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Are you house-bound? Can you go in and come out of 'your abode' as you please? You, who are made in His likeness, certainly can and do, but you think that the Father must sit on a throne in a house and never move?
He moves in us. We are in the truest sense-- mobile homes that belong to Him.
Ever read Ezekiel 10?
His presence is likened to a divine light, a cloud, a presence that does indeed come and go. When speaking about the temple of God, Jesus said it would be torn down and reconstructed in three days time..... but he was speaking about the temple of his body.
He moves in us. We are in the truest sense-- mobile homes that belong to Him.
Ever read Ezekiel 10?
His presence is likened to a divine light, a cloud, a presence that does indeed come and go. When speaking about the temple of God, Jesus said it would be torn down and reconstructed in three days time..... but he was speaking about the temple of his body.
@MrE ... on the one hand you say:
you think that the Father must sit on a throne in a house and never move?
and on the other you say:
He moves in us.
Do you believe God moves from you to me to Pilgrimshope to Mouse_Cheeks to Webers.Home to tourist to _____ to _____ [fill in the blanks] ... that God is incapable of creating within each born again believer a new heart within which He makes His dwelling place?
There is no church building which contains God. When there are no believers in a church building, the building is just an empty building. But fill that building with born again believers (or even just one born again believer), and God is in the building because His dwelling place is in each born again believer in the building.
1 Corinthians 6:19-20 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
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you think that the Father must sit on a throne in a house and never move?
and on the other you say:
He moves in us.
Do you believe God moves from you to me to Pilgrimshope to Mouse_Cheeks to Webers.Home to tourist to _____ to _____ [fill in the blanks] ... that God is incapable of creating within each born again believer a new heart within which He makes His dwelling place?
There is no church building which contains God. When there are no believers in a church building, the building is just an empty building. But fill that building with born again believers (or even just one born again believer), and God is in the building because His dwelling place is in each born again believer in the building.
1 Corinthians 6:19-20 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
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My hands are together. On one hand I say He moves (in and through us) and at the same time I say He is not confined to some particular building, tent, temple, box, or individual person. His spirit moves and when it is set upon a person, it changes them. They are inspired, empowered, indwelled and His word is found within them. And it the spirit blows like a wind, like a breath-- taken in and given out.
There's a reason it's call inspiration and inhalation... nepesh.
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Followed by--
My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
There's a reason it's call inspiration and inhalation... nepesh.
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Followed by--
My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
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Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you,
whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 1 Corinthians 6:19
In the OT, the building of the Temple held the Spirit's presence and dwelling.
In the Church age, it is now our bodies.
You said... His temple has never been made by human hands?
That is referring to the omnipresence of God.
God is in the body of believers to give us a special grace power to enable us to live as if we are not fallen, yet while being fallen.
That is, if we so choose to walk with God.
We can not continue to walk as dumb minds if we are ever to please God.
Just grabbing Scripture out of context to counter truth, is not wise.
“And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
and man became a living soul.”
Genesis 2:7
“And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.”
Genesis 6:3 KJV
“That which is born of the flesh is flesh;
and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”
John 3:6
“It is the spirit that quickeneth;
the flesh profiteth nothing:
the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63
“For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption;
but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.”
Galatians 6:8 KJV
“For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.”
Galatians 5:17-18
“For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh;
but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.”
Romans 8:5-6
“Then shall the dust return to the dust as it was:
and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.”
Ecclesiastes 12:7 KJV
“So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. ( see Jesus transfiguration and glorified form )
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”
1 Corinthians 15:42, 44, 49-52
and man became a living soul.”
Genesis 2:7
“And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.”
Genesis 6:3 KJV
“That which is born of the flesh is flesh;
and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”
John 3:6
“It is the spirit that quickeneth;
the flesh profiteth nothing:
the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63
“For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption;
but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.”
Galatians 6:8 KJV
“For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.”
Galatians 5:17-18
“For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh;
but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.”
Romans 8:5-6
“Then shall the dust return to the dust as it was:
and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.”
Ecclesiastes 12:7 KJV
“So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. ( see Jesus transfiguration and glorified form )
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”
1 Corinthians 15:42, 44, 49-52
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● Gen 1:26 . . And God said: Let us make man in our image, after our
likeness
To my knowledge, mankind is the only form of life created in the image and
likeness of God, ergo: mankind is nature's supreme being. (so to speak)
● Gen 1:26 . . and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over
the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over
every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
● Gen 1:28 . . And God blessed them, and God said unto them: Subdue the
earth: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the
air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
As it is: all other forms of life were meant to be expendable, whereas human
life was meant to be revered.
