Why isn’t the new covenant part of “Isaiah only”?

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BenjaminN

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I am just curious how others who do not rightly divide the word of truth understand this topic.

For me, I believe in the following scripture for the Body of Christ. Ephesians 4:30, so yes we are automatically preserved until the rapture.

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
We the renewed Israel Body of Christ is preserved until the end of the earth, before its destruction, following our rapture after the great tribulation. (Matthew 24)
 
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We the renewed Israel Body of Christ is preserved until the end of the earth, before its destruction, following our rapture after the great tribulation. (Matthew 24)
Oh for my case, I believe the Body of Christ has a different destiny from the nation Israel after the tribulation. We will be in the heavens. and I believed we will be God's replacement for all the fallen angels who followed Satan.

But for the nation Israel, they will be given a land on Earth forever as promised to their father Abraham in Genesis:

Genesis 13:14-15 After Lot had departed, the LORD said to Abram, “Now lift up your eyes from the place where you are, and look to the north and south and east and west, 15for all the land that you see, I will give to you and your offspring forever.
 

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Oh for my case, I believe the Body of Christ has a different destiny from the nation Israel after the tribulation. We will be in the heavens. and I believed we will be God's replacement for all the fallen angels who followed Satan.

But for the nation Israel, they will be given a land on Earth forever as promised to their father Abraham in Genesis:

Genesis 13:14-15 After Lot had departed, the LORD said to Abram, “Now lift up your eyes from the place where you are, and look to the north and south and east and west, 15for all the land that you see, I will give to you and your offspring forever.
You have been deceived by the devil's false soothing spirit of hyper-grace found in dispensationalism and replacement theology. The gospel of the kingdom is only proclaimed until it has reached the whole world (including Jerusalem in Judah where it started out from), then the final end of this earth will come:


Matthew 24 (ESV)


14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. 29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

There is no earth left after the next return of Jesus Christ / Yeshua ha'Mashiach.

You are talking about the part of Israel that never accepts Christ / Messiah. They are lost forever. That portion of Israel that eternally rejected Jesus Christ / Yeshua ha'Mashiach, their broken covenant was never renewed, their eternal rejection of God's grace will be met with His eternal rejection of them - its a broken covenant they are clinging to, if they do not enter the renewed covenant under Jesus Christ / Yeshua ha'Mashiach before his next final return.

Before Ezekiel 37 - 48 comes into fruition, and the great tribulation of the anti-Christ follows all days on earth, as he enters the renewed Ezekiel 40 temple, as a god to be worshipped only, at the last 3.5 years of the existence of this earth, the Jews' spirit of stupor of Romans 11, will also be lifted with the spirit of grace, and they will also join Romans 11's Olive Tree, the renewed Israel Body of Christ when the prophesy of Zechariah 12:10 goes into fruition:


Romans 11 (ESV)


7 What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened, 8 as it is written, "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that would not see and ears that would not hear, down to this very day." 15 For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead?


Zechariah 12 (ESV)


10 "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.


When Christ returns for his renewed Israel Body of Christ, he destroys this earth and all on it that are not raptured after the great tribulation. Mathew 24:29


Matthew 24 (ESV)


29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.


2 Peter 3 (ESV)


10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed.


Revelation 21 (ESV)


1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.


1 Corinthians 3 (ESV)


12 Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw— 13 each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done.


Luke 17 (ESV)


29 but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all— 30 so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed.


2 Thessalonians 1 (ESV)


7 and to grant relief to you who are afflicted as well as to us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels 8 in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.


Malachi 3 (ESV)


2 But who can endure the day of his coming, and who can stand when he appears? For he is like a refiner's fire and like fullers' soap.


Psalms 50 (ESV)


3 Our God comes; he does not keep silence; before him is a devouring fire, around him a mighty tempest.


Isaiah 66 (ESV)


15 "For behold, the Lord will come in fire, and his chariots like the whirlwind, to render his anger in fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.


Revelation 20 (ESV)


9 And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and consumed them, 10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
 
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You have been deceived by the devil's false soothing spirit of hyper-grace found in dispensationalism and replacement theology. The gospel of the kingdom is only proclaimed until it has reached the whole world (including Jerusalem in Judah where it started out from), then the final end of this earth will come:


Matthew 24 (ESV)


14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. 29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

There is no earth left after the next return of Jesus Christ / Yeshua ha'Mashiach.

You are talking about the part of Israel that never accepts Christ / Messiah. They are lost forever. That portion of Israel that eternally rejected Jesus Christ / Yeshua ha'Mashiach, their broken covenant was never renewed, their eternal rejection of God's grace will be met with His eternal rejection of them - its a broken covenant they are clinging to, if they do not enter the renewed covenant under Jesus Christ / Yeshua ha'Mashiach before his next final return.

Before Ezekiel 37 - 48 comes into fruition, and the great tribulation of the anti-Christ follows all days on earth, as he enters the renewed Ezekiel 40 temple, as a god to be worshipped only, at the last 3.5 years of the existence of this earth, the Jews' spirit of stupor of Romans 11, will also be lifted with the spirit of grace, and they will also join Romans 11's Olive Tree, the renewed Israel Body of Christ when the prophesy of Zechariah 12:10 goes into fruition:


Romans 11 (ESV)


7 What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened, 8 as it is written, "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that would not see and ears that would not hear, down to this very day." 15 For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead?


Zechariah 12 (ESV)


10 "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.


When Christ returns for his renewed Israel Body of Christ, he destroys this earth and all on it that are not raptured after the great tribulation. Mathew 24:29


Matthew 24 (ESV)


29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.


