Woman can't teach in the congregation

[pjharrison]

LOL where does it say its wrong? It does not say its wrong at all....All the scriptures used to cage women and make the men Lords over them are taken waaaay out of context...The whole thing is a Churchianity fraud.

If the men lord over them, then they are not true men of God. Women can teach women and Children. It's for the women's own protection. There is invisible spiritual world out there.

I can't respond to this adequately without dripping sarcasm. I'll have to restrict my reply to "Horse feathers!".

Not just sickness. There are witches every where. You could have stood in front or behind one in the grocery store. There is a spiritual war going on. We don't wrestle against flesh and blood. ephesians 6: 11- 17

 

[pjharrison]

Poor unmarried women, widows, and those whose husbands' work takes them away from the home for extended periods. I guess they're easy fodder for the devil.

Um, no. Paul gave clear instruction to ward off the enemy's attacks in Ephesians 6: put on your armour and pray. That applies to men and women, married and unmarried.

Fathers can be a covering for the daughter, an uncle or grown up son who is a believer for the widow or mother. But you don't need to believe me. I'm just stating it.

 

[Dino246]

Fathers can be a covering for the daughter, an uncle or grown up son who is a believer for the widow or mother. But you don't need to believe me. I'm just stating it.

Dead fathers, unsaved fathers, molesting fathers, drunk fathers, etc. etc. No matter how many permutations you come up with, I can come up with situations that don't fit. Christianity is not a patriarchy.

I would recommend you listen to Michael Heiser's take on 1 Corinthians 11. Not that I necessarily agree with him, but it might make you pause from your misogyny.

 

[JChesney]

Evidence suggests that 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 is an interpolation that Paul didn't write.

link > Is 1 Corinthians 14:33-35 an interpolation?

at the link was said "Payne based some of his beliefs about these texts being an interpolation on the work of J. Edward Miller who had posited that various umlauts (distigmai) might have been an indication of scribal uncertainty concerning the authenticity of these passages."
Yes, it is.
In ms. Vaticanus (B, 03) we can see umlaut on the left near the text, where it ends of 1Cor 14:33 :

and this designation can mean the ambiguity of the copyist about the presence of verses 34-35, which could be due to another placement of these verses in those manuscripts that he possessed.

 

[JChesney]

In other words, this does not necessarily mean that the scribe knew the manuscripts without these verses at all.

 

[JChesney]

most likely he hesitated where he must placed 34-35, - here or after 40 v.

 

[jaybird88]

the Berean Jews tested Pauls teachings against scripture,. when we do the same thing with this no woman idea, you can not find anything. outside of Paul it does not exist.

 

[Nauga]

This would be absolutely hilarious if it was not so sad!. Look! The perpetrators of this hoax have taken TWO verses and made it a doctrine! Two verses taken totally out of context. What is the context? To get the proper context you need to start at chapter 1 verse 1 Paul is answering concerns of the Christian people, answering questions. All the way through! When he comes to the problem of women teaching, he states the "rule"
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.


35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Then he answers it!
36 Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? 37 If anyone thinks he is a prophet or is endowed with the Spirit, let him acknowledge that what I am writing you is a command of the Lord. 38 But if someone doesn’t recognize this, then let him remain unrecognized.

If you want to share the Word you should know the Word so you can share it accurately....on the other hand if you're just sharing opinions or Churchianity doctrines of demons, you need to make it clear.

This blat of women not being allowed to teach is a doctrine taught by demons.

 

[Nauga]

The proper context for interpreting the Bible is the context of the biblical writers- the context that produced the Bible. Every other context is alien to the biblical writers, and therefore, to the bible. Yet there is a pervasive tendency in the beliving Church to filter the Bible through creeds, confessions, and denominational preferences."

 

[Dino246]

The proper context for interpreting the Bible is the context of the biblical writers- the context that produced the Bible. Every other context is alien to the biblical writers, and therefore, to the bible. Yet there is a pervasive tendency in the beliving Church to filter the Bible through creeds, confessions, and denominational preferences."

... and through modern or recent traditions in the readers' culture.

 

[Nauga]

... and through modern or recent traditions in the readers' culture.

The proper context for interpreting the Bible is the context of the biblical writers- the context that produced the Bible. Every other context is alien to the biblical writers, and therefore, to the bible. Yet there is a pervasive tendency in the beliving Church to filter the Bible through creeds, confessions, and denominational preferences."

