Who Justifieth the Ungodly
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Jesus speaking "metaphorically about Spiritual matters !" in other passages in Scripture does not change the fact that Jesus spoke literally of the resurrection of His body 3 days after His crucifixion in John 2:19-21.Quit trying to rewrite Scripture in your futile attempt to support your dogma. Let go of your error and believe Scripture just as written.
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
16 But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,
The natural man doesnt understand these Spiritual matters since he lacks Spiritual life.
Jesus speaking "metaphorically about Spiritual matters !" in other passages in Scripture does not change the fact that Jesus spoke literally of the resurrection of His body 3 days after His crucifixion in John 2:19-21.
What Jesus said in John 2:19-21 was prophetic utterance as corroborated in John 2:22:
John 2:
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.
When Paul wrote the truths concerning the Lord Jesus Christ as Head of the church (His body) ... or that the church is comprised of the believers as members in particular over which the Lord Jesus Christ is the Head ... etc., etc., there is no verse in which it is stated "his disciples remembered that He had said this unto them" and referring back to John 2:19-21.
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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so sad you believe rightly dividing the Word of God is "wasting your time" ...
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
The context changes from the gospel to the mystery, the hidden wisdom at 1 Cor 2:6.
1 Corinthians 2:
1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
Jesus Christ, and Him crucified = gospel
1 Corinthians 2:
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect [of full age, mature]: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom [the gospel was never hid], which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The things spoken of in vss 6-14 which are spiritually discerned are enumerated in the verses:
vs 6 – the wisdom which was discussed among the mature believers ... the gospel was taught in the general congregation (vss 1-2).
vs 7 – the wisdom of God in a mystery ... this wisdom was kept secret since the world began (Rom 16:25); and in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men (Eph 3:5); and from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God (Eph 3:9); and which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest (Col 1:26). Again, the gospel was never hid ... the gospel is proclaimed throughout all of Scripture from Genesis to Revelaton.
vs 8 – if the devil and his minions had known the mystery, the hidden wisdom, they never would have crucified the Lord Jesus Christ.
vs 9 – the things which God hath prepared for them that love Him go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).
vs 10 – the deep things of God go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).
vs 11 – the things of God which no man knoweth go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).
vs 12 – the things that are freely given to us of God go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).
vs 13 – things which the Holy Ghost teacheth go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).
vs 14 – the things of the Spirit of God and specifically the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).
I know your erroneous dogma requires that you conflate the gospel with the mystery, the hidden wisdom because I know you have to have a person regenerated (born again) before he or she can believe the gospel through which a person is born again.
Under your erroneous dogma, how many times must a person be born again before he or she is really, truly, really, really, really, scout's honor, born again???
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2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
The context changes from the gospel to the mystery, the hidden wisdom at 1 Cor 2:6.
1 Corinthians 2:
1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
Jesus Christ, and Him crucified = gospel
1 Corinthians 2:
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect [of full age, mature]: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom [the gospel was never hid], which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The things spoken of in vss 6-14 which are spiritually discerned are enumerated in the verses:
vs 6 – the wisdom which was discussed among the mature believers ... the gospel was taught in the general congregation (vss 1-2).
vs 7 – the wisdom of God in a mystery ... this wisdom was kept secret since the world began (Rom 16:25); and in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men (Eph 3:5); and from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God (Eph 3:9); and which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest (Col 1:26). Again, the gospel was never hid ... the gospel is proclaimed throughout all of Scripture from Genesis to Revelaton.
vs 8 – if the devil and his minions had known the mystery, the hidden wisdom, they never would have crucified the Lord Jesus Christ.
vs 9 – the things which God hath prepared for them that love Him go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).
vs 10 – the deep things of God go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).
vs 11 – the things of God which no man knoweth go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).
vs 12 – the things that are freely given to us of God go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).
vs 13 – things which the Holy Ghost teacheth go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).
vs 14 – the things of the Spirit of God and specifically the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom go beyond the scope of Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).
