Will the mark alone send a person to eternal damnation?
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No, understanding Computers will give you more understanding.
Right now all Microchips have a 15 digit number. When the whole worlds bank accounts goes on one Super Computer, they will have to add 3 more numbers to insure there are no duplicates. NOW with a 18 digit Number, it can be broken up between three hyphenated numbers.
123456-123456-123456. NOW 6 digits, 6 digits, and 6 digits, WILL BE your Permanent Bank Account System, and no one can buy or sell anything without one. With one of these RFID implanted in your right hand or forehead.
The FIRST SIX is already HERE:
https://www.tax.ohio.gov/portals/0/forms/corporation_franchise/2006/naicscodes.pdf
It is used for Taxation purposes. Look at the second column of the first page, AT HOLDING COMPANIES, there is the Bank you have your money in which is the SIX Digit NAICS Code. All they have to do to complete the 6.6.6 is pass a rule that makes it mandatory that everyone has an account number that is compatible to the NAICS Code System.
THE SECOND SIX most likely will be the Geographic Location of your front door.
THE THIRD SIX is Personal I.D. of the Person IN THAT HOUSE.
Yes, that means, you will have to get permission from the GOVERNMENT to MOVE.
I just found that NAICS Code, the six digit Business code for every single business there is. I HAD NO IDEA IT EXISTED.
We could all be under that System in a heart beat. YES that 6.6.6 would control every person on earth's bank account.
SCARY ISN'T IT ? ? ? But I am not worried, because I am a Pre-Trib absolute Believer and we will be gone to heaven for the Wedding of the LAMB, before this gets implemented.
Great point!!
Yes, but Abe lincoln is dead in the grave, and yet is shown here as being alive.
on the other hand,
Jesus is alive in heaven (not dead in the grave), and yet is shown perpetually hanging dead from a cross.
Besides, The penny is not prayed to or worshipped (well actually making a wish on a heads-up penny is a form of idolatry) , but the rosary (with dead man on cross) is prayed to and worshiped.
Yes, but Abe lincoln is dead in the grave, and yet is shown here as being alive.
on the other hand,
Jesus is alive in heaven (not dead in the grave), and yet is shown perpetually hanging dead from a cross.
Besides, The penny is not prayed to or worshipped (well actually making a wish on a heads-up penny is a form of idolatry) , but the rosary (with dead man on cross) is prayed to and worshiped.
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The Roman Catholic Church claims many things. They claim that the man on the crucifix had come alive and spoke to Thomas Aquinas. The man on the crucifix told Aquinas, "you have written well of me". This would mean that Thomas Aquinas is a prophet and apostle who wrote the Word of God. One of the things Aquinas wrote about was the justification for the killing of heretics. They claim that Thomas Aquinas is a Saint... and those who protest against the Roman Catholic Church are heretics and not saints.
If you are claiming this is
the "image of the beast" then it would male Jesus the beast.
I would think mankind is the image of beast of the field .Faithless men make men into gods in the likeness of men .and not in the likeness of God's invisible image. We understand as he give us his understanding it come from hearing within
Jesus had a earthen body subject to death yet knew no sin. The unseen power to finish the work was not of Jesus seen but the unseen work of the father working in him with him . The perfect gospel to demonstrate the work of the Father and the Son
Needed to edit : as for the mark.. one has to get pasted "ALL will worship the beast or die". So.. you worshipped it or your died. Just the simple worship your lost. No one on the plant will have the mark first. And you/we have nothing to worry about. Our names are already written in the lambs book and the ONLY ones that worship take the mark are those that are not written in the lambs book. This is also in Rev 
So rejoice!
No expert on antichrist. But I think numbers matter and what was written is 600,60,6 and then some scrolls ( not many) show 600,16,6. I always wondered. is it just 666 or do the "0" mean anything? In English we say 666.. not them.