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● Gen 1:26 . . And God said: Let us make man in our image, after our
likeness
To my knowledge, mankind is the only form of life created in the image and
likeness of God, ergo: mankind is nature's supreme being. (so to speak)
● Gen 1:26 . . and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over
the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over
every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
● Gen 1:28 . . And God blessed them, and God said unto them: Subdue the
earth: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the
air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
As it is: all other forms of life were meant to be expendable, whereas human
life was meant to be revered.
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In Post 79 you said: "It was the same then as it is now-- and His glory can and does depart."
You said that after several believers explained to you that the indwelling of the Spirit we have in our day and time is not the same as what was available to believers under the old covenant.
When a person is born again in our day and time, he or she has Holy Spirit within. The newly born again one now has a completely new manner of life (the new man - Eph 4:10; Col 3:20). He or she starts out as a babe in Christ and there is a spiritual maturation process wherein the babe in Christ feeds on the milk of the Word, develops and grows strong in faith to the point where he or she is no longer tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine by the sleight of hand of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive (Eph 4:14) ... where he or she feeds on strong meat of the Word and by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil (Heb 5:14).
In agreement we are changed the moment we are born again.
In agreement we are inspired, empowered, indwelled and His word is found within the born again believer.
When you state "the spirit blows like a wind, like a breath--taken in and given out" ... are you saying that the new creation God creates within the born again one is removed from him or her?
yes ... living soul nep̄eš ... the soul is what enlivens the body. The animals, creatures, fowl created by God in Gen 1 have nep̄eš (soul life).
But with man, God breathed into his nostrils Gen 2:7). God did not breathe into the nostrils of the animals He created in Gen 1.
God gave something to Adam and Eve that He did not give to the animals.
God created Adam/Eve in His image ... what is His image? God is spirit
It was this Spirit within Adam and Eve which enlivened the nep̄eš (soul life within Adam/Eve).
When Adam and Eve ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, their bodies still lived because they still had soul life ... that which enlivens the body.
but that which enlivened the soul of Adam and Eve was no longer within. God had told Adam in the day ye eat thereof, thou shalt surely die.
The words "surely die" are translated from the Hebrew word mûṯ ... and the word is repeated:
"surely" (mûṯ)
"die" (mûṯ)
The verse should be read "in the day you eat, dying you shall die" ... not may die ... or possibly die ... but you shall die.
Dying in spirit resulted in the eventual death of the soul life in Adam and Eve.
In Gen 1, Adam was created in the image and likeness of God, male and female made He them.
According to Gen 5, Adam's children were begotten after the image and likeness of Adam in his fallen state. You were begotten in the image and likeness of your parents. I was begotten in the image and likeness of my parents and my children were begotten in the image and likeness of myself and my husband.
This was God's pronouncement of judgment upon fallen man ... the flood occurred 120 years later. Only Noah and his family were brought through judgment.
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You said that after several believers explained to you that the indwelling of the Spirit we have in our day and time is not the same as what was available to believers under the old covenant.
When a person is born again in our day and time, he or she has Holy Spirit within. The newly born again one now has a completely new manner of life (the new man - Eph 4:10; Col 3:20). He or she starts out as a babe in Christ and there is a spiritual maturation process wherein the babe in Christ feeds on the milk of the Word, develops and grows strong in faith to the point where he or she is no longer tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine by the sleight of hand of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive (Eph 4:14) ... where he or she feeds on strong meat of the Word and by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil (Heb 5:14).
In agreement we are changed the moment we are born again.
In agreement we are inspired, empowered, indwelled and His word is found within the born again believer.
When you state "the spirit blows like a wind, like a breath--taken in and given out" ... are you saying that the new creation God creates within the born again one is removed from him or her?
yes ... living soul nep̄eš ... the soul is what enlivens the body. The animals, creatures, fowl created by God in Gen 1 have nep̄eš (soul life).
But with man, God breathed into his nostrils Gen 2:7). God did not breathe into the nostrils of the animals He created in Gen 1.
God gave something to Adam and Eve that He did not give to the animals.
God created Adam/Eve in His image ... what is His image? God is spirit
It was this Spirit within Adam and Eve which enlivened the nep̄eš (soul life within Adam/Eve).
When Adam and Eve ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, their bodies still lived because they still had soul life ... that which enlivens the body.
but that which enlivened the soul of Adam and Eve was no longer within. God had told Adam in the day ye eat thereof, thou shalt surely die.
The words "surely die" are translated from the Hebrew word mûṯ ... and the word is repeated:
"surely" (mûṯ)
"die" (mûṯ)
The verse should be read "in the day you eat, dying you shall die" ... not may die ... or possibly die ... but you shall die.
Dying in spirit resulted in the eventual death of the soul life in Adam and Eve.
In Gen 1, Adam was created in the image and likeness of God, male and female made He them.
According to Gen 5, Adam's children were begotten after the image and likeness of Adam in his fallen state. You were begotten in the image and likeness of your parents. I was begotten in the image and likeness of my parents and my children were begotten in the image and likeness of myself and my husband.
This was God's pronouncement of judgment upon fallen man ... the flood occurred 120 years later. Only Noah and his family were brought through judgment.
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God was not and is not lacking. Not for anything.
Let me frame it like this… if you looked into a still pool of water and saw your reflection, perhaps you’d be pleased with it. Perhaps it would give you some pleasure to see an image of yourself. Particularly if it was for the first time….
But let’s take it a step farther. You become enamored with your reflection and you begin to obsess over your appearance. Your visits to the pond to admire yourself become an addiction. Worse, you make and mold an image of yourself— a little replica that’s a representation of you — and the obsession grows.
What began as a mere (mirror) opportunity for self examination and reflection has become ego and I-doll-atry.
This is the story of the elohim, who created man.
Let me frame it like this… if you looked into a still pool of water and saw your reflection, perhaps you’d be pleased with it. Perhaps it would give you some pleasure to see an image of yourself. Particularly if it was for the first time….
But let’s take it a step farther. You become enamored with your reflection and you begin to obsess over your appearance. Your visits to the pond to admire yourself become an addiction. Worse, you make and mold an image of yourself— a little replica that’s a representation of you — and the obsession grows.
What began as a mere (mirror) opportunity for self examination and reflection has become ego and I-doll-atry.
This is the story of the elohim, who created man.
not buying into that ideology ...
1 Corinthians 13:11-12 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
in time we will have an eternity ... and even then we will never fully understand the fullness of all that God is ... and how immense is His love toward us.
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1 Corinthians 13:11-12 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
in time we will have an eternity ... and even then we will never fully understand the fullness of all that God is ... and how immense is His love toward us.
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“one God and Father of all,
who is above all,
and through all,
and in you all.”
Ephesians 4:6 KJV
“for by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers:
all things were created
by him,
and for him:
and he is before all things,
and by him all things consist.
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.”
Colossians 1:16-18 KJV
“For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
For of him,
and through him,
and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.”
Romans 11:34, 36 KJV
who is above all,
and through all,
and in you all.”
Ephesians 4:6 KJV
“for by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers:
all things were created
by him,
and for him:
and he is before all things,
and by him all things consist.
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.”
Colossians 1:16-18 KJV
“For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
For of him,
and through him,
and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.”
Romans 11:34, 36 KJV
God created humans because He wanted to have fellowship with them.
But there is more to it than that compared to the angels.
The angels were created with free will for if not they could not rebel.
Also free will to chose is true love and if not then it is robotic love.
I do not believe God wants that kind of love.
You can program your computer to say I love you but does it really love you and you can program it to say I hate and will you get mad and smash it.
God calls things that have not happened yet as though they already happened for if it is a plan of God to happen in the future it is the same as if it happened in the beginning for it will surely come to pass with no hindrance.
Which the Lamb was slain, and the prophets blood was shed from the foundation of the world.
The saints predestined to salvation means God already had the plan to give mankind salvation before He started creation but this salvation is to whoever wants it.
Which God commands all people to repent, and wants all people to be saved, and is not willing that any perish but all come to the knowledge of the truth.
The Spirit and bride say Come, and anybody that wants that salvation can have it.
The angels were created with free will for if not they could not rebel.
Lucifer was created perfect until iniquity was found in him.
Adam and Eve had free will for if not they could not sin.
Adam and Eve were created knowing God and did not have the capacity to sin for all they could know and think was what God told them as reality.
God put the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the garden because He gave them a choice.
But it would of never entered their mind to eat of the tree unless an outside source tempted them with an alternate reality.
So God allowed Satan to tempt Eve which she said they could not eat of the tree for that is all she could know and think.
Then he tempted her with an alternate reality that if they ate of the tree they would be as gods and have an elevated position and she ate of the tree and sinned.
Then Eve was the outside source that tempted Adam by showing him she did not die and no harm came to her and probably told him of the alternate reality and he ate of the tree and sinned.
Now they would have a choice between good and evil making their own decisions.
So all their offspring are born with a choice so they are born not knowing God so they will do wrong before they do right and follow God.
So all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
We are born innocent and without guilt and from the time we are born until the age of accountability we are innocent and without guilt.
There is no sin or guilt attached to us until we actually commit a sin understanding it is wrong.
That is why the Bible says that the angels always behold the face of the Father for the little ones.
I do not believe God would of created mankind if Lucifer did not rebel for then it would not be free will, they would never have a choice to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and it would not be true love.
God could not tempt them to eat of the tree because He is good, and tempts no person, which is why He allowed Satan to tempt Eve.
Lucifer was already fallen when God started creation, and created Adam and Eve, which Jesus is the beginning of creation for God had the plan for Jesus to be the Savior before He started creation.
Which the Bible says that in the beginning was the Word, and the Word became flesh, who is Jesus, and without that plan God would of never created anything He created.
God created mankind for our relationship would be different than the angels.
The angels cannot be redeemed for they are one component so when they sinned they was no place to put off the sin so they tainted their entire being with no reversal.
But a human is in the flesh and all sins reside in the flesh so a saint will put off the body, sin, and the soul is preserved with a glorified body.
All spirits go back to God who gave them regardless of how the person acted on earth so no person retains their spirit in the afterlife.
The saints will have a glorified body like Jesus' glorified body a privilege the angels will never have and have a higher position in heaven than that of the angels.
Which is why the Bible says the angels desire to look in to the salvation of the saints.
God created mankind for fellowship and to have a different relationship with them by people having a glorified body like Jesus' which can only happen if people are in flesh first.
God came in flesh to be with people, put off the flesh and obtained a glorified body which the saints will obtain a glorified body.
God did not want to create a being that has no reversal to be saved if they sin like the angels.
So our relationship is unique with God compared to the angels.
Creation is all for mankind and the angels assist in God's plan which they are ministering spirits to the people who shall inherit salvation.
But there is more to it than that compared to the angels.
The angels were created with free will for if not they could not rebel.
Also free will to chose is true love and if not then it is robotic love.
I do not believe God wants that kind of love.
You can program your computer to say I love you but does it really love you and you can program it to say I hate and will you get mad and smash it.
God calls things that have not happened yet as though they already happened for if it is a plan of God to happen in the future it is the same as if it happened in the beginning for it will surely come to pass with no hindrance.
Which the Lamb was slain, and the prophets blood was shed from the foundation of the world.
The saints predestined to salvation means God already had the plan to give mankind salvation before He started creation but this salvation is to whoever wants it.
Which God commands all people to repent, and wants all people to be saved, and is not willing that any perish but all come to the knowledge of the truth.
The Spirit and bride say Come, and anybody that wants that salvation can have it.
The angels were created with free will for if not they could not rebel.
Lucifer was created perfect until iniquity was found in him.
Adam and Eve had free will for if not they could not sin.
Adam and Eve were created knowing God and did not have the capacity to sin for all they could know and think was what God told them as reality.
God put the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the garden because He gave them a choice.
But it would of never entered their mind to eat of the tree unless an outside source tempted them with an alternate reality.
So God allowed Satan to tempt Eve which she said they could not eat of the tree for that is all she could know and think.
Then he tempted her with an alternate reality that if they ate of the tree they would be as gods and have an elevated position and she ate of the tree and sinned.
Then Eve was the outside source that tempted Adam by showing him she did not die and no harm came to her and probably told him of the alternate reality and he ate of the tree and sinned.
Now they would have a choice between good and evil making their own decisions.
So all their offspring are born with a choice so they are born not knowing God so they will do wrong before they do right and follow God.
So all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
We are born innocent and without guilt and from the time we are born until the age of accountability we are innocent and without guilt.
There is no sin or guilt attached to us until we actually commit a sin understanding it is wrong.
That is why the Bible says that the angels always behold the face of the Father for the little ones.
I do not believe God would of created mankind if Lucifer did not rebel for then it would not be free will, they would never have a choice to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and it would not be true love.
God could not tempt them to eat of the tree because He is good, and tempts no person, which is why He allowed Satan to tempt Eve.
Lucifer was already fallen when God started creation, and created Adam and Eve, which Jesus is the beginning of creation for God had the plan for Jesus to be the Savior before He started creation.
Which the Bible says that in the beginning was the Word, and the Word became flesh, who is Jesus, and without that plan God would of never created anything He created.
God created mankind for our relationship would be different than the angels.
The angels cannot be redeemed for they are one component so when they sinned they was no place to put off the sin so they tainted their entire being with no reversal.
But a human is in the flesh and all sins reside in the flesh so a saint will put off the body, sin, and the soul is preserved with a glorified body.
All spirits go back to God who gave them regardless of how the person acted on earth so no person retains their spirit in the afterlife.
The saints will have a glorified body like Jesus' glorified body a privilege the angels will never have and have a higher position in heaven than that of the angels.
Which is why the Bible says the angels desire to look in to the salvation of the saints.
God created mankind for fellowship and to have a different relationship with them by people having a glorified body like Jesus' which can only happen if people are in flesh first.
God came in flesh to be with people, put off the flesh and obtained a glorified body which the saints will obtain a glorified body.
God did not want to create a being that has no reversal to be saved if they sin like the angels.
So our relationship is unique with God compared to the angels.
Creation is all for mankind and the angels assist in God's plan which they are ministering spirits to the people who shall inherit salvation.