Who Justifieth the Ungodly

[reneweddaybyday]

You deny the saving effects, the healing accomplishments of the death of Christ

... that I deny your erroneous dogma does not mean I "deny the saving effects, the healing accomplishments of the death of Christ.

See Christs death converts

wrong ... the crucifixion of the Lord Jesus Christ does not "convert" anyone.

Here's a good verse for you to learn:

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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[reneweddaybyday]

nope ... you have not provided any Scripture wherein God stated "whom He hated He always hated, before they had being of existence"

I already gave you scripture which that truth is based upon Rom 9

and I showed you ... through rightly dividing the word of truth (2 Tim 2:15) ... that you were incorrect in your interpretation of scripture. Romans 9 does not state what you claim:

Romans 9:10-12 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth) It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

While the children were still in utero ... which means they had existence ... God told Rebecca "the elder shall serve the younger".

And when we look at the record where God spoke to Rebecca, we find that Romans 9:12 quotes Genesis 25:23:

Genesis 25:23 And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.


2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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[brightfame52]

... that I deny your erroneous dogma does not mean I "deny the saving effects, the healing accomplishments of the death of Christ.





wrong ... the crucifixion of the Lord Jesus Christ does not "convert" anyone.

Here's a good verse for you to learn:

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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Yes you deny the saving, converting death of Christ, thats unbelief.

 

[brightfame52]

and I showed you ... through rightly dividing the word of truth (2 Tim 2:15) ... that you were incorrect in your interpretation of scripture. Romans 9 does not state what you claim:

Romans 9:10-12 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth) It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

While the children were still in utero ... which means they had existence ... God told Rebecca "the elder shall serve the younger".

And when we look at the record where God spoke to Rebecca, we find that Romans 9:12 quotes Genesis 25:23:

Genesis 25:23 And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.


2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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Again, them who God loves, He loved them from everlasting, prior to them having a being, even prior to the earth being made, and them He hates, He hated them before they had a being of existence, all according to His Sovereign Will

 

[brightfame52]

renewed

wrong ... the crucifixion of the Lord Jesus Christ does not "convert" anyone.

See that ? This poster flat out denies the Gospel, the converting death of Christ 1 Pet 2:24-25

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

The word returned here denotes conversion, its the greek word epistrephō :

1. to cause to return, to bring back
   1. to the love and obedience of God
   2. to the love for the children
   3. to love wisdom and righteousness

Its translated converted 5 times and 3 times in reference to being healed

Matt 13:15

For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, G1994 and I should heal them

Jn 12:40

He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, G1994 and I should heal them.

Acts 28:27

For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, G1994 and I should heal them.

And the word for heal is the same word Peter uses in 1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

This proves that Christs death converts them He died for to God. Now this poster openly denies this sacred truth, thats cold blooded unbelief !

 

[RaceRunner]

renewed



See that ? This poster flat out denies the Gospel, the converting death of Christ 1 Pet 2:24-25

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

The word returned here denotes conversion, its the greek word epistrephō :

1. to cause to return, to bring back
   1. to the love and obedience of God
   2. to the love for the children
   3. to love wisdom and righteousness

Its translated converted 5 times and 3 times in reference to being healed

Matt 13:15

For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, G1994 and I should heal them

Jn 12:40

He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, G1994 and I should heal them.

Acts 28:27

For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, G1994 and I should heal them.

And the word for heal is the same word Peter uses in 1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

This proves that Christs death converts them He died for to God. Now this poster openly denies this sacred truth, thats cold blooded unbelief !

 

[reneweddaybyday]

them He hates, He hated them before they had a being of existence, all according to His Sovereign Will

you have provided absolutely no Scriptural support for your claim that God "hated them before they had a being of existence, all according to His Sovereign Will".


Jeremiah 23:

26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;

27 Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.

28 The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD. Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?

29 Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.

30 Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith.

31 Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies ...
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[reneweddaybyday]

See Christs death converts

wrong ... the crucifixion of the Lord Jesus Christ does not "convert" anyone.

This poster flat out denies the Gospel

"This poster" does not "flat out [deny] the Gospel".

"This poster" denies your erroneous dogma concerning the gospel of Christ (of which the crucifixion is only a part).

1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

This proves that Christs death converts

The crucifixion is only part of the gospel, brightfame52:

1 Corinthians 15:

1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures

vs 3 - Christ died for our sins = the crucifixion

vs 4 - and He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures = the resurrection


Romans 10:

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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[brightfame52]

you have provided absolutely no Scriptural support for your claim that God "hated them before they had a being of existence, all according to His Sovereign Will".


Jeremiah 23:

26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;

27 Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.

28 The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD. Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?

29 Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.

30 Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith.

31 Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies ...
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I have provided scripture for that Truth Rom 9, you reject the Truth which is expected.

 

[brightfame52]

"This poster" does not "flat out [deny] the Gospel".

"This poster" denies your erroneous dogma concerning the gospel of Christ (of which the crucifixion is only a part).





