Why was Cain's offer rejected?

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studentoftheword

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#21
God knows our hearts and mind when we go before Him

Able's heart and motive was right with God when he brought his Sacrifice -----

Strong's #58: 'abel (pronounced aw-bale')
from an unused root (meaning to be grassy); a meadow:--plain :to grow green, to withstand

Cain on the other hand------

His heart and motive were not right with God when he brought his sacrifice -----and that shows went he deceived his brother to go into the field with him -----

Cain was a decepter and had no regard for laying down an acceptable sacrifice for God -----

Cain was deceptive in his attitude which triggered anger and jealousy ----

The name Cain in Hebrew literally means ====lance

Strong's Lexicon
qayin: Cain
Meaning: a lance

Hebrew word for Lance

Strong's Lexicon
romach
Definition: Spear, lance
Meaning: a lance,

Word Origin: From an unused root meaning to pierce
 

homwardbound

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#22
Pick a charity or two and give a regular donation. If someone , anyone , personally asks me for money and I have it , I always give it . Donate your unwanted goods to Goodwill rather than throwing them away . There r lots of ways u can honour God with your substance .
Believe, receive, give as led and be well in our Souls, thanks and welcome aboard With the Love of God spread about in your heart new one given you by God for you in risen Son to you
Ezekiel 36:26, Psalm 103:12. 100:4, John 19:30 is now risen the sin issue over for us to be new in the risen Son as I see you are, and thank you
 

Webers.Home

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Heb 11:4 . . It was by faith that Abel brought a more acceptable offering
to God than Cain did. God accepted Abel's offering to show that he was a
righteous man.

There's no indication in Gen 4:3-5 suggesting their offerings were sacrifices
for sin. The Hebrew word is minchah (min-khaw') which basically means: to
apportion, i.e. bestow; a donation; euphemistically, tribute; specifically a
sacrificial offering (usually bloodless and voluntary). In point of fact, sin
offerings are typically in the holocaust category and go by the Hebrew name
'olah (o-law') instead of minchah.

Ancient rabbis understood the brothers' offerings to be a "first fruits" kind of
ritual.

T. And it was at the end of days, on the fourteenth of Nisan, that Kain
brought of the produce of the earth, the seed of cotton (or line), an oblation
of first things before the Lord; and Habel brought of the firstlings of the
flock. (Targum Jonathan)

Seeing as how Cain was a farmer, then in his case, an amount of produce
was the appropriate first fruits offering, and seeing as how Abel was an
animal husbandman, then in his case a head of livestock was appropriate.
(Gen 4:3-4)

This incident is not said to be the very first time they brought gifts to God.
The brothers (and very likely their parents too), probably had been bringing
gifts for many years; ever since they were lads. And up to this point,
apparently both men were doing everything right and God was just as much
pleased with Cain and his gifts as He was with Abel and his gifts. So then,
why were Cain and his offering unacceptable this time around?

Cain had become a different man, i.e. he was no longer righteous; instead
he had become unrighteous. In other words; Abel was the kind of man
whom God approves whereas Cain had become the kind of man whom God
disapproves; and there are no rituals that can make up for that shortcoming.
(Prv 15:8)

"And The Lord said to Cain: If you do what is right, will you not be
accepted?" (Gen 4:6-7)

Cain believed in the existence of a supreme being; that was good, and his
ritual was timely; that was good too. But Cain's piety was flawed, i.e. his
personal conduct didn't satisfy God's standards relative to right and wrong,
ergo: Cain's ways tainted his offering and made it unacceptable.

Cain's situation is well illustrated by Isa 1:11-20. Moses' people were
offering all the covenanted sacrifices, they were praying up a storm, and
observing all the God-given feasts and holy days. He rejected all of it, even
though He himself required it, because the people's personal conduct was
unbecoming.

This is a very useful biblical illustration of Jas 2:17-26 wherein is said, in so
many words, that faith without works is dead.

FAQ: In what way might Cain's piety have been lacking?

REPLY: Well, my first guess would be bad blood between him and his
younger sibling (Matt 5:23-24) and Cain was insolent and rude; even to his
maker (Gen 4:9) all in all; Cain was teetering on the point of no return and
at risk of becoming incorrigible.

"But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to
have you, but you must master it." (Gen 4:7b)

This is the first mention of self control in the Bible. In other words: God
created mankind with the capability to choose bad ways for itself; but that's
only half the story. God also created mankind with the capability to choose
good ways for itself; so He wasn't requiring something impossible from Cain
like touching his right elbow with the thumb of his right hand.

* Folks unified with Christ are not exempt from self control. In point of fact;
without self control, their faith has a problem.

"Do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. Do
not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but
rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death
to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as instruments of
righteousness." (Rom 6:12-13)

"If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and
do not live by the truth." (1John 1:6)
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Aaron56

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Even from the text we can see that Adam and Eve first constructed coverings from leaves. But the Lord provided coverings from the skin of animals. There was a change in economy signaled by this work of the Lord.
 

Webers.Home

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#25
Even from the text we can see that Adam and Eve first constructed coverings from leaves. But
the Lord provided coverings from the skin of animals. There was a change in economy signaled
by this work of the Lord.

None of the skins of the animals offered in the Levitical atonement system
are used for clothing, rather, all are incinerated.

The thing is: leather fabric is far more durable than fig leafs. So in my
estimation, the switch from leafs to hides was just a practical
consideration.
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Aaron56

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None of the skins of the animals offered in the Levitical atonement system
are used for clothing, rather, all are incinerated.


The thing is: leather fabric is far more durable than fig leafs. So in my
estimation, the switch from leafs to hides was just a practical
consideration.
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I mean, if you can’t see the implication of being covered by the skin of a sacrificed animal, I don’t know what to tell you…
 

Webers.Home

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Gen 3:21 . . And the Lord God made garments of skins for Adam and his
wife, and clothed them.

The identity of the species of animal that God slaughtered in order to make the
Adams their first suit of real clothing is unknown.

That day, humans learned something about the advantages of leather
goods. Most of it is produced from cattle hides: calfskin, goatskin, kidskin,
sheepskin, and lambskin. Other hides and skins used include those of the
horse, pig, kangaroo, deer, crocodile, alligator, seal, walrus, and of late;
python. Humans have used animal skins for a variety of practical purposes
since ancient times, and to this good day leather is still a useful material all
around the world.

The exact cut and design of their garments isn't specified; the Hebrew words
just indicate a shirt, or covering; as hanging from the shoulder.

A garment hanging from the shoulder indicates that Eve's topless days were
over; although that wouldn't necessarily rule out the possibility that she may
have become the Gabrielle "Coco" Chanel of her day and created some
interesting necklines.

The garments actually facilitated the people's association with God. They
were uncomfortable around their maker in the buff, even in the semi-buff,
and that was principally the reason they hid from The Lord when He came
calling. However, fig leaves aren't very durable; they're merely an
expedient. God showed them a much better way-- actually a way they would
never have thought of all by themselves because who would have guessed
that animals could be killed and their hides peeled off for clothing until God
showed them?

We should note that God wasn't indifferent to the Adams' situation. Their
feelings of disgrace in the nude was a barrier between themselves and their
maker, so God showed them a really good way to overcome it: a way that
not only improved the quality of their association with God; but also greatly
enhanced their limited survival skills.

The point to note is that the clothing that mankind's maker crafted for the
Adams didn't cost them one red cent nor did they have to contribute even
the slightest bit of labor to its construction. God slaughtered the animals,
treated the hides, and fabricated the garments Himself; and gave the
clothing to them totally free of charge and no strings attached. However, I
wouldn't be a bit surprised if the couple watched how God went about the
whole business so they'd know how to do it for themselves.

They'd eventually have to know how to make a knife and start a fire; so I
suspect God showed them how to do that too, which would've been just as
essential as garments because it wasn't long before the Adams lost their
comfy environment and had to go out into the big bad cruel world to make
their own way as pioneers lacking the most basic conveniences; even so
much as a roof over their heads.
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Why was Cain's offering rejected and Abel's accepted? And also please explain how can I properly thank the Lord? I am a web designer, so I only make money. How can I offer thanks with money properly so I do not invoke His wrath?

Your answer is found in 'how' sin changed the world.



16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.



1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. 2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. 3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD. 4And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering: 5But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect.


It is that simple (and it always is when the Holy Spirit leads)


Where do you best serve the Lord with the money you make? That too is simple...where HIS WORD is taught, where His wish is fulfilled.

Matt 28

The Great Commission

16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. 18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


How do you KNOW where that can be found? By His WORDS/what is written and NOT through the traditions or wisdom of man. Can you find what you believe written in HIS WORDS? If not, then it is not HIS, simple as that.


Does God instruct in this area?

7 But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.

8 For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.

9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. 13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.


God forms HIS TRUTH in us through His words, in the order His words are given, and not in a random way. Notice the 'here a little there a little COMES AFTER the precept on precept, precept on precept....and not before.


If the Bible were to be taught in THAT way, in all the churches today, none of the doctrines or traditions OF MEN would be taught because when we were given any 'new' information, we would already know what was/could be and what was not/could not be, of Gods truth. But when one jumps in, in the middle, not having the proper foundation, the words of God can be made to say anything...
 

homwardbound

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Heb 11:4 . . It was by faith that Abel brought a more acceptable offering
to God than Cain did. God accepted Abel's offering to show that he was a
righteous man.


There's no indication in Gen 4:3-5 suggesting their offerings were sacrifices
for sin. The Hebrew word is minchah (min-khaw') which basically means: to
apportion, i.e. bestow; a donation; euphemistically, tribute; specifically a
sacrificial offering (usually bloodless and voluntary). In point of fact, sin
offerings are typically in the holocaust category and go by the Hebrew name
'olah (o-law') instead of minchah.


Ancient rabbis understood the brothers' offerings to be a "first fruits" kind of
ritual.


T. And it was at the end of days, on the fourteenth of Nisan, that Kain
brought of the produce of the earth, the seed of cotton (or line), an oblation
of first things before the Lord; and Habel brought of the firstlings of the
flock. (Targum Jonathan)


Seeing as how Cain was a farmer, then in his case, an amount of produce
was the appropriate first fruits offering, and seeing as how Abel was an
animal husbandman, then in his case a head of livestock was appropriate.
(Gen 4:3-4)


This incident is not said to be the very first time they brought gifts to God.
The brothers (and very likely their parents too), probably had been bringing
gifts for many years; ever since they were lads. And up to this point,
apparently both men were doing everything right and God was just as much
pleased with Cain and his gifts as He was with Abel and his gifts. So then,
why were Cain and his offering unacceptable this time around?


Cain had become a different man, i.e. he was no longer righteous; instead
he had become unrighteous. In other words; Abel was the kind of man
whom God approves whereas Cain had become the kind of man whom God
disapproves; and there are no rituals that can make up for that shortcoming.
(Prv 15:8)


"And The Lord said to Cain: If you do what is right, will you not be
accepted?" (Gen 4:6-7)


Cain believed in the existence of a supreme being; that was good, and his
ritual was timely; that was good too. But Cain's piety was flawed, i.e. his
personal conduct didn't satisfy God's standards relative to right and wrong,
ergo: Cain's ways tainted his offering and made it unacceptable.


Cain's situation is well illustrated by Isa 1:11-20. Moses' people were
offering all the covenanted sacrifices, they were praying up a storm, and
observing all the God-given feasts and holy days. He rejected all of it, even
though He himself required it, because the people's personal conduct was
unbecoming.


This is a very useful biblical illustration of Jas 2:17-26 wherein is said, in so
many words, that faith without works is dead.


FAQ: In what way might Cain's piety have been lacking?

REPLY: Well, my first guess would be bad blood between him and his
younger sibling (Matt 5:23-24) and Cain was insolent and rude; even to his
maker (Gen 4:9) all in all; Cain was teetering on the point of no return and
at risk of becoming incorrigible.


"But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to
have you, but you must master it." (Gen 4:7b)


This is the first mention of self control in the Bible. In other words: God
created mankind with the capability to choose bad ways for itself; but that's
only half the story. God also created mankind with the capability to choose
good ways for itself; so He wasn't requiring something impossible from Cain
like touching his right elbow with the thumb of his right hand.


* Folks unified with Christ are not exempt from self control. In point of fact;
without self control, their faith has a problem.


"Do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. Do
not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but
rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death
to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as instruments of
righteousness." (Rom 6:12-13)


"If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and
do not live by the truth." (1John 1:6)
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which I see today, only father and Son discern it through me to have self-control
Yet this be God working God's Love of 1 Cor 13:4-7 through me, God getting all the credit, not me anymore
Thanks I like the post
 

Bob-Carabbio

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Why was Cain's offering rejected and Abel's accepted? And also please explain how can I properly thank the Lord? I am a web designer, so I only make money. How can I offer thanks with money properly so I do not invoke His wrath?
Able offered BLOOD, while Cain offered the product f the cursed earth. Cain apparently knew better, but did his own way in spite of that.