As for the CROSS! Maybe one should have just asked "ok show of hands of those that believe Christ is still hanging on the cross? No hands means He rose"
Yeah.. thats it no? I have a picture of Christ my kids bought me.. a old painting. And a gold cross with Christ on it. Now.. I don't talk bow to that picture nor the cross round my neck. Not him. If I was around someone that KNEW it was wrong.. I would not ware it
We know WHERE Christ is.. He told us.. as His Fathers house to make us a home and IS PRAISE GOD! Coming back for us! WOOT! So if YOU don't like a cross or a picture.. praise GOD.. get rid of them!
It would be interesting to see how the Antichrist looks. Well we know Christ as its written before He rose.. was not one to look at. I think lawless one will come very different. No clue
So rejoice!No expert on antichrist. But I think numbers matter and what was written is 600,60,6 and then some scrolls ( not many) show 600,16,6. I always wondered. is it just 666 or do the "0" mean anything? In English we say 666.. not them.
As for the CROSS! Maybe one should have just asked "ok show of hands of those that believe Christ is still hanging on the cross? No hands means He rose"
Yeah.. thats it no? I have a picture of Christ my kids bought me.. a old painting. And a gold cross with Christ on it. Now.. I don't talk bow to that picture nor the cross round my neck. Not him. If I was around someone that KNEW it was wrong.. I would not ware it
We know WHERE Christ is.. He told us.. as His Fathers house to make us a home and IS PRAISE GOD! Coming back for us! WOOT! So if YOU don't like a cross or a picture.. praise GOD.. get rid of them!
It would be interesting to see how the Antichrist looks. Well we know Christ as its written before He rose.. was not one to look at. I think lawless one will come very different. No clue
Really? 666 is defined in Scripture as the number of man. How could it be a person in Christ? Would it not be a person with the spirit of anti-Christ? How is that meaningless? One either believes in the shed righteous blood of Christ to pay our sin debt and live forever after, or disbelieves and dies the second death. I do not count any of that as meaningless.
VERY NICE BORDER!
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No I am saying he lived in a earthly body of death just as with us. God is not a man. He is eternal Spirit
2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
Really? 666 is defined in Scripture as the number of man. How could it be a person in Christ? Would it not be a person with the spirit of anti-Christ? How is that meaningless? One either believes in the shed righteous blood of Christ to pay our sin debt and live forever after, or disbelieves and dies the second death. I do not count any of that as meaningless.
Jesus as the Son of God. His flesh of 33 years was corrupted like ours but he knew no sin . it was necessary to do what the letter of the law could not do created new spirit life. (the law of faith)
Of that useless flesh he informs us it profits for nothing zero . It was the pouring of of Spirit life on the Son that did profit .We continue to walk by faith.
So by looking at the Son of man his body does fit the 666 beast of the field representing sin . The one time demonstration is over. Never will he appear in the corrupted flesh for another demonstration .
I don't care to slog through 14 more pages of this.
That verse can be read different ways. I read it differently at the start than I am now.
Is it unreasonable to assume that some do not have any inclination to worship the beast directly but by receiving his mark are essentially swearing allegiance?
Is it unreasonable to assume that some have erred with worship of the enemy...consider occult practitioners who have later become saved. That would, in no wise, accept such a mark having repented and been redeemed?
Like can you not imagine a scenario with all the excuses where a person states...well I didn't mine the blood diamond, I didn't sell the blood diamond, I want NOTHING to do with the whole blood diamond thing...but there was one article (in this instance scripture) that stated that blood diamonds were on the market and NOT to buy any diamonds and in your heart you knew that you didn't have to and you shouldn't but you convinced yourself with no way to prove it that you wouldn't purchase said blood diamond...but then this burning desire to buy a diamond was too much to resist. You get to the jeweler and almost without a doubt you knew that this would be the trade and you purchase one. Later it is found out that they were all indeed blood diamonds...but ah, you are so against the entire system and you didn't know! You're in the clear because you are against the roots of the system but now you are bound to it in a way inescapable.