The crucifixion is only part of the gospel, brightfame52:

1 Corinthians 15:

1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures

vs 3 - Christ died for our sins = the crucifixion

vs 4 - and He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures = the resurrection


Romans 10:

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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You continually deny the Gospel, the Saving Converting Death of Christ which is unbelief. 1 Pet 2 :24-25

 

[reneweddaybyday]

I have provided scripture for that Truth Rom 9

The only verse in Romans 9 you have provided is Romans 9:11:

brightfame52 – Post 3565:

God Loved Jacob and hated esau before they had any being or existence to do good or evil acts Rom 9:11​

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11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)​

and I have shown you that your interpretation of Romans 9:11 is in error:

reneweddaybyday – Post 3568:

... ripping a verse from the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed it is not proper interpretation.​

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Romans 9 does not state that "God loved Jacob and hated Esau before they had any being".​

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Romans 9:10-13 10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; ) It was said unto her [Rebecca], The elder shall serve the younger.​

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What God told Rebecca while Jacob and Esau were still in utero (which means they had "being" and "existence") is written in Genesis 25:​

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Genesis 25:22-23 And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to enquire of the LORD. And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.​

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God did not state that He hated Esau "before they had any being or existence". That statement was written in Malachi 1 ... long after Esau was dead and buried:​

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Malachi 1:2-3 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.​

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I have asked you many times to provide Scripture which supports your claim ... and you have provided nothing ... so again your erroneous dogma has failed to withstand the scrutiny of Scripture.

You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.
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[reneweddaybyday]

You continually deny the Gospel

nope ... the one who "continually [denies] the Gospel" is the one who claims:

No, those He died for do not have to believe it, accept itor do anything but continue being ungodly sinners

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to be Justified before God one doesnt have to do anything but be a ungodly sinner

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God's instruction:

Ezekiel 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die ...

God wants the wicked to turn from being "ungodly sinners" ...


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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[brightfame52]

The only verse in Romans 9 you have provided is Romans 9:11:

brightfame52 – Post 3565:

God Loved Jacob and hated esau before they had any being or existence to do good or evil acts Rom 9:11​

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11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)​

and I have shown you that your interpretation of Romans 9:11 is in error:

reneweddaybyday – Post 3568:

... ripping a verse from the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed it is not proper interpretation.​

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Romans 9 does not state that "God loved Jacob and hated Esau before they had any being".​

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Romans 9:10-13 10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; ) It was said unto her [Rebecca], The elder shall serve the younger.​

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What God told Rebecca while Jacob and Esau were still in utero (which means they had "being" and "existence") is written in Genesis 25:​

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Genesis 25:22-23 And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to enquire of the LORD. And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.​

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God did not state that He hated Esau "before they had any being or existence". That statement was written in Malachi 1 ... long after Esau was dead and buried:​

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Malachi 1:2-3 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.​

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I have asked you many times to provide Scripture which supports your claim ... and you have provided nothing ... so again your erroneous dogma has failed to withstand the scrutiny of Scripture.

You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.
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I know what Rom 9 says.

 

[brightfame52]

nope ... the one who "continually [denies] the Gospel" is the one who claims:

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God's instruction:

Ezekiel 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die ...

God wants the wicked to turn from being "ungodly sinners" ...


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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You continually deny the saving, Healing, Converting Death of Christ 1 Pet 2:24-25 so that is unbelief !

 

[reneweddaybyday]

I know what Rom 9 says.

... it is obvious you do not know "what Rom 9 says" because you keep insisting there is a verse in Rom 9 wherein God states "God loved Jacob and hated Esau before they had any being" or that He "hated them before they had a being of existence, all according to His Sovereign Will" and no verse in Rom 9 states what you claim.

The verse you rely on as stating what you claim (Romans 9:11) absolutely does not state what you claim.

You have believed a lie ... you have been shown the truth of Scripture ... and you reject the truth because you suppress/restrain the truth in unrighteousness, just like Romans 1 reveals:

Romans 1:

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold [Greek katechō] the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.


In vs 18, the words "who hold" are translated from the Greek word katechō which means to hold back, to suppress, to restrain.

In vs 19, we see what it is that men restrain ... that which may be known of God ... for God showed it to them. God reveals Himself, His truth, and that truth, that revelation is suppressed and restrained. So it is mankind who restrains. It is not God Who causes mankind to suppress/restrain ... nor is it satan who causes mankind to restrain ... it is the person himself or herself ... and that is why they are without excuse.

And as far as Romans 9, it is you, brightfame52, who is restraining the truth in unrighteousness.
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[reneweddaybyday]

You continually deny

... I deny your erroneous dogma.

I believe the gospel of Christ ... the full gospel ... not your manipulation of Scripture ... your half-truth concerning the gospel of Christ:

1 Corinthians 15:

1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures

vs 3 - Christ died for our sins = the crucifixion

vs 4 - and He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures = the resurrection


Romans 10:

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.


Ephesians 1:

17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power

20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places

21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come
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[brightfame52]

... I deny your erroneous dogma.

I believe the gospel of Christ ... the full gospel ... not your manipulation of Scripture ... your half-truth concerning the gospel of Christ:

1 Corinthians 15:

1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures

vs 3 - Christ died for our sins = the crucifixion

vs 4 - and He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures = the resurrection


Romans 10:

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.


Ephesians 1:

17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power

20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places

21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come
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You deny the Saving Death of Christ and that's unbelief

 

[reneweddaybyday]

You deny

I deny your erroneous dogma

I believe the gospel of Christ ... the full gospel ... not your manipulation of Scripture ... your half-truth concerning the gospel of Christ:

1 Corinthians 15:

1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures

vs 3 - Christ died for our sins = the crucifixion

vs 4 - and He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures = the resurrection


Romans 10:

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.


Ephesians 1:

17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power

20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places

21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come
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[Magenta]

Philippians 2:9-11 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the
earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Philippians 2:9-11

 

[reneweddaybyday]

@Magenta

Philippians 2:9-11

Amen!!!


Revelation 5:11-13 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
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