

Well I'm just trying to have a conversation and she's being rude and condescending so there's really no point trying to have a civil conversation with someone who wants to be combative for no reason

I know, but that was my attempt at humor.
You keep going my friend.

 

[Dude653]

I know, but that was my attempt at humor.
You keep going my friend.

I think she may have Asperger's or something. Just rude for no reason

 

[Beckie]

I think she may have Asperger's or something. Just rude for no reason

LOL me thinks the pot is calling the kittle black

 

[Dude653]

So let's try this again. The definition of status quo is the current state of affairs regarding a social or political issue.
So, status quo's evolve as society evolves so why can't the status quo of marriage evolve, especially since the majority of Americans are not against same-sex marriages

 

[Dude653]

LOL me thinks the pot is calling the kittle black

You were combative with me from the jump when I was just trying to have a civil conversation. Our first exchange was when you called me "lukewarm"because I said I'm centrist
Reason I'm interested is because I feel like both sides are equally ridiculous.

The right. Everyone who disagrees with me hates America
The left.... Everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi
Me.... You're both stupid

 

[Beckie]

So let's try this again. The definition of status quo is the current state of affairs regarding a social or political issue.
So, status quo's evolve as society evolves so why can't the status quo of marriage evolve, especially since the majority of Americans are not against same-sex marriages

where did i say it could not evolve . i think i said it was quick. Which would imply it did not evolve but 'jumped'

 

[Beckie]

You were combative with me from the jump when I was just trying to have a civil conversation. Our first exchange was when you called me "lukewarm"because I said I'm centrist
Reason I'm interested is because I feel like both sides are equally ridiculous.

The right. Everyone who disagrees with me hates America
The left.... Everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi
Me.... You're both stupid

i just about totally agree as far as politics goes

 

[Beckie]

In my opinion a centrist is lukewarm . Another's opinion is as valid as another's . You dont agree with me am i to guess you are just being combative ?

 

[Dude653]

where did i say it could not evolve . i think i said it was quick. Which would imply it did not evolve but 'jumped'

I don't know why we keep going in circles
You said that the status quo has always been male and female marriage
And I said a status quo is the current state of political or social affairs which typically evolves over time is society evolves
And then I gave an example of a status quo changing with the times which is black people not being property anymore and women being able to vote
Then you countered with that's a example of a changing status quo.
I don't understand why this conversation keeps going in circles

 

[Beckie]

I don't know why we keep going in circles
You said that the status quo has always been male and female marriage
And I said a status quo is the current state of political or social affairs which typically evolves over time is society evolves
And then I gave an example of a status quo changing with the times which is black people not being property anymore and women being able to vote
Then you countered with that's a example of a changing status quo.
I don't understand why this conversation keeps going in circles

The status quo is marriage ha been a man and woman for thousands of years

I did not say always