^Super vague analogy, if it's helpful to anyone I could try to rework it.
This is a package deal, you can have a mark like you can have a bit of technology...not really liking it very much, not really devoted to it, not wanting to even recognize it but being enslaved by it...through a choice. The question is how clear that choice will be
that in itself is unclear to me. Sometimes I think it will be incredibly clear for each person and other times I think that it will be coercive to an extreme that a person would almost be guiltless in my eyes..."almost" and that thankfully it is not up to me.
A thought occurred to me and I hope indeed it's from the Lord, but ideally acceptance of the mark isn't a long decline into inevitable defeat like civil war in the U.S but rather as clear as having sex. There are more than a few people that would take back losing their virginity outside marriage I am certain but you can't get it back. Like, you didn't know it would be like that, but umm you did know what you were doing was wrong. Others obviously exult in such things (but since there aren't many that come through roaring down the broad way intentionally I'll leave it).
Since we are all unique, it stands to reason that it would be a rather different choice for everyone but I am optimistic that it is that clear. No escaping that it is done or that it is about to be done and turning away. The coercion such as date rape is an additional element to consider but I believe the Lord is just and it is likely that in the instance of an eternally damning decision you would still have a choice somewhere.
The difference in this last of course is that the Lord does restore and has forgiveness although in that area it varies person to person and is a sowing and reaping weighing.
I do pray for courage for those who by foolishness and procrastination are met with an immediate "accept or die" ultimatum by near total surprise.
There are many ways to read the number and have wisdom concerning it. Although the wisdom doesn't necessarily translate when we get to esoteric "specifically" it can still hearken unto the wisdom of others and refine us together.
That verse can be read different ways. I read it differently at the start than I am now.
Is it unreasonable to assume that some do not have any inclination to worship the beast directly but by receiving his mark are essentially swearing allegiance?
Is it unreasonable to assume that some have erred with worship of the enemy...consider occult practitioners who have later become saved. That would, in no wise, accept such a mark having repented and been redeemed?
Like can you not imagine a scenario with all the excuses where a person states...well I didn't mine the blood diamond, I didn't sell the blood diamond, I want NOTHING to do with the whole blood diamond thing...but there was one article (in this instance scripture) that stated that blood diamonds were on the market and NOT to buy any diamonds and in your heart you knew that you didn't have to and you shouldn't but you convinced yourself with no way to prove it that you wouldn't purchase said blood diamond...but then this burning desire to buy a diamond was too much to resist. You get to the jeweler and almost without a doubt you knew that this would be the trade and you purchase one. Later it is found out that they were all indeed blood diamonds...but ah, you are so against the entire system and you didn't know! You're in the clear because you are against the roots of the system but now you are bound to it in a way inescapable.
^Super vague analogy, if it's helpful to anyone I could try to rework it.
This is a package deal, you can have a mark like you can have a bit of technology...not really liking it very much, not really devoted to it, not wanting to even recognize it but being enslaved by it...through a choice. The question is how clear that choice will be
that in itself is unclear to me. Sometimes I think it will be incredibly clear for each person and other times I think that it will be coercive to an extreme that a person would almost be guiltless in my eyes..."almost" and that thankfully it is not up to me.
A thought occurred to me and I hope indeed it's from the Lord, but ideally acceptance of the mark isn't a long decline into inevitable defeat like civil war in the U.S but rather as clear as having sex. There are more than a few people that would take back losing their virginity outside marriage I am certain but you can't get it back. Like, you didn't know it would be like that, but umm you did know what you were doing was wrong. Others obviously exult in such things (but since there aren't many that come through roaring down the broad way intentionally I'll leave it).
Since we are all unique, it stands to reason that it would be a rather different choice for everyone but I am optimistic that it is that clear. No escaping that it is done or that it is about to be done and turning away. The coercion such as date rape is an additional element to consider but I believe the Lord is just and it is likely that in the instance of an eternally damning decision you would still have a choice somewhere.
