Summary of Bible references on the Rapture

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Let's see how this ages


I have been going through Dana Coverstone's dreams again and found that what didn't make sense 2 years ago seems very prophetic today, and what didn't makes sense a year and half ago seems much more plausible today.

I have said before, I'll say it again, if I warn you to pay the electric bill or else the lights will go out so you go to do that but find the lights have already gone out that is not a warning. You have to warn people in time for them to take action. This warning of Russian and Chinese troops was made with enough time to avoid the Ukrainian invasion by Russia.

The fist punch in November would certainly refer to the election. This has continued to fester like a boil as audits and claims of fraud have not diminished but only grown and convinced more and more so that now it is no longer a fringe group but polls of Americans show the majority consider Biden illegitimate.

I would also point out that 70% of Americans consider Biden incompetent and Kamala Harris to also be incompetent. It has become a joke, even Bill Maher jokes about Biden being "weekend at Bernies". There is no leadership in the US and when Russia saw that vacuum they took advantage, this morning it seems Iran has also taken advantage of this vacuum and no doubt China is certainly flexing like they too will take advantage of this vacuum.
 

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Yes, many think that, but prior to the restoration of Israel as a nation we were told by all the Bible experts that this was allegorical and shouldn't be taken literally.

Believers are part of the commonwealth of Israel

Ephesians 2:12 that ye were at that time separate from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

Those who have been crucified with Jesus are the "Israel of God".

Galatians 6:15 For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new [i]creature. 16 And as many as shall walk by this rule, peace be upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

Those who have received the New Covenant are part of the house of Israel

Hebrews 8:
8 For finding fault with them, he saith,

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord,
That I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah;
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers
In the day that I took them by the hand to lead them forth out of the land of Egypt;
For they continued not in my covenant,
And I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
After those days, saith the Lord;
I will put my laws into their mind,
And on their heart also will I write them:
And I will be to them a God,
And they shall be to me a people:


The New Covenant was made with the House of Israel. Yes, the Old Covenant is still in effect and so even if you haven't received the New Covenant the Jews still have a covenant with God so thas prophecy in Ezekiel applies to them. But it also applies to those who have received the New Covenant.
Eze 37:11
"....these bones are the whole house of Israel..."
This always means Jacob.

v. 14
".....And he shall know that I Jehovah have spoken..."
Post Second Coming

You've got some wackadoo hermeneutics going on there buddy.
 

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Ezekiel 37:1-14 Ezekiel prophesied of the rapture, deal with it!
10 And I prophesied as he had commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.
Some argue, like cv5, that this army only refers to the house of Israel and that only refers to Jacob and that only refers to the Jews and cannot also refer to the raptured saints.

Yet this army of the Lord of those raised from the dead are led by the Lord to defend Jerusalem at the war in Armageddon. Revelation tells us that Jesus will return to defend Jerusalem with a whole army.

Revelation 19:10 11 And I saw the heaven opened; and behold, a white horse, and he that sat thereon called Faithful and True; and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 And his eyes are a flame of fire, and upon his head are many diadems; and he hath a name written which no one knoweth but he himself. 13 And he is arrayed in a garment sprinkled with blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which are in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and pure.

Now these armies that are in heaven with the Lord refer to raptured believers. These raptured believers include "the dead in Christ" who rise first.

To be fair this picture of a valley filled with dry bones is very appropriate for the Jews, especially after WWII. Between the pogroms and holocaust this seems a very vivid picture of what we saw in 1948.

However, Paul tells us in Galatians that those who are circumcised together with Christ are the Israel of God. The whole Bible, every word is about Jesus. When you see those bones scattered in the valley you have to see the crucified Christ. On the cross one third of the Godhead was put to death, in the Holocaust one third of the Jews were put to death. That is not a coincidence. When Cain killed Abel he was kicked out of the place he was living and had to be wander the earth. When the Jews killed Jesus they got kicked out of Israel and had to wander the earth.

Ezekiel 38 is a picture of resurrection, that is about Jesus. God's people who trust in Him and abide in Him will know the fellowship of His sufferings and they will also know the outstanding resurrection, this is what Paul tells us in Philippians. If you understand that every verse in the Bible is talking about Jesus then you understand that for those of us who are in Christ we can also experience every verse in the Bible.

So the real wackadoo hermeneutics is thinking that this chapter in Ezekiel is about the house of Israel but not about Jesus.

Jesus is the resurrection. There is no resurrection apart from Jesus.
 

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Wackadoo hermeneutics cont.

