Why do Christians believe in a place of torment called Hell?
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So you believe the rich man had eternal life?
Revelation 20 doesn't end at verse 10. Keep reading. Furthermore, Rev. 20:10 only describes three persons: the devil, beast, and false prophet. It's useless to apply to anyone else.
I just showed you the proof but you rejected. No need to keep going in circles. If you want to believe in eternal torment then go for it, atleast you've been shown the truth. I've gone the extra mile with you, now it's time for you to fly solo.
Revelation 20 doesn't end at verse 10. Keep reading. Furthermore, Rev. 20:10 only describes three persons: the devil, beast, and false prophet. It's useless to apply to anyone else.
I just showed you the proof but you rejected. No need to keep going in circles. If you want to believe in eternal torment then go for it, atleast you've been shown the truth. I've gone the extra mile with you, now it's time for you to fly solo.
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If you want to judge them by the law, then let's judge the beggar too.
It doesn't say anything about the beggar being too old, frail, crippled, lame, or maimed. All we see is that there is a beggar who refuses to do any work to earn his living.
Proverbs 13:4
4The soul of the sluggard desireth, and hath nothing: but the soul of the diligent shall be made fat.
Proverbs 18:9
9Whoever is slothful in his work
is brother to him who destroys.
Proverbs 19:15
15Slothfulness casteth into a deep sleep; and an idle soul shall suffer hunger.
2 Thessalonians 3:10
10For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
According to the verses above, it seems apparent that slothfulness will keep your belly empty. So why is it a problem for a beggar who isn't working to stay hungry?
Now it doesn't say much about Lazarus except that he has sores and is begging. So just based off the text alone, it sound like he is habitually sinning the sin if slothfulness with as much frequency as the Rich Man sinned. Why did one sinner get paradise and the other sinner get punishment?
Furthermore, how is the rich man carrying on a clear and coherent conversation while being burned alive? Ever touch a flame before? There's no time to chit chat until the pain goes away. Imagine the entire body on fire. The rich man would have been screaming uncontrollably.
I don't see any other conclusion than that the parable of the rich man and Lazarus is not literal.
It doesn't say anything about the beggar being too old, frail, crippled, lame, or maimed. All we see is that there is a beggar who refuses to do any work to earn his living.
Proverbs 13:4
4The soul of the sluggard desireth, and hath nothing: but the soul of the diligent shall be made fat.
Proverbs 18:9
9Whoever is slothful in his work
is brother to him who destroys.
Proverbs 19:15
15Slothfulness casteth into a deep sleep; and an idle soul shall suffer hunger.
2 Thessalonians 3:10
10For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
According to the verses above, it seems apparent that slothfulness will keep your belly empty. So why is it a problem for a beggar who isn't working to stay hungry?
Now it doesn't say much about Lazarus except that he has sores and is begging. So just based off the text alone, it sound like he is habitually sinning the sin if slothfulness with as much frequency as the Rich Man sinned. Why did one sinner get paradise and the other sinner get punishment?
Furthermore, how is the rich man carrying on a clear and coherent conversation while being burned alive? Ever touch a flame before? There's no time to chit chat until the pain goes away. Imagine the entire body on fire. The rich man would have been screaming uncontrollably.
I don't see any other conclusion than that the parable of the rich man and Lazarus is not literal.
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You can judge the bagger if you want, the context Jesus provided was not to the bagger, was it?
You do not justify a wrong by pointing out another wrong.
Jesus was addressing the Pharisees.
The text provides why.
I'm sure Jesus fully was capable of pointing out the bagger's sin, but it was the sin of self-righteousness the Pharisees displayed that The Lord Jesus was speaking about
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He died and is still alive in the fire. Make up any term you like.
Well I have quoted the Scriptures several times and you have totally ignored them. I guess I can do it again for you.
They're all going to the same place.
Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever
I just hope your loved ones don't burn in Hell "forever and ever" because of you telling them there is no eternal Hell!
Well I have quoted the Scriptures several times and you have totally ignored them. I guess I can do it again for you.
They're all going to the same place.
Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever
I just hope your loved ones don't burn in Hell "forever and ever" because of you telling them there is no eternal Hell!
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I think there is no need to mention one's loves ones is all I am saying Your point can and was made without doing that.
Your point can and was made without doing that.
well, the bible does say to consider others over yourself. are we trying to win the debate of the person? Pulling punches doesn't mean we are to get personal, and in fact, would it not be hypocritical if one did that to you are you took issue with it?
FYI you made your point very well and did not pull a punch before you spoke of a person's love ones. You did not need to do that is all I am saying.
FYI you made your point very well and did not pull a punch before you spoke of a person's love ones. You did not need to do that is all I am saying.
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True. God said we must test the spirit's.
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
Man's history in the Bibles publishing is enormous. And lest we forget scriptures deemed not to qualify for admission. Because they did not comport with the narrative being compiled by authority of men.
But God is still there. Discernment. Testing the spirits entails knowing when God's whispers his truth and the fray.
And as God is and all is both of and from God, even those without the book are able to find proof of that eternal holy spirit. And everywhere we look so that we are without excuse.
Guess what? People won't go to Hell because someone told them there is no Hell.
Furthermore, I think if you genuinely respected Exegesis you wouldn't resort to a personal attack on someone's parents. They have nothing to do with this topic.
Nor does your claim about the rich man. No one is yet "in Hell."
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
Man's history in the Bibles publishing is enormous. And lest we forget scriptures deemed not to qualify for admission. Because they did not comport with the narrative being compiled by authority of men.
But God is still there. Discernment. Testing the spirits entails knowing when God's whispers his truth and the fray.
And as God is and all is both of and from God, even those without the book are able to find proof of that eternal holy spirit. And everywhere we look so that we are without excuse.
Guess what? People won't go to Hell because someone told them there is no Hell.
Furthermore, I think if you genuinely respected Exegesis you wouldn't resort to a personal attack on someone's parents. They have nothing to do with this topic.
Nor does your claim about the rich man. No one is yet "in Hell."
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