The difference in this last of course is that the Lord does restore and has forgiveness although in that area it varies person to person and is a sowing and reaping weighing.
I do pray for courage for those who by foolishness and procrastination are met with an immediate "accept or die" ultimatum by near total surprise.
There are many ways to read the number and have wisdom concerning it. Although the wisdom doesn't necessarily translate when we get to esoteric "specifically" it can still hearken unto the wisdom of others and refine us together.
Yes what you say is true. Men follow other men which leads to death, only those who follow Christ Jesus will never see death.
But Revelation 13 is very specific and detailed. It isn't talking about something esoteric and is giving believers
Daniel, 2 Thessalonians, and Revelation contain prophesies given for believers to be able to navigate through the different tactics the enemy will use throughout the coming ages.
Listed in the above posts (#395, #391, #379, #378, #376, #374) are some of the tactics and prophesy fulfillments of the Roman Catholic Church (2nd Beast) throughout the middle ages.
But, this period is no more! For example the tactic of inquisition is over, the tactic of excommunication (preventing those to buy and sell) is over.
The oppressive tactics of Church (2nd Beast) and State (1st Beast) is now not!
Today those who refuse to be marked with the sign of the cross and those who refuse to worship the image of the man 666 on the cross no longer risk their lives. They are no longer turned over to the State (1st Beast) to be oppressed , imprisoned and sentenced. THIS PERIOD is OVER! The (1st or 2nd) Beast is now not!!!
We are now in the Whore of Babylon Period. Where the Beast once was, now is not, and yet will come again!!!
The Whore of Babylon Period is this:
SECOND VATICAN's DECREE ON ECUMENISM: "The restoration of unity among all Christians is one of the principal concerns of the Second Vatican Council." "The Sacred Council exhorts all the Catholic faithful to recognize the signs of the times and to take an active and intelligent part in the work of ecumenism. The term "ecumenical movement" indicates the initiatives and activities planned and undertaken, according to the various needs of the Church and as opportunities offer, to promote Christian unity."
http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_...ecree_19641121_unitatis-redintegratio_en.html
Today you have many denominations that once broke away from the Roman Catholic Church (2nd Beast) now coming back into discussions, agreements, partial communion and even full communion with the Roman Catholic Church (Whore of Babylon).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_communion#Full_and_partial_communion
She, The Roman Catholic Church, has changed her tactics in the 20th century.
In the era of the Whore of Babylon, the image of the beast remains, the mark of the beast remains, the man of lawlessness remains, the unholy trinity remains, but they are not forced upon the people anymore. Unity in bringing the different chistian denominations and sects back under the reign of the Papacy, the man of Lawlessness. Unity with Roman Catholic Church is bringing the man-made rituals of the Roman Catholic Church such as Lent, ash wednesday, Nicene Creed, and more, back into protestant denominations.
https://www.americamagazine.org/fai...urches-are-embracing-some-catholic-traditions
Yes, all those churches that site Nicene Creed, are professing to be under the Roman Catholic Pope.
In reciting the Nicene Creed one professes to be under the "One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
Vatican I decrees that Full Apostolic Authority lies under the succession of Peter, which is the Roman Papacy.
Read SESSION 4: 18 July 1870
Chapter 4: "That apostolic primacy which the Roman pontiff possesses as successor of Peter, the prince of the apostles, includes also the supreme power of teaching."
http://www.documentacatholicaomnia.eu/03d/1869-1869,_Concilium_Vaticanum_I,_Documenta_Omnia,_EN.pdf
What Revelation is telling us is that an apostasy will arise and remain until Christ's Return. This apostasy, at its core, is the Roman Catholic Church. 2 Thessalonians 2 tells us that God permits this apostasy to perpetuate so that 'a strong delusion exists for those who refuse to love the truth and so be saved'.
What Revelation and Daniel are prophesying is that the Roman Catholic Church can NEVER be reformed! NEVER!