God made dead bones rise to life, and He did this by giving to the bones His live-giving breath. There is almost certainly a double meaning here, referring to both “breath” and God’s “Spirit.” The Hebrew word ר֖וּחַ (ruakh) can mean “breath,” “wind,” “spirit,” or “Spirit” depending on the context. (It is used 10 x in this chapter—37: 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 14.) And we know that it is God’s Spirit that brings life. This is made explicit in 37:14—“And I will put my Spirit within you, and you shall live.” The coming of breath to the bones in Ezekiel 37 recalls God’s life-giving breath to Adam in Genesis 2:7:

Then Yahweh God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.

Just as God gave Adam breath for life in Genesis 2, so He also gave the dead bones breath for life in Ezekiel 37. The difference is that Adam was new life, while the bones in Ezekiel were brought back to life. They were resurrected. It is worthy of note that the Apostle Paul referenced Genesis 2:7 in his most famous treatise on the future bodily resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15:45—“Thus it is written, ‘The first man Adam became a living being’; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.”

https://knowingscripture.com/articles/dry-bones-and-the-resurrection-of-the-dead-ezekiel-37-1-14
 

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Ezekiel 37:15-28 The rapture and the tribulation solve a lot of problems.

15 And the word of Jehovah came unto me, saying, 16 And thou, son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel, his companions. And take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and all the house of Israel, his companions. 17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thy hand. 18 And when the children of my people speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not declare unto us what thou meanest by these? 19 say unto them, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his companions, and will put them with this, with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in my hand. 20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thy hand before their eyes. 21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, whither they are gone, and will gather them from every side, and bring them into their own land: 22 and I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

Once again I fully appreciate that this prophecy is fulfilled in the restoration of Israel. However, for Christians we also are divided into denominations and all kinds of cliques based on the understanding of God’s word. Catholics are very distinct from Evangelicals. Not only so but there is something known as the apostasy where some believers, like myself, believe that every word of the Bible is the inspired word of God that we are to keep. Others freely say which verses in the Bible you should keep and which you don’t need to, which are important doctrines and which are doctrines you can ignore. These issues will not be resolved with debate. Rather they will be resolved by the rapture. Once there is a rapture it will end all debate on whether or not that is literal. Right now Christians, genuine Christians, know that the world is filled with false prophets and false teachers. The rapture will be God’s seal of approval on true teachers. This is like the resurrection, when Jesus was resurrected from the dead He was designated Lord of all by the Father, that ended all debate on whether or not Jesus was a genuine prophet or whether He was leading the people astray.

23 And they shall not defile themselves any more with their idols, or with their detestable things, or with any of their transgressions; and I will save them out of all their dwelling-places wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them; and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.

This is the truth, there are Christians who are defiled with idols and with the detestable thing. The answer is not to compromise, the answer is to confess, repent, and be cleansed. Being left behind will be a great opportunity for many to repent.

24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: and they shall walk in mine ordinances, and keep my statutes, and do them.

The rapture exposes the false shepherds. All the phony shepherds that took care of themselves and led the people astray will be judged. Jesus has always been the Great Shepherd for the last two thousand years, the problem is that some genuine saints were led astray by hirelings and false teachers.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and David my servant shall be their prince for ever. 26 And I will make a covenant of peace with them: it shall be an everlasting covenant with them; and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for ever. 27 And my tabernacle shall be over them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 28 And the nations shall know that I Jehovah do hallow Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for ever.

Let’s not focus on the process. Going through the tribulation is messy, it is scary, and for many it will end quite abruptly with them making a glorious testimony to the executioner. Instead focus on the goal. We will dwell for eternity with God, with the Lord Jesus, and with the saints. The transformation that we have seen take place in Israel is only a foretaste of what we will see over the entire world.
 

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Think of this war as a power struggle between two rival cartels. For someone to become the "one world leader" means others will have to lose. This is not a win/win situation, rather it is "heads I win, tails you lose". They want to win, they really don't care if you lose or if that is the path to them winning. The Christian refugees from Ukraine in Poland are crying out "Lord when are you coming?"

So then what this war has done is provoke many Christians to pray "Come Lord Jesus!"

Everything we are seeing is a result of man taking the path of sin.

1Kings 6 -- Solomon's reign began in Nisan

2Chronicles 3 -- Again learn that Solomon was crowned King in the Month of Nisan.

We have a crowning ceremony to go to and it is next month. The wedding is before the crowning ceremony.

Solomon, the Prince of Peace, becomes king in the month of Nisan.

1Chronicles 24 -- 24 divisions of the priesthood.

