Woman can't teach in the congregation
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its strange that epiphanius would think it was in Hebrew, he was roman and anti Jewish. not likely he would make it up.
it also makes no sense for the Essenes, who wrere deeply connected to Christianity, whote in Hebrew just like the other Jewish sects. and the early Jewish Christians, we are told, would deviate from this. why the change? they wanted to be more roman?
it also makes no sense for the Essenes, who wrere deeply connected to Christianity, whote in Hebrew just like the other Jewish sects. and the early Jewish Christians, we are told, would deviate from this. why the change? they wanted to be more roman?
I would offer that we look at the word teach as to how it is used? I would think it would have to do more like with Moses who used the word of God to help judge the conflicts of relationships in order to keep peace between man and woman .
The new order had come because of the reformation where now men and woman could then gather together as one, as a representative glory.
Previously separated by a wall (the middle court )when only men could participate in the ceremonial laws. God elevating woman to a equal position as prophets sent our to declare the gospel of salvation .
Woman were counselling men or were counselled by men causing disorder. You could say like in the work market today.
Christ alone is reckoned as our infallible teacher, as the one who works in us, the one who brings the increase .
Just as we are to call no man on earth father, the same applies to teacher . We as brothers and sisters bring the gospel the Holy Spirit the preacher, applies the good news to ones heart.
They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues, greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, ‘Rabbi,( Master) Rabbi.’ But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ.Mathew 23:6-10
In that way we do not accredit the teaching authority to man or woman .and in doing so violate the warning in respect to the spirit of the antichrists, given in 1 John 2.
These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you. 27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.1 John 2:26-27
Men or woman as a new creation bring the gospel as planting the seed or watering it with the doctrines of God. Christ causes the growth if there is any.
In that way he protects the faith of God (unseen principle ) while others desire to eulogize the flesh, as that seen .
Even the Son of man, Jesus when called good master or Rabbi in effect said; no man can serve two masters (.the flesh as that seen and the unseen Spirit
Misunderstandings the laying on of hands to represent doing the will of another they accredited it to the flesh of Christ, in which he informs us in John 6 it could not profit as a spiritual work. Therefore the Son of man, Jesus as that seen gives the glory to the father not seen, the good credit
When he had placed his hands on them, he went on from there. Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.” Mathew 19: 15-17
The new order had come because of the reformation where now men and woman could then gather together as one, as a representative glory.
Previously separated by a wall (the middle court )when only men could participate in the ceremonial laws. God elevating woman to a equal position as prophets sent our to declare the gospel of salvation .
Woman were counselling men or were counselled by men causing disorder. You could say like in the work market today.
Christ alone is reckoned as our infallible teacher, as the one who works in us, the one who brings the increase .
Just as we are to call no man on earth father, the same applies to teacher . We as brothers and sisters bring the gospel the Holy Spirit the preacher, applies the good news to ones heart.
They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues, greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, ‘Rabbi,( Master) Rabbi.’ But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ.Mathew 23:6-10
In that way we do not accredit the teaching authority to man or woman .and in doing so violate the warning in respect to the spirit of the antichrists, given in 1 John 2.
These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you. 27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.1 John 2:26-27
Men or woman as a new creation bring the gospel as planting the seed or watering it with the doctrines of God. Christ causes the growth if there is any.
In that way he protects the faith of God (unseen principle ) while others desire to eulogize the flesh, as that seen .
Even the Son of man, Jesus when called good master or Rabbi in effect said; no man can serve two masters (.the flesh as that seen and the unseen Spirit
Misunderstandings the laying on of hands to represent doing the will of another they accredited it to the flesh of Christ, in which he informs us in John 6 it could not profit as a spiritual work. Therefore the Son of man, Jesus as that seen gives the glory to the father not seen, the good credit
When he had placed his hands on them, he went on from there. Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.” Mathew 19: 15-17
Irenaeus and Epiphanius, referring to Papias, spread the legend of the Hebrew original of the gospel of St. Matthew. But from Papias report it is not entirely clear whether it is really about the Hebrew original of the same Gospel that we know as "Matthew."