I meant to note here that this is a quote of Dr. Michael S. Heiser from his new book "Unseen Realm"

 

[7seasrekeyed]

What do you think the bible mean by a covering on the womans head. It is her husband. It seems that no one understand what the bible is saying. She is not alone, she is with her husband. The mans covering is Christ. Christ covering is God, and the womens covering is man, her husband.

you know I am coming to the alarming conclusion that some men actually might think that God does not hear their prayers

Jesus is our High Priest. we don't need an interpreter. we don't need a 'man'...any man...between us and God

however, I will state that it is a pleasure to have a godly praying with us and giving support, love and respect instead of trying to make women a little lower than the family dog

 

[7seasrekeyed]

If the men lord over them, then they are not true men of God. Women can teach women and Children. It's for the women's own protection. There is invisible spiritual world out there.

Not just sickness. There are witches every where. You could have stood in front or behind one in the grocery store. There is a spiritual war going on. We don't wrestle against flesh and blood. ephesians 6: 11- 17

interesting

and what if the 'covering' is demonic and beats his wife/daughter/mother

who yah gonna call?

no I have not been beaten...I'm making a point.

you are right about the spiritual world. and really really bad teaching, like you are offering, is a part of it

there are many women who are much spiritually stronger then the men they know in their lives

being male does not make one spiritually superior.

that's nonsense

 

[Nauga]

What do you think the bible mean by a covering on the womans head. It is her husband. It seems that no one understand what the bible is saying. She is not alone, she is with her husband. The mans covering is Christ. Christ covering is God, and the womens covering is man, her husband.

Do you really think the covering mentioned here is a man? If so, you really need to spend time in the Word rather than just looking for scriptures to prove your shaky point. I'm sorry my friend. You are wrong on this point. The covering mentioned in this verse is talking about a head covering...unless of course your daddy sat on your mothers head in church and you think that's the way to do it biblically? Hmm I thought not. Hugs on ya
The reason a woman should veil her head is to show that she is under authority....And that is more for the angels (fallen angels) than for mankind....

 

[7seasrekeyed]

you know I am coming to the alarming conclusion that some men actually might think that God does not hear their prayers

Jesus is our High Priest. we don't need an interpreter. we don't need a 'man'...any man...between us and God

however, I will state that it is a pleasure to have a godly praying with us and giving support, love and respect instead of trying to make women a little lower than the family dog

should have read a godly man praying with us

thinking a little further...with regard to prayer...agreement in prayer does not mean one person prays and the other amens everything

I would call that rubber stamping and God knows the difference

 

[pjharrison]

Dead fathers, unsaved fathers, molesting fathers, drunk fathers, etc. etc. No matter how many permutations you come up with, I can come up with situations that don't fit. Christianity is not a patriarchy.

I would recommend you listen to Michael Heiser's take on 1 Corinthians 11. Not that I necessarily agree with him, but it might make you pause from your misogyny.

Well all I can say is test it yourself. If you are not covered, see if you are attached or not. Demons love to torment, kill, and steal what knowledge of God you have away from you.

you know I am coming to the alarming conclusion that some men actually might think that God does not hear their prayers

Jesus is our High Priest. we don't need an interpreter. we don't need a 'man'...any man...between us and God

however, I will state that it is a pleasure to have a godly praying with us and giving support, love and respect instead of trying to make women a little lower than the family dog

Ephesians explain it. Ephesians 5: 21 - 33 The husband is the covering. By him just being united with his wife, covers her. He must love his wife as Christ loves the church (his body). So if the husband is bad to his wife, that is not loving her as Christ loves the church. And the wife must do good by her husband also. An example in the old testament of the man wearing the covering was Numbers 20 - 28 Moses removed Aarons garments and put them on his son Eleazar. And Aaron died there on the top of the mountain. Aarons garments represented a covering (Christ). When it was removed he died. Aaron and Miriam both went against Moses, but the one that caught leprosy was Miriam. Nothing happened to Aaron. The old testament was a shadow of the things to come.

 

[pjharrison]

Do you really think the covering mentioned here is a man? If so, you really need to spend time in the Word rather than just looking for scriptures to prove your shaky point. I'm sorry my friend. You are wrong on this point. The covering mentioned in this verse is talking about a head covering...unless of course your daddy sat on your mothers head in church and you think that's the way to do it biblically? Hmm I thought not. Hugs on ya
The reason a woman should veil her head is to show that she is under authority....And that is more for the angels (fallen angels) than for mankind....

 

[pjharrison]

If you read the verse before you will see what it is talking about. Cor:11: 2 - 3, You are understanding it earthy. You have to understand it spiritually. It's not talking about a physical hat. It's talking about a spiritual covering.

 

[Dino246]

Well all I can say is test it yourself. If you are not covered, see if you are attached or not. Demons love to torment, kill, and steal what knowledge of God you have away from you.

I'm covered by the blood of Jesus Christ.

 

[Dino246]

If you read the verse before you will see what it is talking about. Cor:11: 2 - 3, You are understanding it earthy. You have to understand it spiritually. It's not talking about a physical hat. It's talking about a spiritual covering.

Sure... and spiritual hair in verse 15.

Rofl...