Jesus is going to be king forever over Israel. I have had jobs where you needed to be certified, pass several exams, fulfill all kinds of credits in addition to a master's degree, get fingerprinted, etc. After doing all that I always thought these hurdles I jumped over are now a wall that give me job security. In the same way Israel will have a kingdom that lasts forever, but think of all they went through to get there. They pay such a high cost will anyone ever want to compete for that job?
 

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Wackadoo hermeneutics cont.

Jesus is the door, He is also the Passover. During Passover the Jews are to put the blood over the lintel as well as the two sides of the door. These three spots of blood make a triangle pointing up.

Then on the cross Jesus also had three spots of blood on his two hands and feet. These three spots also make a triangle pointing down.

Put these two triangles together and you have the star of David.

The Passover and the Old covenant and the house of Jacob all make half of this star, meanwhile all those who have received Christ's work on the cross make the other half.

These are two covenants. They go together to give a full picture. Israel becoming a nation in a single day and the dry bones in the valley coming to life gives us a picture of how the Lord raises an army to defeat the hosts of Satan. But it isn't the full picture, it is only half of the picture.

Likewise the rapture where the dead in Christ rise first and they become the armies of God in the heavens who follow Him when He returns to deliver Israel is the other half of the picture. Put the two together and you get a full picture of the Glory of the Lord.

The triangle pointing up signifies the people of God looking to God for salvation. The triangle pointing down signifies the Lord of Hosts coming down from heaven to save.
 

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Romans 14:1-5 Diversity of thought

1 Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters.

Christians have all been trained in the articles of the faith, the items that are not disputable. But apart from one God and Father of all, Jesus Christ Lord of all, and the faith that has once for all been delivered to us by the apostles everything else is disputable. Do we vote for Biden or Trump, disputable. Do we build a wall on the border, disputable. Do we join the Paris Accords, disputable. Now what exactly does “disputable” mean? Dispute is to argue about or debate, so disputable means you are able to argue about or debate these. However, the meaning of the greek here is more along the lines of to “judge his doubtful thoughts” or even “to criticize his scruples”. The Bible is very clear, a “real Christian” believes that Jesus is Lord, however it doesn’t say anything about whether or not a “real Christian” would ban fracking.

2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.


For two thousand years we have looked at this verse as being about whether or not to be a vegetarian. But the first verse is about any disputable matter, and this second verse is simply an illustration of what he is talking about. For example, there are people today who will only listen to CNN and MSNBC and don’t dare to listen to any other sources of information. If you are going to debate a “disputable” topic some people will seek out a multitude of sources. However, you can find people on the internet who will say anything, doesn’t make it true. So there are others who will only accept the “approved” sources like CNN and the NY Times. So there are some who will only “eat” what the powers that be tell them is safe and there are others who will “eat” anything.

3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them.


This is the issue we have right now, it is splitting the country in half. Some people are “eating everything” and claiming there was election fraud, others who do not “eat” anything that Facebook, Twitter and the powers that be say is not true are judging those who are claiming there was election fraud. Do not treat your brother or sister with contempt simply because they don’t listen to Steve Bannon or Dan Bongino. On the other hand do not judge those who do.

4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.

This is the key point. When you are making a decision on these issues are you realizing that you are a servant of the Lord and you will be judged for the actions you take. If you vote for Trump then you can be held accountable for the peace treaty he brokered with Israel and the UAE. Likewise if you voted for Biden you are accountable for the decision to pay for abortions worldwide and to make them legal right up until birth. Trump and Biden made it clear where they stood on these issues before you voted.

5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.

This is an issue that has bothered me for my entire christian life. I have heard the case to be made about not celebrating birthdays (every birthday celebration in the New Testament is pretty horrible -- though to be fair the Magi were celebrating Jesus birth if not His birthday). Christmas is not Jesus birthday but rather a pagan celebration to the Sun, etc. So on the one hand I don’t want to treat these days as “more sacred than another”. On the other hand the world has done a good job of guilting you and painting you as a “scrooge” if you don’t. To me some issues are clear cut, like abortion, other issues there are two sides to them and both have merit and they are not clear cut. I have made it clear to my kids and family what aspects of Christmas I completely reject as a lie from the world (I consider the whole story of Santa Claus flying around the entire world and sneaking into houses like a thief to give you presents to be a corruption and mockery of the gospel where at the end of the age Jesus will rapture the first fruits and this will be like a thief breaking into the house of the “world” and the worldly church and stealing the treasures). On the other hand we do get birthday gifts and Christmas gifts so that my kids don’t think that Christians are miserly.

Another example, I frequently post links from the Prophecy club yet we have two very different views of the rapture. He is adamant that there is no pre-tribulation rapture, I am equally convinced that there is. My feeling is this is a disputable matter and it is fully up to the Lord on this matter. On the other hand I post links from Pastor Sandy and dismisses the entire idea of a mid tribulation rapture. I disagree with him as well and yet again, this is a disputable matter. The real issue is not how he sees this issue but whether or not he is a servant of the Lord. I consider both Stan and Sandy as servants of the Lord, they will stand before the Lord, good enough for me.
 

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Revelation 13:15 And it was given unto him to give breath to it, even to the image of the beast, [n]that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as should not [o]worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16 And he causeth all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the bond, that there be given them a mark on their right hand, or upon their forehead; 17 and that no man should be able to buy or to sell, save he that hath the mark, even the name of the beast or the number of his name.

It occurred to me how amazing this is. I can see how they could make all in NYC or Chicago to not be able to buy or sell without some mark, but everyone in the whole world? My thought was what about upstate NY by the Adirondacks, or maybe run to the Black hills of South Dakota? How do you monitor what some guy in a gas station in some remote area does? Yet, wherever you go these stores have little card readers where you can swipe your credit card. If you eliminate US currency, replace it with a new digital currency with this mark then all of these stores wherever they are on earth would not be able to buy or sell without this mark.

20 years ago this was not the case. I still remember being able to pay for things with a check from the bank. I remember a time when I never used a credit card, and I remember going to stores that didn't have one of those card readers yet. Now these are not only ubiquitous in the US, they are everywhere in the whole world. This is the first time in human history that this prophecy could be fulfilled.
 

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Healing the blind man

John 9:1 As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. 2 His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” 3 “Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him. 4 As long as it is day, we must do the works of him who sent me. Night is coming, when no one can work. 5 While I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”

OK, a lot here. We need to stop looking at those who are "blind" as having been judged for sin. There is a teaching that all these things came into the world because of sin, and from there it is easy to infer or even teach that every disease and sickness is due to your sin. The Lord is giving us a different perspective, every disease and sickness is an opportunity for us to work the works of God. It is an opportunity to express Christ and to have Jesus be glorified. But he also mentions "night is coming", this is a reference to the great tribulation. For two thousand years saints have been able to work the works of God. Even when they were feeding Christians to the lions. But a day is coming when you will not be able to work.

6 After saying this, he spit on the ground, made some mud with the saliva, and put it on the man’s eyes. 7 “Go,” he told him, “wash in the Pool of Siloam” (this word means “Sent”). So the man went and washed, and came home seeing.


We all need to wash in the pool called "sent" to wash the mud out of our eyes so we can see. You are where you are because you have been sent by the Lord. Yesterday the pastor was sharing a message about David quitting and giving up when he went to Philistia. However, David wound up living in Ziklag which was a city given to Israel and from that day on it became a city of Israel. The Lord had sent David to recover the lost sheep of Ziklag. He was sent there. Not only so but David used it as a base to fight the Amalekites. This was the real problem in Israel, not Saul but the despicable Amalekites that divide and conquer.

8 His neighbors and those who had formerly seen him begging asked, “Isn’t this the same man who used to sit and beg?” 9 Some claimed that he was.

What a great picture. How many ministries are people sitting and begging?
 

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Thou wast altogether born in sins and dost thou teach us?

John 9:9 Others said, It is he: others said, No, but he is like him. He said, I am he. 10 They said therefore unto him, How then were thine eyes opened? 11 He answered, The man that is called Jesus made clay, and anointed mine eyes, and said unto me, Go to Siloam, and wash: so I went away and washed, and I received sight. 12 And they said unto him, Where is he? He saith, I know not.

This is the standard testimony. Gang member, street walker, drug addict, as well as someone who grew up in organized Christianity or who was part of the apostasy.

13 They bring to the Pharisees him that aforetime was blind. 14 Now it was the sabbath on the day when Jesus made the clay, and opened his eyes. 15 Again therefore the Pharisees also asked him how he received his sight. And he said unto them, He put clay upon mine eyes, and I washed, and I see. 16 Some therefore of the Pharisees said, This man is not from God, because he keepeth not the sabbath. But others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such signs? And there was a division among them.

Wow, how did we miss this, Jesus healed him on the sabbath! Isn't that amazing how the religious leaders can nullify every work of God because they violate the traditions of these religious leaders.

17 They say therefore unto the blind man again, What sayest thou of him, in that he opened thine eyes? And he said, He is a prophet. 18 The Jews therefore did not believe concerning him, that he had been blind, and had received his sight, until they called the parents of him that had received his sight, 19 and asked them, saying, Is this your son, who ye say was born blind? how then doth he now see? 20 His parents answered and said, We know that this is our son, and that he was born blind: 21 but how he now seeth, we know not; or who opened his eyes, we know not: ask him; he is of age; he shall speak for himself. 22 These things said his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man should confess him to be Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue. 23 Therefore said his parents, He is of age; ask him.

A very accurate description of this cancel culture. But this is my point, prior to the rapture there will be many "christians" who fear being cancelled or kicked out the club. However, after the rapture no one will listen to them anymore, the religious leaders who tried to keep the sheep locked up in the sheep fold will be condemned, ridiculed and slandered. Everything they did to others will be done to them.

24 So they called a second time the man that was blind, and said unto him, Give glory to God: we know that this man is a sinner. 25 He therefore answered, Whether he is a sinner, I know not: one thing I know, that, whereas I was blind, now I see. 26 They said therefore unto him, What did he to thee? how opened he thine eyes? 27 He answered them, I told you even now, and ye did not hear; wherefore would ye hear it again? would ye also become his disciples? 28 And they reviled him, and said, Thou art his disciple; but we are disciples of Moses. 29 We know that God hath spoken unto Moses: but as for this man, we know not whence he is. 30 The man answered and said unto them, Why, herein is the marvel, that ye know not whence he is, and yet he opened mine eyes. 31 We know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and do his will, him he heareth. 32 Since the world began it was never heard that any one opened the eyes of a man born blind. 33 If this man were not from God, he could do nothing. 34 They answered and said unto him, Thou wast altogether born in sins, and dost thou teach us? And they cast him out.

There you go, you are not allowed to teach the pharisees anything. Everyone is condemned by them under sin, only they know the truth. The judgement on them will be very fierce because not only do they not seek the kingdom but those that do they try to prevent from entering in. This is where we are right now. Cancel culture, religious know it alls telling everyone else they are wrong, they are wackadoodles because they don't follow these religious leaders who want everyone locked up in their sheep folds.
 

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For judgment came I into this world, that they that see not may see; and that they that see may become blind.

John 9:35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and finding him, he said, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? 36 He answered and said, And who is he, Lord, that I may believe on him? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and he it is that speaketh with thee. 38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.

The way you deal with the apostasy and false religions is you believe on Jesus, you stand on Jesus. You need a vision of Jesus and you need to commune with Him daily.

39 And Jesus said, For judgment came I into this world, that they that see not may see; and that they that see may become blind.

Why does everyone seem to ignore this verse? We see the corruption in the world, Jesus is the savior. This is what that means. Those that see not that they are slaves of sin and that Satan is the ruler of this world may see, meanwhile those that do see this and have used it to advance in this satanic system may become blind.

40 Those of the Pharisees who were with him heard these things, and said unto him, Are we also blind? 41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye would have no sin: but now ye say, We see: your sin remaineth.

You cannot claim to represent the Lord and make compromises with the Satanic system. What does that mean? In China they hang a picture of Xi in the sanctuary of the churches where they meet. That is an example. In the US all the pastors agree not to discuss certain topics so that they do not lose their tax exempt status, that is an example. Who are you serving? If you are listening to the board of directors about what you can and cannot share then sorry, you are a servant of the board of directors. If you are a member of some big denomination and they give you directions on what you can and cannot speak then you are their servant. You cannot serve God and mammon. Saying that you serve the Lord when you actually serve mammon is a lie and a sin.
 

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The Door

John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. 4 When he hath put forth all his own, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. 5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. 6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.

We are approaching John 11 where Lazarus is raised from the dead. What are we told, to beware those who enter the sheepfold but not by the door. Jesus told us He is the door and He is also the word become flesh. They are not entering the church through Jesus, they are not entering the church through the incarnated word of God. Instead they are "climbing up some other way" like these doctrines "once saved always saved" that basically say once you pray to receive the Lord you can sin with impunity or the prosperity gospel where the term "blessing" is all about money and mammon. These are "another way". What is the way that the true believers take? It is the way of the cross. The best way to discourage a thief or robber is to have nothing to steal. These thieves are all motivated by money and turning the saints into merchandise.

Why do they climb up some other way? Because they can't come in the door. It is guarded by the porter. The shepherd comes into the sheepfold and those that are his know Him, they open to Him and they know His voice. He leads them out -- that is the rapture.