After all, the canonical Matthew has a very close literary connection with the text of Mark, Matthew gives many quotations exactly according to the greek Septuagint, by all signs the canonical Gospel of Matthew was written in Greek and among his main sources was greek text of Mark.
As for Papias' account of Matthew, who "wrote Jesus' sayings in Hebrew", most likely we can talk about some early collection of the logias of Jesus, like the Gospel of Thomas, and it is quite possible that such a document was attributed to Matthew in the time of Papias.
By the way, regarding the Gospel of Thomas - it is very suitable for many signs of Papias' description of the document "Matthew". Moreover, modern researchers come to the conclusion that the original language of the Gospel of Thomas was precisely the Syriac.
When we comparing the Greek fragments of the Gospel of Thomas with his Coptic text, the existence of different versions of this document is revealed in the early period of it tradition, and the version preserved in the Coptic translation appeared, apparently, as a result re-composing of logias (if we assume that the Greek fragments correspond to an earlier version of this document).
In the early period many documents only began to "seek" their "authors": thus, the synoptic gospels until the second half of the second century were nameless (they were called memorable writtings of the apostles, or each gospel was simply called - "Gospel") and only by the time of Irenaeus began to be called "according to Mark", "according to Matthew", etc.
The same can be true for the history of the emergence of the name of the Gospel of Thomas. In the time of Papias document like the Gospel of Thomas (some of its early edition, as discussed above) can be issued as writting of Matthew. Papias could perceive the Syriac language (= Aramaic dialect) of this document that it is the Hebrew language. So could have appeared the legend of Papias about Matthew, that he wrote in Hebrew. This document could be attributed later to Thomas, with the strengthening in Syria of the cult of this apostle.
My opinion is that Papias reports an early document that was known at that time as the writting of Matthew, this document was subsequently revised and in later distributed as the Gospel of Thomas (ie, Papias tells not of the canonical Gospel according to Matthew).
After all, the canonical Matthew has a very close literary connection with the text of Mark, Matthew gives many quotations exactly according to the greek Septuagint, by all signs the canonical Gospel of Matthew was written in Greek and among his main sources was greek text of Mark.
As for Papias' account of Matthew, who "wrote Jesus' sayings in Hebrew", most likely we can talk about some early collection of the logias of Jesus, like the Gospel of Thomas, and it is quite possible that such a document was attributed to Matthew in the time of Papias.
By the way, regarding the Gospel of Thomas - it is very suitable for many signs of Papias' description of the document "Matthew". Moreover, modern researchers come to the conclusion that the original language of the Gospel of Thomas was precisely the Syriac.
When we comparing the Greek fragments of the Gospel of Thomas with his Coptic text, the existence of different versions of this document is revealed in the early period of it tradition, and the version preserved in the Coptic translation appeared, apparently, as a result re-composing of logias (if we assume that the Greek fragments correspond to an earlier version of this document).
In the early period many documents only began to "seek" their "authors": thus, the synoptic gospels until the second half of the second century were nameless (they were called memorable writtings of the apostles, or each gospel was simply called - "Gospel") and only by the time of Irenaeus began to be called "according to Mark", "according to Matthew", etc.
The same can be true for the history of the emergence of the name of the Gospel of Thomas. In the time of Papias document like the Gospel of Thomas (some of its early edition, as discussed above) can be issued as writting of Matthew. Papias could perceive the Syriac language (= Aramaic dialect) of this document that it is the Hebrew language. So could have appeared the legend of Papias about Matthew, that he wrote in Hebrew. This document could be attributed later to Thomas, with the strengthening in Syria of the cult of this apostle.
My opinion is that Papias reports an early document that was known at that time as the writting of Matthew, this document was subsequently revised and in later distributed as the Gospel of Thomas (ie, Papias tells not of the canonical Gospel according to Matthew).
Can't say that I did, I just read the part about how no matter what bible verse that is supplied there will be at least one person who would find fault with it. OK, I believe that we're done here. I understand also what you are saying about the importance of context but that wasn't really the gist of my post.
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Thanks. Do you realize that this supports what Dino presented about the word. "Give Orders To" "Tell a man what to do" It is not the office of a Bible Teacher that Paul had in mind but a "Correcting a Man" that was so shameful. Like when a wife corrects her husband or attempts to Teach him, "Give orders to" like he is one of the kids in the family that she is bossing around all day.
