Who are the inspired scriptures directed to?

[ForestGreenCook]

God has said that unsaved man has the ability to discern good from evil. You go about to make God by your incorrect interpretation double minded and changeable. God said it in the garden and Jesus said it again to the disciples.

The question remains as to why you are blinded to the truth.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

We can not discuss scriptures unless you use scriptures along with your comments.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Philip opened the Scriptures and explained to Him Christ Jesus. The Eunuch believed and THEN the Spirit of God sealed him for all eternity.

Poor proud Calvinists . . . their motto is "us four and no more!"

Do you have scriptures you want to discuss, or do you just want to make comments?

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

Do you have scriptures you want to discuss, or do you just want to make comments?

Here's one . . . " . . . they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch" (Matthew 15:14).

 

[ForestGreenCook]

For repetition, I’ll put it in this way; God’s Redemption at Christ Expense is generally intended for all men. It’s efficacy, however, are to those who only believe the preaching of the Gospel. The Gospel won’t really work if one does not believe John 3:17 but it works to whosoever believes John 3:16 Romans 1:16. Some and even many of the mankind have rejected, resisted, repelled, receive not or believeth not the Gospel of Christ to their own peril. As far as the scriptures says “But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? hence, not all believe.

Hearing and believing the gospel is the effects of a regenerated person, it is not the cause of a person's eternal salvation.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Here's one . . . " . . . they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch" (Matthew 15:14).

I believe that scripture to be true. What do you want to discuss about it? Are you saying that you are stuck in a ditch?

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

Nope, I'm saying that you don't even know who or what the natural man is . . .

 

[ForestGreenCook]

For repetition, I’ll put it in this way; God’s Redemption at Christ Expense is generally intended for all men. It’s efficacy, however, are to those who only believe the preaching of the Gospel. The Gospel won’t really work if one does not believe John 3:17 but it works to whosoever believes John 3:16 Romans 1:16. Some and even many of the mankind have rejected, resisted, repelled, receive not or believeth not the Gospel of Christ to their own peril. As far as the scriptures says “But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? hence, not all believe.

I do not think you answered my question.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

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Why don't you understand what God said in 1 Cor 2:14?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Addendum 5 minute rule strikes again. The admins seem to take perverse pleasure in the pain this extremely short time limit causes.

It is the power of God means he has the ability to do whatever he wants to do. That doesn't mean he will do it.

I think it says in some scripture that God says I accomplish all of my pleasure.

 

[notuptome]

We can not discuss scriptures unless you use scriptures along with your comments.

You cannot discuss scriptures because you do not believe scriptures.

Gen 3:22 ¶ And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

God clearly says that Adam as a result of the fall knows good and evil. You claim otherwise.

Lu 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Jesus clearly says that evil men know how to do good things. You again claim otherwise.

Clearly you have proven yourself to be less than honest toward the scriptures.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Why don't you understand what God said in 1 Cor 2:14?

I do understand 1 Corinthians 2:14 and I explained the context to you Here.

I also explained to you the fact that natural man has the capability of acknowledging the eternal power and Godhead of the Creator Here and Here.

 

[fredoheaven]

You are saying that the natural man, as described in 1 Cor 2:14, has the ability to discern spiritual things, which is the direct opposite of what that verse says. Is it not? God is a spirit and we must worship him in spirit and in truth. The Eunuch was going to worship a spiritual God, therefore, evidencing that he had already been born of the Spirit. Would it be possible for a natural man to desire, long for and understand spiritual things? NO, unless you tear 1 Cor out of the bible. You are saying that after the natural man is regenerated, he can not have a restored relationship, but in fact his relationship is not restored, because he never had a relationship before he was regenerated. When you are born again, you are a new creature. If you would read Eph 2 especially verse 5, you would see that the natural man had nothing to do with his regeneration, therefore, it is by God's grace, without the help of man.. It is not of him that willeth, nor of him who runneth, but of God that showeth mercy.

Another case in a point of “natural man”: The Philippian Jailor, prison keeper came trembling and fear for his life and ask a question for a “natural man” should not asked to begin with, “What must I do to be saved?

Acts 16:23 And when they had laid many stripes upon them, they cast them into prison, charging the jailor to keep them safely:
24 Who, having received such a charge, thrust them into the inner prison, and made their feet fast in the stocks.
25 And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them.
26 And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed.
27 And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled.
28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.
29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.

ForrestGC, I am expecting from you to come up with explaining out of the scriptures. It yours to prove! I just only thought you are trying to harmonize everything or are you trying to fix something by A) Choosing one’s idea B) Privately interpret/translate scriptures or perhaps C) Err, not knowing the scriptures. Prove all things!

 

[ForestGreenCook]

You cannot discuss scriptures because you do not believe scriptures.

Gen 3:22 ¶ And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

God clearly says that Adam as a result of the fall knows good and evil. You claim otherwise.

Lu 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Jesus clearly says that evil men know how to do good things. You again claim otherwise.

Clearly you have proven yourself to be less than honest toward the scriptures.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Just because the natural knows if he breaks man's law that it is evil, does not make him able to discern spiritual laws. Luke 11:13 - Jesus is talking to some of his disciples, not to the natural man. Evil men do good things to benefit themselves, does not mean they can discern spiritual things. You are less than honest for spreading a false doctrine by limiting the power of God to lose men to hell that he wants to save.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Another case in a point of “natural man”: The Philippian Jailor, prison keeper came trembling and fear for his life and ask a question for a “natural man” should not asked to begin with, “What must I do to be saved?