Now let's think about this -- the last time we saw a door it was at Passover and it had the blood of the lamb on it. That was the beginning of our Christian life. We were brought out into pastures, out into the spring and summer and fall. Eventually the winter came, the long night came, no one could work, the sheep are in the sheep fold with thieves and robbers climbing up to break in. But then at the end of the age the Shepherd will come, we'll open to Him, and He will lead us out.

That blood was a testimony to us and to others. Now it seems to me and I know many are unable to see this, but if the rapture takes place prior to the Passover then that rapture will be a testimony for the Christians who remain behind. Many of them are lukewarm, they reject this word, but that event will wake them up and our testimony will be something they can put on their door as a testimony as they partake of the word of the Lord to strengthen them to go through the tribulation.
 

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Bible Code

The first thing to understand before we discuss this is that there is no word in the Bible Code that would contradict the Bible, no new teaching, no secret message. If that is what you think this is then please look somewhere else because I have not seen anything like that.

No, what I have seen is what John said in chapter 1 -- all things came into being through the word of God and apart from the word there is nothing that has come into being.

So this is how I tested it -- I gave them my name -- first, middle and last. That is 17 letters. So they would use a computer to find that name using equidistant spacing. So perhaps skip one letter, skip two, skip three, try front ways, try backways, etc. What are the odds that they would find my name? There are 22 Hebrew letters, so then it would be 22 raised to the 17th power. However, don't stop there. They found my Father's name (5 letters), Mother's name (4 letters) wife's name (7 letters) and daughter's name (6 letters all intersecting my name). So it is 22 raised to the 39th power. They also found the year of my birth and the country I was born in. The odds of this is 2 with 52 0s after it. That is 200x the number of atoms in the Earth.

Now why would I do this? First, they had tested this numerically and experts on statistical analysis concluded that this was a valid phenomenon. Yes, they compared the Bible with other books with a comparable number of letters. In fact I think they tested 100 different books. So, no, you can't just take any book and see the same phenomenon. If the odds of something happening were 1 in a billion that would only be 9 0s, I get it, there are 3 million letters in the bible. So if you try every other, every third up to every 100th letter you will have 300 million possible letters and if you go in reverse you will have 600 million. Try spacing 200 apart and you have 1.2 billion. Multiply that by 2 and you have 2.4 billion for letters spaced as much as 400 apart front and back. Divide that by the odds of getting all those names related to me and you have 1/1 with 43 0s after it. It is a ridiculously large number. The thing to realize is the reason they thought they could do this was because after searching for the names of two hundred historical figures they began to think they could find anyone's name. Put my results to the 200th power. The odds of this being a coincidence are absolutely absurd. And no, you cannot do this in any other book they have tried with many other books.

But none of this is why I did it, this is what they went through to get a mathematical journal to publish their paper. My thought was OK, if my name is in the Bible then I want to know what verses and sure enough the verses where my first and middle name landed on were very enlightening to me. They gave me key principles I needed to learn and key experiences I had had. It was a personal message to me.

Two misconceptions -- there are no "secret messages" but what there are personal messages. Second, the odds of what they have shown to be in the word is not something that can be replicated with other books. They tried. The co author of the paper was a world famous atheist. He made the test so ridiculously difficult he thought no one would do it, but the Jews did it.
 

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The Deed


He talks about the seven seals in Revelation as the deed to the world which is given to Jesus.

1. The first seal is the antichrist, a guy on a white horse promising the world but lying about it. How many false christs have their been in human history. Liars trying to get power to run the world are a dime a dozen.

2. War -- once again megalomaniac people who try to take over the world by force are also quite common throughout world history.

3. Famine -- This is how Pharaoh back at the time of Joseph was able to get control of the entire country.

4. Plague -- Genghis Khan used dead bodies with the plague as a bioweapon to try and seize control of the world.

5. Martyrdom -- how often have we seen coups run by assassinating a leader.

6. Catastrophic events -- this is what happened to the USSR when Chernobyl exploded. The world bank exploited the situation to cause the USSR to collapse.

These are six ways in which Satan has used to seize control of the world so that the entire world lies in the evil one.

When you buy a house they have a list of the previous owners and mortgages. Have they been satisfied? That is the question. Is Jesus worthy to open each of those seals? Does the word of God solve each of those issues? Has he paid in full for the house because until then you are not worthy to have the deed.
 