I wasn't sharing because to help any specific person. I shared because it's the truth. I honestly didn't really look into your conversation with him. I just shared clarifying information. Getting to the truth is what matters. I don't pick sides. Everyone gets a fair, unbiased shot with me, even if we have disagreed in the past about something else. Mark 9:40
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Well Scribe, how's it feel to wear the apron, and have dish pan hands? 
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The sad thing is nowhere in scripture does it say a man is to rule over a woman. it says a Husband is too.
We are to love our wives as Christ loves the Church and gave Himself for it. What God said in the Garden after the fall was not how it was from the beginning. The fallen state of man rules over his wife.
The saved Believer loves his wife as Christ loves the church and wives are to WILLFULLY submit AS unto the Lord.
many of those men who say garbage like "Men who do not rule over their wives should not teach. "
most likely were never married or on wife number two which they will make concessions for divorces.
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Notice that the context of the chapter is about the giving of prophecies, and so it is Paul's response to married women disrupting services by loudly questioning the content of prophecies given in the service. Paul says that these women should keep silence during the service and to ask their husbands at home. Paul was dealing with a specific issue that was occurring in the Corinthians church and was not a blanket prohibition on women's ministry in the churches. In 1 Corinthians 11, he fully supports single women giving prophecies in church. It is one thing to quote single verses to support a notion, but quite another to examine the whole breadth of the New Testament to see how women have a place in the ministry of the church.
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I agree. Married women were loudly questioning the content of prophecies given in the meetings, thereby disrupting the meetings. Paul says that if they have questions about the prophecies, they should ask their husbands at home. He was clearly referring to married women, and not singles; otherwise he would be contradicting what he said in 1 Corinthians 11 about young women having their heads covered when praying or prophesying in church.
In the Timothy reference, Paul was advising Timothy about specific issues in the Ephesian churches where some women were starting to dominate and usurp authority over the men. It wasn't a prohibition on women's ministry, but the aggressive manner that these women were going about it. Of course, we get this in churches today where there are aggressive women undermining the pastor and elders. But a woman appointed to minister and teach under the authority of the eldership is quite appropriate and Paul would never have opposed it.
Also, the prohibition of women's ministry in churches was unknown to all the church fathers before Tertullian, and he started teaching it in reaction to the Montanists who featured dominant woman prophets whom he believed were acting inappropriately. Because Tertullian was a very well-respected church father, the Latin churches adopted his teaching concerning women's ministry and put a blanket prohibition on all the Latin churches.
In the Timothy reference, Paul was advising Timothy about specific issues in the Ephesian churches where some women were starting to dominate and usurp authority over the men. It wasn't a prohibition on women's ministry, but the aggressive manner that these women were going about it. Of course, we get this in churches today where there are aggressive women undermining the pastor and elders. But a woman appointed to minister and teach under the authority of the eldership is quite appropriate and Paul would never have opposed it.
Also, the prohibition of women's ministry in churches was unknown to all the church fathers before Tertullian, and he started teaching it in reaction to the Montanists who featured dominant woman prophets whom he believed were acting inappropriately. Because Tertullian was a very well-respected church father, the Latin churches adopted his teaching concerning women's ministry and put a blanket prohibition on all the Latin churches.
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Men are supposed to submit to their wives too Theology 101.
Submit yourselves to one another because of your reverence for Christ. Ephesians 5:21
Theology 101.Submit yourselves to one another because of your reverence for Christ. Ephesians 5:21
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It should be obvious to those filled with the Holy Spirit that God is filling both men and women with the Holy Spirit for the purpose of world evangelism in whatever capacity God wants to use them in. No limits. God will raise up whom He will raise up. Any my heart rejoices when I think about it. It is just like God to use a woman in a mighty way to plant and pastor a church just because she is despised and considered incapable by the religious pharisees. Just like God to do that. I would that all God's people were prophets and that He would pour His Spirit upon them all. Many women planted and pastored churches between 1910 and 1940s I have been reading about them in the history of the Pentecostal movement. There are many churches today pastored by men which were started by women during those years.
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