Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future
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Rev13:5-7[1] connects with Dan7:20-25[27] where both passages speak about: "made war with the saints, AND PREVAILED AGAINST THEM"
[note Matt16:18, in this light]
[again, these are "saints" (in Rev13:5-7 and Dan7:20-25 ^^ ) having come to faith IN / DURING / WITHIN those "[7] Trib yrs" (FOLLOWING "our Rapture" event--The "Rapture" of "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" [ALL those saved 'in this present age [singular]'] of whom the "Rapture [IN THE AIR]" SOLELY pertains... It does not pertain to all other "saints" of all OTHER time periods); This is a matter of "WHEN" ppl (have or will have) come to faith (as opposed to any sort of superiority issues), that is, relating to the "CHRONOLOGY" issues spelled out in Scripture itself--You and I are not "OT saints," for example... because we did not live back then, nor come to faith during that time-frame
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[note Matt16:18, in this light]
[again, these are "saints" (in Rev13:5-7 and Dan7:20-25 ^^ ) having come to faith IN / DURING / WITHIN those "[7] Trib yrs" (FOLLOWING "our Rapture" event--The "Rapture" of "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" [ALL those saved 'in this present age [singular]'] of whom the "Rapture [IN THE AIR]" SOLELY pertains... It does not pertain to all other "saints" of all OTHER time periods); This is a matter of "WHEN" ppl (have or will have) come to faith (as opposed to any sort of superiority issues), that is, relating to the "CHRONOLOGY" issues spelled out in Scripture itself--You and I are not "OT saints," for example... because we did not live back then, nor come to faith during that time-frame
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This chapter exposes two evil men, ''beasts'' who serve the Devil. The first beast arises from the sea, presumably the Mediterranean. The second beast arises from the land, possibly Israel. The first beast dominates the final form of the Roman Empire and sets himself up as a god to be worshiped. This first figure is the one most often labelled as ''Antichrist.'' The second beast acts as prophet, priest, and king in Israel. As such, he imitates Christ, but he is a False Prophet. This corrupted religious leader sets up an image of the first beast in the temple and commands everyone to worship it. The false prophet executes those who refuse to worship the image. Further, he causes everyone to receive the name or the number of the first beast on the right hand or on the forehead. Without this identifying mark, no one can buy or sell. The number of the beast is 666.
The chances either Beast will be in America is 0 to none!
We will be hidden here!
Statistician's comment
“The risk of death involving COVID-19 varies across religious groups, with those identifying as Muslims, Jewish, Hindu and Sikh showing a higher rate of death than other groups. For the most part the elevated risk of certain religious groups is explained by geographical, socio economic and demographic factors and increased risks associated with ethnicity. However, after adjusting for the above, Jewish males are at twice the risk of Christian males, and Jewish women are also at higher risk.
Read the BOLD carefully!
All other religions suffered HIGHER Covid Deaths than Christians!
“The risk of death involving COVID-19 varies across religious groups, with those identifying as Muslims, Jewish, Hindu and Sikh showing a higher rate of death than other groups. For the most part the elevated risk of certain religious groups is explained by geographical, socio economic and demographic factors and increased risks associated with ethnicity. However, after adjusting for the above, Jewish males are at twice the risk of Christian males, and Jewish women are also at higher risk.
Read the BOLD carefully!
All other religions suffered HIGHER Covid Deaths than Christians!
God did not take His church in 70 AD because for one, it was not according to timing. There is a specific time when God is going to call up His church and it wasn't in 70 AD. And two, the gospel needed to continue to be preached and the church needed to continue to be built until this present time. And three, the events that took place in 70 AD are nothing in comparison to the plagues of wrath that are coming. Regarding the coming tribulation with all of its plagues of wrath Jesus said, that they would be unequaled from the beginning, until now and never to be equaled again. The meaning is that the coming wrath would be unprecedented. These types of plagues directly from God did take place in 70 AD.
You say that church will be on the earth during the tribulation and that none of these plagues will affect them if they hide. What would the church do when the oceans, rivers and all fresh water is turned into literal blood? Hiding would not help them. Neither would they be able to escape all the rest of the plagues that I previously mentioned.