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Isaiah 13 The Tail of the Great Dragon and the Judgement on Babylon

1 A prophecy against Babylon that Isaiah son of Amoz saw:


I believe that “Mystery, Babylon” in the book of Revelation refers to the US. At the time John wrote the new world had not yet been discovered, hence it was a mystery. The US sits upon 7 continents with bases in every one, we have a total of 800 bases whereas the next four countries combined have less than 50. The US is abundant in deep water ports whereas Rome is not. We sit on many waters whereas Rome does not. If the US were destroyed the merchants of the entire world would mourn “who will buy our stuff”. That is not even remotely true for Rome or Iraq.

2 Raise a banner on a bare hilltop, shout to them; beckon to them to enter the gates of the nobles.

Interesting prophecy, I believe the judgement that is coming is coming from the sky. There is a planet in our solar system that has a very elliptical orbit whose period of revolution is hundreds of years. When it does come near the Sun you can see it with the naked eye. The Sumerians, Egyptians, Chinese and Europeans have all described it. The best way to observe it is with an observatory that we have placed on bare hilltops. So it was the astronomers who first raised the alarm, not to the whole world but simply to the Nobles.

3 I have commanded those I prepared for battle; I have summoned my warriors to carry out my wrath— those who rejoice in my triumph. 4 Listen, a noise on the mountains, like that of a great multitude! Listen, an uproar among the kingdoms, like nations massing together! The Lord Almighty is mustering an army for war. 5 They come from faraway lands, from the ends of the heavens— the Lord and the weapons of his wrath— to destroy the whole country.

This planet is massive. It is approximately five times the size of Earth, it has several moons and a long trail of debris following it like a tail. The Earth’s orbit is about to intersect that tail and get bombarded with a meteor shower which will destroy the whole country of Babylon (US).

6 Wail, for the day of the Lord is near; it will come like destruction from the Almighty. 7 Because of this, all hands will go limp, every heart will melt with fear. 8 Terror will seize them, pain and anguish will grip them; they will writhe like a woman in labor. They will look aghast at each other, their faces aflame.

Think of all these apocalyptic movies depicting asteroids hitting the earth. They know it is coming, they know it will happen in a single night, hence the whole “Purge” movie series. These movies depict the response of the rich elites. They are building their homes like fortresses where they can lock up and be safe during this particular night. Meanwhile outside, above ground, there will be massive destruction and death. In their bunkers they will eat popcorn and watch movies while the rest of the world burns.

9 See, the day of the Lord is coming —a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger— to make the land desolate and destroy the sinners within it. 10 The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show their light. The rising sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light. 11 I will punish the world for its evil, the wicked for their sins. I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty and will humble the pride of the ruthless.

This event will be a humbling experience. I am a geologist and in the 1980s one scientist hypothesized that the dinosaurs were wiped out by an asteroid. The response was swift, the arrogant and haughty held him in derision. The prevailing theory at the time was that only nutty non scientific Christians believed in catastrophic events like the flood. However, the evidence continued to come in to support the asteroid and today it is held as indisputable fact that an asteroid did hit the earth causing a catastrophic event which wiped out the dinosaurs. Since then we have also gotten indisputable evidence of catastrophic floods at the time of Noah and which support that account as well. Little by little the haughty and arrogant have been proved wrong and God’s word has been untarnished like fine gold. But despite all this they still hold the prophecies of the Day of the Lord in derision. That will change when this meteor shower will hit the earth. Even the legacy of the most ruthless among them, Stalin or Hitler, will be humbled by the devastation that this will leave.

12 I will make people scarcer than pure gold, more rare than the gold of Ophir.

The Lord said that He would come as a thief in the night. Right now there are people sounding the alarm, telling the world what the Bible says. These people are treated with derision as nuts. The day of this disaster the Lord will snatch His people away in the rapture. Afterwards people will realize they were right and they need to seek counsel from them about the Day of the Lord and yet, they will be gone. They will be more rare than the gold of Ophir. Yesterday you mocked, today you realize you need the light of the word and yet you can’t find them.

13 Therefore I will make the heavens tremble; and the earth will shake from its place at the wrath of the Lord Almighty, in the day of his burning anger. 14 Like a hunted gazelle, like sheep without a shepherd, they will all return to their own people, they will flee to their native land.

I remember sharing the gospel and being told by people that they didn’t need that crutch, that church is fine for weak people who need a crutch, but they were strong, independent, and too wise to believe in the myths. Well, once this happens the world turns to Mad Max and then you realize you are nothing, if only you were part of a large congregation with people of all kinds of skills, people who love one another as the Lord loved them. If you were part of a group like that then you might have a chance to survive.