2 Peter 3 (ESV)


10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed.


Revelation 21 (ESV)


1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.


1 Corinthians 3 (ESV)


12 Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw— 13 each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done.


Luke 17 (ESV)


29 but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all— 30 so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed.


2 Thessalonians 1 (ESV)


7 and to grant relief to you who are afflicted as well as to us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels 8 in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.


Malachi 3 (ESV)


2 But who can endure the day of his coming, and who can stand when he appears? For he is like a refiner's fire and like fullers' soap.


Psalms 50 (ESV)


3 Our God comes; he does not keep silence; before him is a devouring fire, around him a mighty tempest.


Isaiah 66 (ESV)


15 "For behold, the Lord will come in fire, and his chariots like the whirlwind, to render his anger in fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.


Revelation 20 (ESV)


9 And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and consumed them, 10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
I could say the same to you too, but We are by definition, the protagonist, so why bother? 🤣
 

BenjaminN

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I could say the same to you too, but We are by definition, the protagonist, so why bother? 🤣
How does your point of view interpret this prophesy:

Zechariah 12 (ESV)

10 "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.
 
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How does your point of view interpret this prophesy:

Zechariah 12 (ESV)

10 "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.
I would look at Zech 8 and Zech 14 to understand Israel's place on Earth after the Tribulation.
 

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Oh for my case, I believe the Body of Christ has a different destiny from the nation Israel after the tribulation. We will be in the heavens. and I believed we will be God's replacement for all the fallen angels who followed Satan.

But for the nation Israel, they will be given a land on Earth forever as promised to their father Abraham in Genesis:

Genesis 13:14-15 After Lot had departed, the LORD said to Abram, “Now lift up your eyes from the place where you are, and look to the north and south and east and west, 15for all the land that you see, I will give to you and your offspring forever.
Is your vision for the "nation Israel" "after the tribulation", to "be given a land on Earth forever" going to happen in your view on this earth or the new earth?
 
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Is your vision for the "nation Israel" "after the tribulation", to "be given a land on Earth forever" going to happen in your view on this earth or the new earth?
It will begin in the millennial rule of Christ after the tribulation

I will leave it to you to Decide whether it’s the new earth or not
 

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It will begin in the millennial rule of Christ after the tribulation

I will leave it to you to Decide whether it’s the new earth or not
Please say this earth or the new earth, what you believe? You can not leave it for me to fill in what you believe.
 

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It will begin in the millennial rule of Christ after the tribulation

I will leave it to you to Decide whether it’s the new earth or not
And, are you saying Christ is on earth with the "nation Israel" while we his bride, the renewed Israel Body of Christ is in heaven without him, for a whole "millenium", after the marriage of the Lamb? Divorcing the renewed Israel Body of Christ "in heaven (as per yourself, not on the new heaven and earth) for the "nation of Israel" on earth for a whole "millenium" after the marriage of the Lamb, that happened at his return after the great tribulation, for the rapture of the renewed Israel Body of Christ? Christ is either the bridegroom of renewed Israel Body of Christ, or the so-called "millenium kingdom" "nation of Israel", make your pick, but it can't be both?
 
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And, are you saying Christ is on earth with the "nation Israel" while we his bride, the renewed Israel Body of Christ is in heaven without him, for a whole "millenium", after the marriage of the Lamb? Divorcing the renewed Israel Body of Christ "in heaven (as per yourself, not on the new heaven and earth) for the "nation of Israel" on earth for a whole "millenium" after the marriage of the Lamb, that happened at his return after the great tribulation, for the rapture of the renewed Israel Body of Christ? Christ is either the bridegroom of renewed Israel Body of Christ, or the so-called "millenium kingdom" "nation of Israel", make your pick, but it can't be both?
You don’t think Jesus, being God, can be at both places at once? 😀
 

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To me, it doesn’t matter.
To test whether your preaching is line with scriptures, it does, so Christ reigning in a so-called "millenial reign" with the so-called "nation of Israel" on existing earth, or new earth? All presumably happening while the renewed Israel Body of Christ is not present, away from her bridegroom somewhere in a kind of heaven without her bridegroom, the new heaven or the old heaven, in accordance with your teachings, leaving her once again for a whole so-called "millenium" before his so-called third (fourth, fifth, sixth,...) coming for her at the very end, to be reunited eternally?
 
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To test whether your preaching is line with scriptures, it does, so Christ reigning in a so-called "millenial reign" with the so-called "nation of Israel" on existing earth, or new earth? All presumably happening while the renewed Israel Body of Christ is not present, away from her bridegroom somewhere in a kind of heaven without her bridegroom, the new heaven or the old heaven, in accordance with your teachings, leaving her once again for a whole so-called "millenium" before his so-called third (fourth, fifth, sixth,...) coming for her at the very end, to be reunited eternally?
According to revelations, the new earth will only happen after the 1000 year reign so, obviously it will not start there.
 

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There's know redeemed covenant "nation of Israel" apart from the renewed Israel Body of Christ.

Any Jew (or Gentile) that is not in the renewed Israel Body of Christ, at the second coming of Christ (which is the one that will be if we see Him again, as his first coming was as the child of Mary), will be destined for eternal death, nor will they be living on an existing nor future new earth, nor in this existing heaven or the future new heaven. The ones reject Jesus Christ / Yeshua ha'Mashiach as atonement offering for salvation of sins predestined since the beginning of time, their destination is the eternal pit of damnation, as there names were not found in the book of Life, that is of the Lamb that was slain, the renewed Israel Body of Christ.
 

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