Acts 16:23 And when they had laid many stripes upon them, they cast them into prison, charging the jailor to keep them safely:
24 Who, having received such a charge, thrust them into the inner prison, and made their feet fast in the stocks.
25 And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them.
26 And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed.
27 And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled.
28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.
29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.

ForrestGC, I am expecting from you to come up with explaining out of the scriptures. It yours to prove! I just only thought you are trying to harmonize everything or are you trying to fix something by A) Choosing one’s idea B) Privately interpret/translate scriptures or perhaps C) Err, not knowing the scriptures. Prove all things!

The Philippian jailer would not have ask to be saved. if he had been but a natural man. I think that I have told you before that if you do not understand to separate the eternal deliverance scriptures from the deliverance we receive here on earth, you will never be able to harmonize the scriptures. Strong's Greek meaning for salvation is "a deliverance". The jailer wanted to be delivered from his guilt by understanding that Paul was indeed preaching the truth of a powerful God and he was in fear and trembling,

 

[fredoheaven]

The Philippian jailer would not have ask to be saved. if he had been but a natural man. I think that I have told you before that if you do not understand to separate the eternal deliverance scriptures from the deliverance we receive here on earth, you will never be able to harmonize the scriptures. Strong's Greek meaning for salvation is "a deliverance". The jailer wanted to be delivered from his guilt by understanding that Paul was indeed preaching the truth of a powerful God and he was in fear and trembling,

Hoho, I think you need to define what is a natural man in the first place or if you want you can participate in the other thread that discusses this. It seems you cannot harmonize scriptures with the very scriptures I cited. I would suggest, to go over or re-read them and immerse self with his words to be able to understand it.

You cited Strong’s in your other post and in this one, while we can glean some understanding over the Greek words as used in the KJV, however, Mr. Strong is not my Final Authority. Mr Strong is good for a Concordance but not absolute in giving Greek definitions. What about going to the Bible definition, in its context, chapter, comparing scripture with scripture, parallel structure, rightly dividing, English Dictionary, etymology etc. above all PRAYER?

God bless

 

[notuptome]

Just because the natural knows if he breaks man's law that it is evil, does not make him able to discern spiritual laws. Luke 11:13 - Jesus is talking to some of his disciples, not to the natural man. Evil men do good things to benefit themselves, does not mean they can discern spiritual things. You are less than honest for spreading a false doctrine by limiting the power of God to lose men to hell that he wants to save.

You prove my point. You cannot understand the scriptures. When confronted with specific scriptures that directly contradict your position you resort to accusation and evade the truth.

I give you sound doctrine and you cannot receive it. Where does that put you?

All of heaven rejoices when a sinner comes to know Christ as his Savior.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[ForestGreenCook]

You prove my point. You cannot understand the scriptures. When confronted with specific scriptures that directly contradict your position you resort to accusation and evade the truth.

I give you sound doctrine and you cannot receive it. Where does that put you?

All of heaven rejoices when a sinner comes to know Christ as his Savior.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Yes! and he does not come to know Christ as his Savior until after God has regenerated him as explained in Eph 2, especially in verse 5. The doctrine you have given me is not sound doctrine, but a false doctrine about the work's of man that does not harmonize with the other scriptures.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Hoho, I think you need to define what is a natural man in the first place or if you want you can participate in the other thread that discusses this. It seems you cannot harmonize scriptures with the very scriptures I cited. I would suggest, to go over or re-read them and immerse self with his words to be able to understand it.

You cited Strong’s in your other post and in this one, while we can glean some understanding over the Greek words as used in the KJV, however, Mr. Strong is not my Final Authority. Mr Strong is good for a Concordance but not absolute in giving Greek definitions. What about going to the Bible definition, in its context, chapter, comparing scripture with scripture, parallel structure, rightly dividing, English Dictionary, etymology etc. above all PRAYER?

God bless

If you are content to take your own understanding (lean not to your own understanding) over a respected Greek authority, you are not honestly trying to seek the truth of the scriptures. I do believe that the scriptures prove themselves if properly translated.

 

[notuptome]

Yes! and he does not come to know Christ as his Savior until after God has regenerated him as explained in Eph 2, especially in verse 5. The doctrine you have given me is not sound doctrine, but a false doctrine about the work's of man that does not harmonize with the other scriptures.

Quickened by the Holy Spirit received when one asks Christ to forgive him of his sins and receives Christ as Savoir.

You errantly place regeneration ahead of salvation and demonstrate a faulty soteriology.

Confess Christ as Savior and be born again.

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

As long as you endeavor to avoid your personal responsibility to ask Christ to forgive you of your personal sins you will remain lost and without hope.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Quickened by the Holy Spirit received when one asks Christ to forgive him of his sins and receives Christ as Savoir.

You errantly place regeneration ahead of salvation and demonstrate a faulty soteriology.

Confess Christ as Savior and be born again.

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

As long as you endeavor to avoid your personal responsibility to ask Christ to forgive you of your personal sins you will remain lost and without hope.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

It is evident that you do not understand what "dead in sins" means. DEAD is translated "a corps to spiritual things". A corps cannot confess with their mouth, and believe in his heart about spiritual things. You also do not understand "by grace ye are saved". Jesus said in Matt 16:24 - If any man will come after me, let him DENY himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. Your problem is that you are not denying yourself, in that, you are taking credit of yourself by making it a requirement for man to confess, repent, accept, believe etc. in order to let God save him eternally. Anytime you put a requirement of man, it would not be by GRACE. Thou shalt be saved (delivered) in Rom 10:9 has reference to a timely deliverance, not an eternal deliverance.