We must ALWAYS rebel against the Roman Catholic Church. We must always protest against her, fully!
BOTTOM LINE: Any Church that is having cooperation, compromise, or partial communion with Roman Catholic Church is FALSE, and are under the umbrella of the Whore of Babylon
But Revelation 13 is very specific and detailed. It isn't talking about something esoteric and is giving believers
Daniel, 2 Thessalonians, and Revelation contain prophesies given for believers to be able to navigate through the different tactics the enemy will use throughout the coming ages.
Listed in the above posts (#395, #391, #379, #378, #376, #374) are some of the tactics and prophesy fulfillments of the Roman Catholic Church (2nd Beast) throughout the middle ages.
But, this period is no more! For example the tactic of inquisition is over, the tactic of excommunication (preventing those to buy and sell) is over.
The oppressive tactics of Church (2nd Beast) and State (1st Beast) is now not!
Today those who refuse to be marked with the sign of the cross and those who refuse to worship the image of the man 666 on the cross no longer risk their lives. They are no longer turned over to the State (1st Beast) to be oppressed , imprisoned and sentenced. THIS PERIOD is OVER! The (1st or 2nd) Beast is now not!!!
We are now in the Whore of Babylon Period. Where the Beast once was, now is not, and yet will come again!!!
The Whore of Babylon Period is this:
SECOND VATICAN's DECREE ON ECUMENISM: "The restoration of unity among all Christians is one of the principal concerns of the Second Vatican Council." "The Sacred Council exhorts all the Catholic faithful to recognize the signs of the times and to take an active and intelligent part in the work of ecumenism. The term "ecumenical movement" indicates the initiatives and activities planned and undertaken, according to the various needs of the Church and as opportunities offer, to promote Christian unity."
http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_...ecree_19641121_unitatis-redintegratio_en.html
Today you have many denominations that once broke away from the Roman Catholic Church (2nd Beast) now coming back into discussions, agreements, partial communion and even full communion with the Roman Catholic Church (Whore of Babylon).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_communion#Full_and_partial_communion
She, The Roman Catholic Church, has changed her tactics in the 20th century.
In the era of the Whore of Babylon, the image of the beast remains, the mark of the beast remains, the man of lawlessness remains, the unholy trinity remains, but they are not forced upon the people anymore. Unity in bringing the different chistian denominations and sects back under the reign of the Papacy, the man of Lawlessness. Unity with Roman Catholic Church is bringing the man-made rituals of the Roman Catholic Church such as Lent, ash wednesday, Nicene Creed, and more, back into protestant denominations.
https://www.americamagazine.org/fai...urches-are-embracing-some-catholic-traditions
Yes, all those churches that site Nicene Creed, are professing to be under the Roman Catholic Pope.
In reciting the Nicene Creed one professes to be under the "One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
Vatican I decrees that Full Apostolic Authority lies under the succession of Peter, which is the Roman Papacy.
Read SESSION 4: 18 July 1870
Chapter 4: "That apostolic primacy which the Roman pontiff possesses as successor of Peter, the prince of the apostles, includes also the supreme power of teaching."
http://www.documentacatholicaomnia.eu/03d/1869-1869,_Concilium_Vaticanum_I,_Documenta_Omnia,_EN.pdf
What Revelation is telling us is that an apostasy will arise and remain until Christ's Return. This apostasy, at its core, is the Roman Catholic Church. 2 Thessalonians 2 tells us that God permits this apostasy to perpetuate so that 'a strong delusion exists for those who refuse to love the truth and so be saved'.
What Revelation and Daniel are prophesying is that the Roman Catholic Church can NEVER be reformed! NEVER!
We must ALWAYS rebel against the Roman Catholic Church. We must always protest against her, fully!
BOTTOM LINE: Any Church that is having cooperation, compromise, or partial communion with Roman Catholic Church is FALSE, and are under the umbrella of the Whore of Babylon