I know your erroneous dogma requires that you conflate the gospel with the mystery, the hidden wisdom because I know you have to have a person regenerated (born again) before he or she can believe the gospel through which a person is born again.
Under your erroneous dogma, how many times must a person be born again before he or she is really, truly, really, really, really, scout's honor, born again???
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nope ... 1 Cor 2:14 refers to the mystery, the hidden wisdom ... this wisdom was kept secret since the world began (Rom 16:25); and in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men (Eph 3:5); and from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God (Eph 3:9); and which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest (Col 1:26). Again, the gospel was never hid ... the gospel is proclaimed throughout all of Scripture from Genesis to Revelaton.
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whether Jesus did or did not speak "metaphorically about His Resurrection" in other places in Scripture does not change the fact that in John 2:19-21 Jesus was not speaking "metaphorically" of "His Body the Church" as you claimed in your Post 3132.get over it ... you were wrong ... you have been reproved ... you refuse correction ...
Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
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whether Jesus did or did not speak "metaphorically about His Resurrection" in other places in Scripture does not change the fact that in John 2:19-21 Jesus was not speaking "metaphorically" of "His Body the Church" as you claimed in your Post 3132.get over it ... you were wrong ... you have been reproved ... you refuse correction ...
Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
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This metaphorical, Commentary on Hosea 6:2
After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
2. Primarily, in type, Israel's national revival, in a short period ("two or three" being used to denote a few days, Isa 17:6; Lu 13:32, 33); antitypically the language is so framed as to refer in its full accuracy only to Messiah, the ideal Israel (Isa 49:3; compare Mt 2:15, with Ho 11:1), raised on the third day (Joh 2:19; 1Co 15:4; compare Isa 53:10). "He shall prolong His days." Compare the similar use of Israel's political resurrection as the type of the general resurrection of which "Christ is the first-fruits" (Isa 26:19; Eze 37:1-14; Da 12:2).
Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
Oh No, The Gospel, the Preaching of the Cross is the Subject, 1 Cor 2:1-14
And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
6 Howbeit[so then] we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
6 Howbeit[so then] we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
your commentary does not support your assertion that John 2:19-21 refers "metaphorically" to "His Body the Church" as you claimed in your Post 3132.From your commentary:
the language is so framed as to refer in its full accuracy only to Messiah, the ideal Israel (Isa 49:3; compare Mt 2:15, with Ho 11:1), raised on the third day (Joh 2:19
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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nope ... the Gospel, the Preaching of the Cross is the Subject, 1 Cor 2:1-2
vs 6 - Howbeit (Greek δέ which means but, and, now) ... not "so then":
See also:
Quit conflating the gospel with the mystery, the hidden wisdom in your futile attempt to align Scripture to your dogma.
You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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vs 6 - Howbeit (Greek δέ which means but, and, now) ... not "so then":
Strong's Concordance
de: but, and, now, (a connective or adversative particle)
Original Word: δέ
Part of Speech: Conjunction
Transliteration: de
Phonetic Spelling: (deh)
Definition: but, and, now, (a connective or adversative particle)
Usage: a weak adversative particle, generally placed second in its clause; but, on the other hand, and.
See also:
De
A. It is one of the most commonly used Greek particles, used to connect one clause with another when it is felt that there is some contrast between them though the contrast is often scarcely discernible.
Quit conflating the gospel with the mystery, the hidden wisdom in your futile attempt to align Scripture to your dogma.
You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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your commentary does not support your assertion that John 2:19-21 refers "metaphorically" to "His Body the Church" as you claimed in your Post 3132.From your commentary:
the language is so framed as to refer in its full accuracy only to Messiah, the ideal Israel (Isa 49:3; compare Mt 2:15, with Ho 11:1), raised on the third day (Joh 2:19
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Again, 1 Cor 2:14 tells us that the natural man cannot receive the things of God, the Gospel, its foolishness to him, the preaching of the Cross is foolishness to him 1 Cor 1:18
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.