15 Whoever is captured will be thrust through; all who are caught will fall by the sword. 16 Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives violated. 17 See, I will stir up against them the Medes, who do not care for silver and have no delight in gold. 18 Their bows will strike down the young men; they will have no mercy on infants, nor will they look with compassion on children. 19 Babylon, the jewel of kingdoms, the pride and glory of the Babylonians, will be overthrown by God like Sodom and Gomorrah.

One person who has been sharing this vision for about 18 months at this point is Dana Coverstone. I have heard many reject his dreams because “they have been proven false”. Once again, arrogant and haughty people who will be humbled. What happens to them when in a single hour they are all proven to be true?

20 She will never be inhabited or lived in through all generations; there no nomads will pitch their tents, there no shepherds will rest their flocks. 21 But desert creatures will lie there, jackals will fill her houses; there the owls will dwell, and there the wild goats will leap about. 22 Hyenas will inhabit her strongholds, jackals her luxurious palaces. Her time is at hand, and her days will not be prolonged.
 

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Romans 14:6-23 A more excellent way to debate issues

6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.


This is the key thing. Are you giving thanks to God when you celebrate these days? You can have the biggest and best celebration without thanking God and you can also abstain from these parties while giving thanks to God. It is the same with the Paris Accords, I give thanks to God that He is Lord and that all things are under His control. I understand that there are two sides to the issue, but the most important side is that Jesus is Lord.

7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. 8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat.

Some teach to not talk about politics, that is their solution. But this is a more excellent way. Paul doesn’t say these issues are not disputable, on the contrary they are. All he says is that do not treat your brother or sister who may dispute with you with contempt, do not judge them. In this verse the word judge means to condemn. The word contempt means to deride. To judge, to condemn would be equivalent to censoring them, banning them, making it illegal to dispute the issue. The word contempt indicates that those who are strong in the faith are “puffed up with pride”. This does not indicate a concern for the edification of the weaker brother or sister. Did you ever consider that the weaker brother may be the canary in the coal mine? The first one to die may be there to warn you of the coming calamity.

11 It is written: “‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord, ‘every knee will bow before me; every tongue will acknowledge God.’” 12 So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God. 13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister.


So what do people do when they are disputing back and forth and there seems to be no resolution? They set a trap, or a snare. For example in the gospels when they came to Jesus and asked if it was right to pay tribute to Caesar or not, that was a trap. If you say yes you offend all those who are against the tyranny of the Roman empire, if you say no you give the Roman’s an excuse to arrest you for treason. But notice, Jesus didn’t duck this question, didn’t say that “politics is out of bounds”.

14 I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. 15 If your brother or sister is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy someone for whom Christ died. 16 Therefore do not let what you know is good be spoken of as evil. 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.

The kingdom of God is not about getting others to listen to Rush Limbaugh or anyone else. When I was first preaching the gospel I was associated with Witness Lee, a coworker of Watchman Nee. He was controversial, some liked him, others were distressed because of him. So, I didn’t reference him at all. The only book we used was the Bible. I didn’t care what people thought about him, it was irrelevant, the kingdom of God is about righteousness, joy and peace in the Holy Spirit. The Bible is fully sufficient to preach that message.

19 Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble.

The words of Satan, and Judas and Balaam are recorded in the Bible. How can that be? Because “all food is clean”. But what about Satan’s temptations to Eve and to Jesus? How else are we to learn about His devices? So without a doubt you can pick up the words of the Bible to cause someone to stumble, this happens in “cults” all the time. Using the Bible in that way is wrong. But every word in the Bible is clean and that includes some very nasty words that are recorded from the false prophets.

21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall.

Anyone who spends time in the word has learned to avoid certain portions that tend to cause others to fall. There are many Christians who avoid Revelation altogether. I personally dislike the way in which it is written. It is clearly written in code to hide what is being said. However, if you are living in the midst of intense persecution you need to learn to speak that way. So if you understand that John is speaking in this way to edify you, then you can receive it. That said we need the full counsel of God, speak the truth but do it in love.

22 So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God.


Oops, my bad, just forget what I just said.

Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves.


Nice, that is some slick debate tactics. You may think you are so smart, so slick, winning the argument but in winning that argument do you condemn yourself when you appear before the Lord’s judgement seat? If winning the argument requires you to condemn others or treat them disrespectfully or lay a trap for them, sorry, you just condemned yourself. We see this all the time today as youtube videos surface from 5 or ten years ago condemning people for what they are saying today.

23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.

If your conscience is telling you to stop when you are reading or watching something on the internet you need to heed that warning.