Jesus said, "I will build My church and the gates of hades shall not prevail against it." Once the building of the church is completed, the Lord is going to fulfill His promise and come back for us prior to the on-set of His wrath and take us to the Father's house to those places that He went to prepare for us. Those believers who died in the first century will be in the resurrected group, while those who are still alive will be changed immortal and glorified and caught up with them to meet the Lord in the air. It is at this time that He will take the entire church back to the Father's house.
You say that church will be on the earth during the tribulation and that none of these plagues will affect them if they hide. What would the church do when the oceans, rivers and all fresh water is turned into literal blood? Hiding would not help them. Neither would they be able to escape all the rest of the plagues that I previously mentioned.
Jesus said, "I will build My church and the gates of hades shall not prevail against it." Once the building of the church is completed, the Lord is going to fulfill His promise and come back for us prior to the on-set of His wrath and take us to the Father's house to those places that He went to prepare for us. Those believers who died in the first century will be in the resurrected group, while those who are still alive will be changed immortal and glorified and caught up with them to meet the Lord in the air. It is at this time that He will take the entire church back to the Father's house.
@AandW (re: your Post #826), This, however, is what God is saying regarding that "specific, future, LIMITED time-period" aka the Trib yrs (FOLLOWING "our Rapture" event) which WILL take place (the bold, below):
[quoting previous post]
Rev13:5-7[1] connects with Dan7:20-25[27] where both passages speak about: "made war with the saints, AND PREVAILED AGAINST THEM"
[note Matt16:18, in this light]
[end quoting old post]
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No, those texts (both) don't seem to be saying that every saint all over the world EXCEPT THOSE who have hidden themselves in the USA will experience this ^ (tho I know some ppl think "the woman" in Rev12 [who is NOT US] will "flee" by means of this [i.e. "given two wings of an eagle"]--but again, she ain't us )
[quoting previous post]
Rev13:5-7[1] connects with Dan7:20-25[27] where both passages speak about: "made war with the saints, AND PREVAILED AGAINST THEM"
[note Matt16:18, in this light]
[end quoting old post]
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No, those texts (both) don't seem to be saying that every saint all over the world EXCEPT THOSE who have hidden themselves in the USA will experience this ^ (tho I know some ppl think "the woman" in Rev12 [who is NOT US] will "flee" by means of this [i.e. "given two wings of an eagle"]--but again, she ain't us
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Covid-19 which for the vast majority, is just a mild flu if that and you are comparing it to God's plagues of wrath such as demonic beings coming up out of the Abyss to torment the inhabitants with stings like that of a scorpion?
You seriously need to take a look at the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, for they are nothing like what you are comparing to.
You seriously need to take a look at the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, for they are nothing like what you are comparing to.
Ever since Adam and Eve disobeyed God, we have had disease, pain and death on the earth. But those plagues that are coming are nothing like Covid, but will be God's direct wrath. Until you understand taht the these plagues are going to affect the entire world with no place to hide, then you will not understand why the Lord is not going to leave His church here.
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With just the 4th seal and 6th trumpet (a fourth and a third) the fatalities will be over half the earth's population within the first 3 1/2 years of that seven year period. And that is not including the fatalities that will result from trumpets 1, 2 and 3 nor the fatalities from the bowl judgments. By the time the Lord returns to the earth, there will most likely be less than 10% of the earth's population left. This is supported by what Zephaniah has to say about the Day of the Lord:
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“I will completely sweep away everything from the face of the earth,” declares the LORD.
“I will sweep away man and beast;
I will sweep away the birds of the air, and the fish of the sea,
and the idols with their wicked worshipers.
I will cut off mankind from the face of the earth,”
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The above will be fulfilled by the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments
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“I will completely sweep away everything from the face of the earth,” declares the LORD.
“I will sweep away man and beast;
I will sweep away the birds of the air, and the fish of the sea,
and the idols with their wicked worshipers.
I will cut off mankind from the face of the earth,”
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The above will be fulfilled by the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments